You have any documentation on this?

This topic sounds more like a drug problem than an immigration probleme to me. Maybe the real issue is that Amrericans feel the immagrants are taking all the drug lord jobs in this country.

I have a little different viewpoint on illegal immigration. I’m not as upset with the immigrants as I am with our government for starting the migration to begin with…inadvertently as it may have been; they invited this.

The following statement is not my opinion…it's historical fact.

As education became easier to attain in America (now 4 times the percentage of kids attend college than in our grandparents day) and as America’s service industry grew to replace our departing manufacturing industry, our government adopted a revolving door policy to supply the labor needed to harvest and build what our own workforce was not able or willing to accomplish.

Now this is my opinion…based on common sense and rudimentary economics.

Had our government not been so quick to supplement our labor needs, the lack of produce alone would have driven up the price of living, naturally making it harder for some to pursue college…thus filling our labor pool once again, and reducing the price of produce. There would have been no necessary job openings and thus no need for revolving door immigrant labor…which started this out of control ball a-rolling in the first place. The natural balance of a free market economy was not allowed to go unmolested.

I contend that we have over-educated ourselves right out of a labor workforce. Unless they start handing out tool belts with diplomas, today’s generation of graduating youths are not likely to take up the jobs that immigrants now hold in the labor industries. While I’m sure there are still a percentage of Americans who are hardy and willing enough to take over those jobs, a good percentage of these would not be willing to do so at the current pay rates. As a whole those are not the kind of workers we produce in this country anymore…they are a dying breed. I don't see where we could possibly produce in this country…at this time…the amount of workers that would be needed to fill necessary labor jobs if every illegal were sent packing all at once.

It is my belief that to remedy this problem effectively and without shocking the economy (worse than it’s been) would take a calculated program enforced over a substantial period of time.

I’m sure this is another topic altogether, but easy access loans that allow us to educate such a high percentage of our youths contribute greatly to our debtor status.

That’s what I believe. Take it or leave it…but at least consider it first.

Good post. Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college. Historically, the non-college graduates takes up other jobs such as starting businesses, skilled labor such as carpenters, electricians, heavy equipment operators, plumbing, etc. In the south, many of these skilled jobs are rapidly being taken by illegal workers. The government estimates that 1/7th of all construction jobs are held by illegals but that percentage is much higher in Texas and other southern states.

The fact is, the laws were not enforced for years in any meaningful way so aliens took advantage. Companies in the US also took advantage.

In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens.

The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could.

In addition, many former illegal aliens have started their own sub-contractor and contractor companies which hire illegals almost exclusively.

The new half trillion dollar jobs bill currently being considered has an exclusion of illegals in the House version but no exclusion of illegals in the Senate version which would result in hundreds of thousands of illegals getting hired if the Senate bill passed.

Where I think you are in error is that only 27% of Americans have graduated college.

In order to get through college, many students took construction jobs to pay their way (like me). Most of those jobs are now unavailable due to the supply of aliens.

The one true shortage of workers that others would not do is the picking of produce. This situation has not been true in construction since the pay is better. The aliens moved to the better jobs because they could.

This topic sounds more like a drug problem than an immigration probleme to me. Maybe the real issue is that Amrericans feel the immagrants are taking all the drug lord jobs in this country.

I have a little different viewpoint on illegal immigration. I’m not as upset with the immigrants as I am with our government for starting the migration to begin with…inadvertently as it may have been; they invited this.

The following statement is not my opinion…it's historical fact.

As education became easier to attain in America (now 4 times the percentage of kids attend college than in our grandparents day) and as America’s service industry grew to replace our departing manufacturing industry, our government adopted a revolving door policy to supply the labor needed to harvest and build what our own workforce was not able or willing to accomplish.

Now this is my opinion…based on common sense and rudimentary economics.

Had our government not been so quick to supplement our labor needs, the lack of produce alone would have driven up the price of living, naturally making it harder for some to pursue college…thus filling our labor pool once again, and reducing the price of produce. There would have been no necessary job openings and thus no need for revolving door immigrant labor…which started this out of control ball a-rolling in the first place. The natural balance of a free market economy was not allowed to go unmolested.

I contend that we have over-educated ourselves right out of a labor workforce. Unless they start handing out tool belts with diplomas, today’s generation of graduating youths are not likely to take up the jobs that immigrants now hold in the labor industries. While I’m sure there are still a percentage of Americans who are hardy and willing enough to take over those jobs, a good percentage of these would not be willing to do so at the current pay rates. As a whole those are not the kind of workers we produce in this country anymore…they are a dying breed. I don't see where we could possibly produce in this country…at this time…the amount of workers that would be needed to fill necessary labor jobs if every illegal were sent packing all at once.

It is my belief that to remedy this problem effectively and without shocking the economy (worse than it’s been) would take a calculated program enforced over a substantial period of time.

I’m sure this is another topic altogether, but easy access loans that allow us to educate such a high percentage of our youths contribute greatly to our debtor status.

That’s what I believe. Take it or leave it…but at least consider it first.

Lol I know that to be true about illegals having contracting companies. My dad had his back patio extended and the people that did the cementing had to bring someone to translate spanish to english when he came out to bid. XD

There are plenty of people like myself who are in the middle of the road in regards to there education. Current student /non-graduate.

There is some truth in what you say but the fact remains many of us could use those jobs, even if only on a temporary basis to save up some money.

I know that plenty of high schoolers could use pt jobs, especially in poor neighborhoods, some college students as well. Ok Not many of us are going to work at MC donalds for <10 an hour. But for the people who just lost there jobs, etc there always was a job, any kind of job to fall back on, even a crap job. Better then being homeless!!!!

So if you want to defend illegal immigration go ahead, just take note you are stabbing your fellow americans in the back for your liberalism.

There are plenty of people like myself who are in the middle of the road in regards to there education. Current student /non-graduate.

There is some truth in what you say but the fact remains many of us could use those jobs, even if only on a temporary basis to save up some money.

I know that plenty of high schoolers could use pt jobs, especially in poor neighborhoods, some college students as well. Ok Not many of us are going to work at MC donalds for <10 an hour. But for the people who just lost there jobs, etc there always was a job, any kind of job to fall back on, even a crap job. Better then being homeless!!!!

So if you want to defend illegal immigration go ahead, just take note you are stabbing your fellow americans in the back for your liberalism.

That doesn't mean anyone was illegal though.

LOL! Yeah...........no comment

Considered.

Now the issues I have with this. There are educated people who choose to do labor work, getting more reward from it so they say. Maybe they are the hands on people.

The place for labor jobs will always be.

Now consider this when people move to an area they bring with them human need, which generates jobs in the area. The grocers, the landlords, the public service, the trash removal, the sales taxes go up, etc... So immigration is not the terrible thing that it is portrayed to be. Especially since it is a lie that illegals can get foodstamps or welfare unless they are talking about California which uses their own state taxes to pay for help to the illegals but that is the only state that does that.

My issue with illegal immigration is the abuse of the humans that are too scared to call the police or labor board for help when abuse happens. The fact that the companies who hire them are getting by without proper wages, paying proper taxes, health benefits and insurance like workmens comp.

As to an earlier post on here, none of the spanish folks who work for Micky Ds or any of the fast food chains are illegals anyway. They verify before hiring. Just because they are spanish speaking doesn't make them illegal.