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Well i should have been more clear, i meant *your liberalism, more as a blanket statement towards leftist liberals rather then directly at you* But i still disagree with you. Yes all the fast food places do hire illegals, they use fake ids and social security numbers, they can even be sued if they don't take peoples word on there legal status for discrimination. At the same time they can be penalized for hiring illegals. I think small businesses are more vunerable because they don't have big political allies like MC Donalds. Yes, if we forced out all of the illegals overnight or within a very short period that could be armageddon but over a period of months, those low-level positions WOULD fill up and they would fill up FAST!!!! Maby we disagree on this.... You mention you didn't graduate but you have something going for yourself. That is very common , that is what makes this country great. The flexibility and oppertunies that are present for us all to achieve our dreams.Or even create our own oppertunities!!! However every day/week/month/year/decade oppertunities are shrinking, this is not the open country of oppertunities it was, 10,20 or even 50 years ago.......... those low-level jobs would create a nice cusion for those people falling through the cracks. I learn something new each day. The service jobs would fill up fast, but the construction jobs, in my opinion would take much more consideration. I know that since the laws that just passed in Alabama, I have several relatives there desperate for a roofer and there are none to be found. Imagine that. Ha! If our government wants to use a revolving door in the future, that's fine with me...but they have to maintain the means to open and close that door, which I don’t think is entirely possible. |
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As to an earlier post on here, none of the spanish folks who work for Micky Ds or any of the fast food chains are illegals anyway. They verify before hiring. Just because they are spanish speaking doesn't make them illegal. *
No but many are illegal, i guess all of those mexican food-servers and workers in the back, who don't speak a word of english, have gone through the whole process to come and live here legally? Fake Documentation and employers turning a blind eye doesn't exist? ARE YOU KIDDING??????????????????? |
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Edited by
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I haven't seen racism or hatered towards those unfortunate people who just want a chance at a decent life. Myself included, how swallow to put out the race card and to make such a statement and excuse people of being haters. I have had more friends of minority background then i have of other *white* folks so please, don't bark up that tree.
I do not stand for nazi style roundups either. like i posted earlier, once they are here, except for the felons, they are here, I do agree deportation doesn't work for the most part. This is why i am a centrist. The liberal cries of political correctness are just as bad as the right wingers.... |
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This topic sounds more like a drug problem than an immigration probleme to me. Maybe the real issue is that Amrericans feel the immagrants are taking all the drug lord jobs in this country. I have a little different viewpoint on illegal immigration. I’m not as upset with the immigrants as I am with our government for starting the migration to begin with…inadvertently as it may have been; they invited this. The following statement is not my opinion…it's historical fact. As education became easier to attain in America (now 4 times the percentage of kids attend college than in our grandparents day) and as America’s service industry grew to replace our departing manufacturing industry, our government adopted a revolving door policy to supply the labor needed to harvest and build what our own workforce was not able or willing to accomplish. Now this is my opinion…based on common sense and rudimentary economics. Had our government not been so quick to supplement our labor needs, the lack of produce alone would have driven up the price of living, naturally making it harder for some to pursue college…thus filling our labor pool once again, and reducing the price of produce. There would have been no necessary job openings and thus no need for revolving door immigrant labor…which started this out of control ball a-rolling in the first place. The natural balance of a free market economy was not allowed to go unmolested. I contend that we have over-educated ourselves right out of a labor workforce. Unless they start handing out tool belts with diplomas, today’s generation of graduating youths are not likely to take up the jobs that immigrants now hold in the labor industries. While I’m sure there are still a percentage of Americans who are hardy and willing enough to take over those jobs, a good percentage of these would not be willing to do so at the current pay rates. As a whole those are not the kind of workers we produce in this country anymore…they are a dying breed. I don't see where we could possibly produce in this country…at this time…the amount of workers that would be needed to fill necessary labor jobs if every illegal were sent packing all at once. It is my belief that to remedy this problem effectively and without shocking the economy (worse than it’s been) would take a calculated program enforced over a substantial period of time. I’m sure this is another topic altogether, but easy access loans that allow us to educate such a high percentage of our youths contribute greatly to our debtor status. That’s what I believe. Take it or leave it…but at least consider it first. Good post. Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Historically, the non-college graduates takes up other jobs such as starting businesses, skilled labor such as carpenters, electricians, heavy equipment operators, plumbing, etc. In the south, many of these skilled jobs are rapidly being taken by illegal workers. The government estimates that 1/7th of all construction jobs are held by illegals but that percentage is much higher in Texas and other southern states. The fact is, the laws were not enforced for years in any meaningful way so aliens took advantage. Companies in the US also took advantage. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. In addition, many former illegal aliens have started their own sub-contractor and contractor companies which hire illegals almost exclusively. The new half trillion dollar jobs bill currently being considered has an exclusion of illegals in the House version but no exclusion of illegals in the Senate version which would result in hundreds of thousands of illegals getting hired if the Senate bill passed. Lol I know that to be true about illegals having contracting companies. My dad had his back patio extended and the people that did the cementing had to bring someone to translate spanish to english when he came out to bid. XD That doesn't mean anyone was illegal though. LOL! Yeah...........no comment So a mexican decent worker who only speaks Spanish in a Gulf Coast state doing manual labor is not illegal. Maybe there is a tiny percentage that is true. I doubt he was legal though. Very much so. |
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As to an earlier post on here, none of the spanish folks who work for Micky Ds or any of the fast food chains are illegals anyway. They verify before hiring. Just because they are spanish speaking doesn't make them illegal. * No but many are illegal, i guess all of those mexican food-servers and workers in the back, who don't speak a word of english, have gone through the whole process to come and live here legally? Fake Documentation and employers turning a blind eye doesn't exist? ARE YOU KIDDING??????????????????? Yea again there are so many forms of legal work visas and such that do not require english like becoming a citizen does that they are almost all legal. You see what you want to see and not reality. |
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This topic sounds more like a drug problem than an immigration probleme to me. Maybe the real issue is that Amrericans feel the immagrants are taking all the drug lord jobs in this country. I have a little different viewpoint on illegal immigration. I’m not as upset with the immigrants as I am with our government for starting the migration to begin with…inadvertently as it may have been; they invited this. The following statement is not my opinion…it's historical fact. As education became easier to attain in America (now 4 times the percentage of kids attend college than in our grandparents day) and as America’s service industry grew to replace our departing manufacturing industry, our government adopted a revolving door policy to supply the labor needed to harvest and build what our own workforce was not able or willing to accomplish. Now this is my opinion…based on common sense and rudimentary economics. Had our government not been so quick to supplement our labor needs, the lack of produce alone would have driven up the price of living, naturally making it harder for some to pursue college…thus filling our labor pool once again, and reducing the price of produce. There would have been no necessary job openings and thus no need for revolving door immigrant labor…which started this out of control ball a-rolling in the first place. The natural balance of a free market economy was not allowed to go unmolested. I contend that we have over-educated ourselves right out of a labor workforce. Unless they start handing out tool belts with diplomas, today’s generation of graduating youths are not likely to take up the jobs that immigrants now hold in the labor industries. While I’m sure there are still a percentage of Americans who are hardy and willing enough to take over those jobs, a good percentage of these would not be willing to do so at the current pay rates. As a whole those are not the kind of workers we produce in this country anymore…they are a dying breed. I don't see where we could possibly produce in this country…at this time…the amount of workers that would be needed to fill necessary labor jobs if every illegal were sent packing all at once. It is my belief that to remedy this problem effectively and without shocking the economy (worse than it’s been) would take a calculated program enforced over a substantial period of time. I’m sure this is another topic altogether, but easy access loans that allow us to educate such a high percentage of our youths contribute greatly to our debtor status. That’s what I believe. Take it or leave it…but at least consider it first. Good post. Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Historically, the non-college graduates takes up other jobs such as starting businesses, skilled labor such as carpenters, electricians, heavy equipment operators, plumbing, etc. In the south, many of these skilled jobs are rapidly being taken by illegal workers. The government estimates that 1/7th of all construction jobs are held by illegals but that percentage is much higher in Texas and other southern states. The fact is, the laws were not enforced for years in any meaningful way so aliens took advantage. Companies in the US also took advantage. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. In addition, many former illegal aliens have started their own sub-contractor and contractor companies which hire illegals almost exclusively. The new half trillion dollar jobs bill currently being considered has an exclusion of illegals in the House version but no exclusion of illegals in the Senate version which would result in hundreds of thousands of illegals getting hired if the Senate bill passed. Lol I know that to be true about illegals having contracting companies. My dad had his back patio extended and the people that did the cementing had to bring someone to translate spanish to english when he came out to bid. XD That doesn't mean anyone was illegal though. LOL! Yeah...........no comment So a mexican decent worker who only speaks Spanish in a Gulf Coast state doing manual labor is not illegal. Maybe there is a tiny percentage that is true. I doubt he was legal though. Very much so. Again there are so many different kinds of work visas and such yea they come here legally to work and do not have to learn english. You see what you want to see. |
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Quite to the contrary, you see what YOU want to see...
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http://immigration.laws.com/immigration-laws/basic-immigration-law This is a good site for information on immigration and the different types of immigrants we have. I do not think it covers the asylee and refugee catagories though. We do take in both from all over the world. Wish I lived where everything was by the book and in black and white. Must be easy in there. |
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This topic sounds more like a drug problem than an immigration probleme to me. Maybe the real issue is that Amrericans feel the immagrants are taking all the drug lord jobs in this country. I have a little different viewpoint on illegal immigration. I’m not as upset with the immigrants as I am with our government for starting the migration to begin with…inadvertently as it may have been; they invited this. The following statement is not my opinion…it's historical fact. As education became easier to attain in America (now 4 times the percentage of kids attend college than in our grandparents day) and as America’s service industry grew to replace our departing manufacturing industry, our government adopted a revolving door policy to supply the labor needed to harvest and build what our own workforce was not able or willing to accomplish. Now this is my opinion…based on common sense and rudimentary economics. Had our government not been so quick to supplement our labor needs, the lack of produce alone would have driven up the price of living, naturally making it harder for some to pursue college…thus filling our labor pool once again, and reducing the price of produce. There would have been no necessary job openings and thus no need for revolving door immigrant labor…which started this out of control ball a-rolling in the first place. The natural balance of a free market economy was not allowed to go unmolested. I contend that we have over-educated ourselves right out of a labor workforce. Unless they start handing out tool belts with diplomas, today’s generation of graduating youths are not likely to take up the jobs that immigrants now hold in the labor industries. While I’m sure there are still a percentage of Americans who are hardy and willing enough to take over those jobs, a good percentage of these would not be willing to do so at the current pay rates. As a whole those are not the kind of workers we produce in this country anymore…they are a dying breed. I don't see where we could possibly produce in this country…at this time…the amount of workers that would be needed to fill necessary labor jobs if every illegal were sent packing all at once. It is my belief that to remedy this problem effectively and without shocking the economy (worse than it’s been) would take a calculated program enforced over a substantial period of time. I’m sure this is another topic altogether, but easy access loans that allow us to educate such a high percentage of our youths contribute greatly to our debtor status. That’s what I believe. Take it or leave it…but at least consider it first. Good post. Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Historically, the non-college graduates takes up other jobs such as starting businesses, skilled labor such as carpenters, electricians, heavy equipment operators, plumbing, etc. In the south, many of these skilled jobs are rapidly being taken by illegal workers. The government estimates that 1/7th of all construction jobs are held by illegals but that percentage is much higher in Texas and other southern states. The fact is, the laws were not enforced for years in any meaningful way so aliens took advantage. Companies in the US also took advantage. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. In addition, many former illegal aliens have started their own sub-contractor and contractor companies which hire illegals almost exclusively. The new half trillion dollar jobs bill currently being considered has an exclusion of illegals in the House version but no exclusion of illegals in the Senate version which would result in hundreds of thousands of illegals getting hired if the Senate bill passed. Lol I know that to be true about illegals having contracting companies. My dad had his back patio extended and the people that did the cementing had to bring someone to translate spanish to english when he came out to bid. XD That doesn't mean anyone was illegal though. If you had any experience with these matters you would know that these sub-contractors are a primary job source of illegals. |
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Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Your 27% counts all US citizens, not just the workforce. (It’s like stating that 20% of our population poops their pants without mentioning that 18% are infants.) So take baby boomers and older out of that equation for a more realistic percentage of our educated workforce today. I’m not just talking about college degrees, but education in general. We’ve have an 88% high school graduation rate since 2005 in this country and 63% of students go straight to college from there. It’s somewhere around 53% of those entering college that graduate with a bachelors degree or higher and that does not factor in the students who chose associate programs, spent 3 years in college and opted out before their degrees were attained or those who went straight into the workforce, started businesses and attended college courses on a needed basis later in life. We are highly educated as a whole in this country. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. I also worked my way through, but these kids today have an abundance of assistance and easy loan access. When my niece's husband left her with a baby, she made the decision to go back to school to provide a better life for her child. I started giving her a pep talk about helping her get through it, she laughed at me and said that even her childcare expenses were covered and at age 20 she was able to get a low interest loan to pay for the portion the grant didn't cover, including housing allowances and books. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. I don't know about a lot of other construction jobs, but I grew up in the roofing industry and know for a fact that it's hard to find a white roofer out there, and it's harder still to find a whole white crew. The last few white roofers that worked for my family took no pride in their work, were undependable and disrespectful to the homeowners and my family. They simply did not seem to want to do the job. In fact I've never met a white roofer with a good attitude about his job or who took any pride in doing it well. That's just my own personal experience in one construction trade, but there it is. I'm not denying that there are those who want to work the labor jobs that can't find one due to illegals...I'm simply saying that there are not enough of them to fill all of labor jobs that keep this economy pumping. Your numbers are incorrect. The 27% college grads are for adults over the age of 25 from the US census. I see many roofers. Most are owned/supervised by whites with mostly Hispanic labor but many are all Hispanic. So far, about half of the small repair crews are white and half are Hispanic. The traditional black roofer seems to all but disappeared. Here is an educational chart that is a few years old. 
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This topic sounds more like a drug problem than an immigration probleme to me. Maybe the real issue is that Amrericans feel the immagrants are taking all the drug lord jobs in this country. I have a little different viewpoint on illegal immigration. I’m not as upset with the immigrants as I am with our government for starting the migration to begin with…inadvertently as it may have been; they invited this. The following statement is not my opinion…it's historical fact. As education became easier to attain in America (now 4 times the percentage of kids attend college than in our grandparents day) and as America’s service industry grew to replace our departing manufacturing industry, our government adopted a revolving door policy to supply the labor needed to harvest and build what our own workforce was not able or willing to accomplish. Now this is my opinion…based on common sense and rudimentary economics. Had our government not been so quick to supplement our labor needs, the lack of produce alone would have driven up the price of living, naturally making it harder for some to pursue college…thus filling our labor pool once again, and reducing the price of produce. There would have been no necessary job openings and thus no need for revolving door immigrant labor…which started this out of control ball a-rolling in the first place. The natural balance of a free market economy was not allowed to go unmolested. I contend that we have over-educated ourselves right out of a labor workforce. Unless they start handing out tool belts with diplomas, today’s generation of graduating youths are not likely to take up the jobs that immigrants now hold in the labor industries. While I’m sure there are still a percentage of Americans who are hardy and willing enough to take over those jobs, a good percentage of these would not be willing to do so at the current pay rates. As a whole those are not the kind of workers we produce in this country anymore…they are a dying breed. I don't see where we could possibly produce in this country…at this time…the amount of workers that would be needed to fill necessary labor jobs if every illegal were sent packing all at once. It is my belief that to remedy this problem effectively and without shocking the economy (worse than it’s been) would take a calculated program enforced over a substantial period of time. I’m sure this is another topic altogether, but easy access loans that allow us to educate such a high percentage of our youths contribute greatly to our debtor status. That’s what I believe. Take it or leave it…but at least consider it first. Good post. Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Historically, the non-college graduates takes up other jobs such as starting businesses, skilled labor such as carpenters, electricians, heavy equipment operators, plumbing, etc. In the south, many of these skilled jobs are rapidly being taken by illegal workers. The government estimates that 1/7th of all construction jobs are held by illegals but that percentage is much higher in Texas and other southern states. The fact is, the laws were not enforced for years in any meaningful way so aliens took advantage. Companies in the US also took advantage. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. In addition, many former illegal aliens have started their own sub-contractor and contractor companies which hire illegals almost exclusively. The new half trillion dollar jobs bill currently being considered has an exclusion of illegals in the House version but no exclusion of illegals in the Senate version which would result in hundreds of thousands of illegals getting hired if the Senate bill passed. Lol I know that to be true about illegals having contracting companies. My dad had his back patio extended and the people that did the cementing had to bring someone to translate spanish to english when he came out to bid. XD That doesn't mean anyone was illegal though. LOL! Yeah...........no comment So a mexican decent worker who only speaks Spanish in a Gulf Coast state doing manual labor is not illegal. Maybe there is a tiny percentage that is true. I doubt he was legal though. Very much so. Again there are so many different kinds of work visas and such yea they come here legally to work and do not have to learn english. You see what you want to see. So why don't these illegals have a visa in the first place? Hmmmmmmmmm, Maybe because they are criminals in their own countries in the first place? They are scared? Sell that elsewhere. There is FAR too much amnesty to believe that! Our system needs a host of reforms because we need migrant workers! I don't see much of the American Ghetto trash lining up to take on work picking strawberries or melons. There are indeed places Illegals DO soak up work, Construction, manufacturing, and labor oriented jobs. Now with all these legal migrants crying foul over the issue you would nay say them as well? pish posh! pish posh I say! |
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But back to the original topic which is crimes committed by illegal aliens. The fifty two percent number is the amount of prosecutions the federal court system has filed in total against illegals committing crimes in America ... NOT including deportations for being here illegally.
Put another way, Illegals are committing over half the federal crimes committed in America. The official number of 11 million illegals came from the 2000 census; which was thought to be grossly under counted. The actual number is anybody's guess but appears to be closer to thirty million and many of those are criminals. If the actual number was thirty million, the actual rate of crimes committed would be FIVE times the rate of the rest of the population. If the actual number were closer to ten million the crime rate for illegals would be FIFTEEN TIMES THE RATE OF THE REST OF THE POPULATION. Obviously, the number of illegals in the US is far, far, far higher than the government wants to admit and they are entering at the rate of over a million a year. |
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Yes illegal immigration also has a negative impact on our criminal justice system and our safety. That cost alot of money also.
I say to anybody who supports illegal immigration, if you care so much about those poor people, why don't you personally, house, feed and educate them. What? No? You can't do that? You won't do that? Huh? Yea just what i thought.... Lets separate the good ones from the bad ones and deal with the bad ones.... |
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The larger issue at hand is first they are here illegally and account for over HALF of the violent crimes committed here! My brother was hit by an attempted hit and run illegal and his motorcycle was destroyed. He was never compensated for his loss. That is just one personal issue of mine since it happened to a family member. One of my room mates managed to be at home at the right time when three illegal aliens kicked in our back window and tried to rob our house. Two managed to run, one didn't. And worst is my room mate had to go to court for get this, "Not letting the third one escape." And the guy tried to sue him for getting kissed with a baseball bat.
I despise anyone who plays this whole sympathy for illegal aliens here. First of all by GOVERNMENT STATISTICS HALF THE CRIME COMMITTED IN OUR COUNTRY IS BY FOREIGN CAREER CRIMINALS! Granted that it may not represent half of illegal immigrants but the fact is %100 OF THEM ARE BREAKING THE LAW ANYWAYS! THAT MEANS %100 ARE CRIMINALS IN THE FIRST PLACE! YOUR SUPPORT FOR THEM LEGALLY MAKES YOU AN ACCOMPLICE! And even if you are a lawyer try to argue that support for an illegal action doesn't make you an accomplice. BRING IT!!!!  Yes I am calling you out if you support illegal immigration and dare to think you are not an accomplice to all the crime going on here thanks to them!
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Yes illegal immigration also has a negative impact on our criminal justice system and our safety. That cost alot of money also. I say to anybody who supports illegal immigration, if you care so much about those poor people, why don't you personally, house, feed and educate them. What? No? You can't do that? You won't do that? Huh? Yea just what i thought.... Lets separate the good ones from the bad ones and deal with the bad ones.... So few words, SO MUCH WISDOM! Why is it people have such a hard time with simple things like concepts? Get legal or get tossed is what we should be saying. |
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Ironically, the feds have no problem searching, frisking, interrogating, etc., legal citizens just trying to catch a plane but political correctness prevents them from doing the same search to catch a person who has entered this country illegally and may be a terrorist, or as the statistics show, a career criminal.
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Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Your 27% counts all US citizens, not just the workforce. (It’s like stating that 20% of our population poops their pants without mentioning that 18% are infants.) So take baby boomers and older out of that equation for a more realistic percentage of our educated workforce today. I’m not just talking about college degrees, but education in general. We’ve have an 88% high school graduation rate since 2005 in this country and 63% of students go straight to college from there. It’s somewhere around 53% of those entering college that graduate with a bachelors degree or higher and that does not factor in the students who chose associate programs, spent 3 years in college and opted out before their degrees were attained or those who went straight into the workforce, started businesses and attended college courses on a needed basis later in life. We are highly educated as a whole in this country. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. I also worked my way through, but these kids today have an abundance of assistance and easy loan access. When my niece's husband left her with a baby, she made the decision to go back to school to provide a better life for her child. I started giving her a pep talk about helping her get through it, she laughed at me and said that even her childcare expenses were covered and at age 20 she was able to get a low interest loan to pay for the portion the grant didn't cover, including housing allowances and books. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. I don't know about a lot of other construction jobs, but I grew up in the roofing industry and know for a fact that it's hard to find a white roofer out there, and it's harder still to find a whole white crew. The last few white roofers that worked for my family took no pride in their work, were undependable and disrespectful to the homeowners and my family. They simply did not seem to want to do the job. In fact I've never met a white roofer with a good attitude about his job or who took any pride in doing it well. That's just my own personal experience in one construction trade, but there it is. I'm not denying that there are those who want to work the labor jobs that can't find one due to illegals...I'm simply saying that there are not enough of them to fill all of labor jobs that keep this economy pumping. Your numbers are incorrect. The 27% college grads are for adults over the age of 25 from the US census. I see many roofers. Most are owned/supervised by whites with mostly Hispanic labor but many are all Hispanic. So far, about half of the small repair crews are white and half are Hispanic. The traditional black roofer seems to all but disappeared. Here is an educational chart that is a few years old. Let’s get this out of the way…I believe you! 27% of the US population were college grads...almost a decade ago. There, I said it...now that I am correct... That does not change the fact that this is not the percentage of the US workforce…even for 2003, because the Baby Boomers and older are (for the most part) no longer in the US workforce. Because a smaller percent of this age group were college grads, including them dilutes the percentage of the US workforce that we were talking about. |
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Edited by
Abby678
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I imagine the drug smugglers are just a tad more illegal than the immigrants who come here to pick tomatoes…something, by the way, which is not being accomplished in Alabama this year, despite their 10% unemployment rate. Maybe someone could explain this to me.
I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but I’d bet my horse that there are more violent crimes committed in the US by Mexicans with drug affiliations, than by hard working Mexicans. This in no way excuses any of them from being here illegally, but they pose a different issue than those of violent crimes...an issue that as I've stated before, is one that will take a comprehensive plan and time to remedy. There are obviously no economists here, as not too many of you seem the least bit concerned about what a forced mass exodus would do to our economy...maybe it will take $5 tomatoes this winter to make anyone stop to consider that. |
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Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Your 27% counts all US citizens, not just the workforce. (It’s like stating that 20% of our population poops their pants without mentioning that 18% are infants.) So take baby boomers and older out of that equation for a more realistic percentage of our educated workforce today. I’m not just talking about college degrees, but education in general. We’ve have an 88% high school graduation rate since 2005 in this country and 63% of students go straight to college from there. It’s somewhere around 53% of those entering college that graduate with a bachelors degree or higher and that does not factor in the students who chose associate programs, spent 3 years in college and opted out before their degrees were attained or those who went straight into the workforce, started businesses and attended college courses on a needed basis later in life. We are highly educated as a whole in this country. In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens. I also worked my way through, but these kids today have an abundance of assistance and easy loan access. When my niece's husband left her with a baby, she made the decision to go back to school to provide a better life for her child. I started giving her a pep talk about helping her get through it, she laughed at me and said that even her childcare expenses were covered and at age 20 she was able to get a low interest loan to pay for the portion the grant didn't cover, including housing allowances and books. The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could. I don't know about a lot of other construction jobs, but I grew up in the roofing industry and know for a fact that it's hard to find a white roofer out there, and it's harder still to find a whole white crew. The last few white roofers that worked for my family took no pride in their work, were undependable and disrespectful to the homeowners and my family. They simply did not seem to want to do the job. In fact I've never met a white roofer with a good attitude about his job or who took any pride in doing it well. That's just my own personal experience in one construction trade, but there it is. I'm not denying that there are those who want to work the labor jobs that can't find one due to illegals...I'm simply saying that there are not enough of them to fill all of labor jobs that keep this economy pumping. Your numbers are incorrect. The 27% college grads are for adults over the age of 25 from the US census. I see many roofers. Most are owned/supervised by whites with mostly Hispanic labor but many are all Hispanic. So far, about half of the small repair crews are white and half are Hispanic. The traditional black roofer seems to all but disappeared. Here is an educational chart that is a few years old. Let’s get this out of the way…I believe you! 27% of the US population were college grads...almost a decade ago. There, I said it...now that I am correct... That does not change the fact that this is not the percentage of the US workforce…even for 2003, because the Baby Boomers and older are (for the most part) no longer in the US workforce. Because a smaller percent of this age group were college grads, including them dilutes the percentage of the US workforce that we were talking about. Your numbers are flawed. I took the time to check the 2010 census to see what the change has been since 2003, the date of the chart I posted. Total bachelor's degrees were 19.4% of adults aged over 25. If you include advanced degrees it looks like the increase over the past ten years is between 2 and 3%. I could have done a weighted average of everyone between 25 and 65 but the numbers wouldn't have changed much. Your statement about including all of the population, including infants was false and you are distorting the facts again by indicating that the past ten years has led to a huge increase in college grads, which is not true. On what are you basing your numbers? |
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massagetrade
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There are obviously no economists here, as not too many of you seem the least bit concerned about what a forced mass exodus would do to our economy...maybe it will take $5 tomatoes this winter to make anyone stop to consider that. I see this as a complex issue and I'm on some particular 'side' or other, but I question your implication. What exactly are you saying? In my view, if someone wants to implement a solution to a perceived problem, noting one possible undesirable consequence doesn't invalidate the perception of a problem, nor the proposed solution. If the cost of tomatoes starts to go up, there are many ways that the system will adjust in response. |
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