9/26/11 Heckler calls Obama the Antichrist

The heckler was booed by the crowd when he began his rant with "The Christian God is the only and only true living God. The creator of heaven and the universe."

"Jesus Christ is God! Jesus Christ is God! Jesus Christ is God! Jesus Christ is the son of God!" the man continued.

"You're the antichrist!" the man said. The crowd responded with an enthusiastic cheer of "four more years" afterward.

"First of all, I agree Jesus Christ is the Lord. I believe in that," Obama said to tepid applause.

Story & Video:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/26/heckler_calls_obama_the_antichrist_at_la_fundraiser.html

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71QNtz8MA_Y

I have heard that one before. Great response from President Obama though. IM not sure how people throw God or Jesus into politics...seems unreal to me...

Since Obama agreed that Jesus Christ is the Lord he can't very well be the AntiChrist. I think Barrack has a great sense of humor. We can only imagine the pressure that he is under. I would think that hearing 'four more years' would be a great stress reliever for him. I mean one thinks about politics and religion being two things a lot of people have been told not to talk about since they are both controversial one can tell that he hasn't shied away from either one of them. Since politics makes strange bedfellows I would love to hear his wife's opinion on that one.

Not saying that President Obama is the Anti-Christ, but ...


DEMONS BELIEVE AND TREMBLE


James 2:19-26

19, Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20, But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21, Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22, Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23, And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God,
and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24, Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25, Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers,
and had sent them out another way?

26, For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

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Does Our president mock the bible?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sy9kMxOEVs&feature=player_detailpage

I think the narrator mocks it actually.

How does he Know what Jeremiah Wright spoke on

and How does he purport to know what Jesus would say about how we are dealing with 'terrorists'?

nope, I didnt hear OBAMA mock the bible, I Heard him ask a pretty common sense question,,,,

I've heard enough about Pastor Wright's sermons

The bible says...

2Timothy 2:15

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed,
rightly dividing the word of truth."

I am convinced by that speech...
the Senator was picking out topics that don't apply to New Testament believers...

Stoning sinners was an old Testament practice.
Which is obviously not being practiced by Jew nor Christians today.
Careful study of the bible will prove that it was not suggested by Christ nor the apostles.

Even so,
it is no more gruesome than lethal injection or the electric chair...or assasination (as with Osama Bin Ladin)
the death penalty that we allow today...


"You folks haven't been reading your bibles..." the Senator said.

"Some have sir", I must reply.


Narrator was telling like it was.

Jesus is no whimp...

He loved and cherished the Scriptures and was very much familiar with the Book of Ecclesiastes
which declares...


Ecclesiastes 3:1-8

"1, To every thing there is a season,
and a time to every purpose under the heaven:
2, A time to be born, and a time to die;
a time to plant,
and a time to pluck up that which is planted;
3, A time to kill, and a time to heal;
a time to break down, and a time to build up;
4, A time to weep, and a time to laugh;
a time to mourn, and a time to dance;
5, A time to cast away stones,
and a time to gather stones together;
a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing;
6, A time to get, and a time to lose;
a time to keep, and a time to cast away;
7, A time to rend, and a time to sew;
a time to keep silence, and a time to speak;
8, A time to love, and a time to hate;
a time of war, and a time of peace.

Well I never heard the president call Jesus a wimp.


OBAMA was telling it like it is as well. Many claim or imply we should be a 'christian' nation without even agreeing to what christianity is. Many read that same bible and take different parts different ways. So which 'christianity' would americans (many whom ARENT Really reading anything but bits and pieces of the bible) want to commit to?

I think it is a statement about hypocrisy. Americans often demand people be held to strict accounting until it comes to them and they they wish to give reasons or excuses why it shouldnt apply. Many politicians are activly adulterous,, which is not christian , certainly.

Our divorce rates are awful, which is also not extremely christian but is extremely 'free'. OUr concept of 'freedom' conflicts in many ways with what is in the Bible,, so it would be an overreaching agenda to try to sell american as a christian nation on its actions and its culture. IT would likewise be overreaching to try to enforce laws by 'christian' standards and would fly in the face of the campaign we have had for centuries as the 'home of the FREE' or the idea that government will not ESTABLISH a religion.

Neither have I heard the president call Jesus a wimp.
But peace, love, and tolerance seems to be the only attribute the world is comfortable applying to Jesus.



Mr Obama was telling it from a biased perspective.
Highlighting phrases - using them out of context is not fair to the public. It was as though he was declaring the bible to be out-of-date.
Many Americans hold the Word of God as the highest standard for the world today.



Christianity is observing the standards of Christ and closely following His example.

Hypocrisy, a form of perjury itself, is a case for examination.
People can be so self-serving, that...I know.



I don't see enforcing Chistian standards as being overreaching.
What is happening today is the dismantling of biblical standards by targeting christians in our society. America's standards & Christianity are under attack while promiscuity and illicit behavior are glamourized and applauded.

"FREE"dom...is an often abused word, "twisted" and used for selfish purposes.
The abuse of freedom has resulted in a dysfunctional society. And the leadership that allowed it is very much to blame.

We should strive for a better way, but an elitist "New World Order" was never, to my knowedge, offered to U.S. citizens to vote upon.

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Jesus said: "I am the way, the truth and the life..." John 14:6

Jeremiah 33:3
"Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and shew thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not."


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The earth and everything upon it belongs to the Lord, by whom it was created.

His being "King of Kings and Lord of Lords" will not be acknowledged by some until a later date.

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any perspective of the bible will be 'biased' by what the reader experiences and interprets in their life and by what is RELEVANT to the topic being discussed at the moment...

I dont see that as mocking the bible at all...I saw it as mocking those who CLAIM to follow the bible,,,,or to want a government which does,,

Why would he have need to mock others "who claim to follow the Bible".
He's the leader, and he claims to believe that "Jesus is the Lord".
But yet to claim that The Lord's Wisdom won't work in this society?
What would you call such a declaration?

Yes, to everything there is a season...a time to think before speaking.

Not sure where this discussion is going...but this I see:

There are a lot of luke-warm Christians and worse... wolves in sheeps clothing. Having the appearance of, or claiming to be christians but questioning the fruits of Christian living while demanding their rights to legitimize vile life-styles and more.




2 Timothy 3:
Difficult Times Will Come


1, This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

2, For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud,
blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

3, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce,
despisers of those that are good,

4, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

5, Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

6, For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins,
led away with divers lusts,

7, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.


8, Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
9, But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
10, But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
11, Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
12, Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


13, But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

14, But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of,
knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

15, And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise
unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine,
for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17, That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

HE wasnt questioning the lords wisdom,, he was questioning MANS wisdom in INTERPRETING such matters,,,

Man has in the past and will always become wise from God's Biblical message.
The path of faith is recorded in the pages of the BIBLE and in the pages of Gentiles' documents as well.

Yes there have been some who have claimed to be "Christians" and have failed Nations.
But the BIBLE is not to be blamed.
Everywhere, everyday the bible is being trampled upon and rejected by mankind as a whole and by Christians
who are not willing to apply God's wisdom in their conversation an important decisions.

Man is rejecting God Almighty, our CREATOR.

When a Christian does this, it is considered Apostasy.




Romans 1:


1, Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,
2, (Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)
3, Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
4, And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
5, By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:
6, Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:
7, To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
8, First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
9, For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I make mention of you always in my prayers;

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16, For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation
to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17, For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written,
The just shall live by faith.

18, For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

19, Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

20, For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

21, Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

>>> 22, Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, <<<

23, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man,
and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

24, Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts,
to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

25, Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature
more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

26, For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women
did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

27, And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman,
burned in their lust one toward another;
men with men working that which is unseemly,
and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

28, And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge,
God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

29, Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

30, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things,
disobedient to parents,

31, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

32, Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,
not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.





Yes, many leaders have taken the route of the foolish.

I agree, many pretend to be pious and all knowing when they are equally sinners and hypocrites



'Then Pharisees and scribes came to Jesus from Jerusalem and said, "Why do Your disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? For they do not wash their hands when they eat." He answered them, "And why do you transgress the Commandment of God for the sake of your tradition? For God commanded, 'Honor your father and your mother,' and, 'He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die.' But you say, 'If any one tells his father or his mother, What you would have gained from me is given to God, he need not honor his father.' So, for the sake of your tradition, you have made void the word of God. You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: 'This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart is far from Me; in vain do they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men.'" (Matthew 15:1-9 RSV)


many, far too many, confuse traditions in the bible, and bibilical Israelite CIVIL LAW with Gods commandments,,,,,who would we trust to seperate the two?

I dont know the answer,,,I personally would only trust Jesus himself to do that


I do believe, however, that much of what we wish to stand in judgment over was meant for Gods judgment instead, and in this I wholeheartedly agree with the Presidents message

I agree,
The Pharisees where stuck on "the letter of the law" and "vain repetitions". That sect never understood nor accepted the law of grace which is in Christ. They disregarded the higher things of God-
honor, grace, and mercy.



Trusting "Jesus himself to do that" would be to give the words of the Father a voice in this world, and not suppress his message in exchange for sinful man's opinion.

God's words ARE judgment.
His words can convict a man of his sins and draw him to the way of repentance, forgiveness,
and right-standing.

It is not judgment to show men a more abundant life through Christian morals.
Also we must understand the concept of "law before grace".

Man sees the laws and realizes he falls short and has need of the loving Savior-Jesus.
That is the ultimate purpose of the law.

LOVE is not tolerence of sin...but to care enough for mankind to show him Christ.

p.s.
I'd like to hear a more indepth explanation of the president's Christian convictions.
If someone is going to lead me and my loved ones I'd like to know exactly where he's trying to lead us.

Christ leads me, I need or trust no man, saving my parent or my spouse to do it. The government only sets the guidelines or boundaries by which I must live in this society.

I think Obamas journey with God should be just as personal as mine is and dont need him to explain it to me. He has to lead his own family and his children and his wife, as my parents did for me. I dont find it a presidents job, so long as he is not intent on convincing people NOT to find their way to God.

Oh, if it were that simple!
The president was elected for just that purpose...to lead US!
To lead the country...but to where & how?

Yes, spiritually, Christians are led by Christ...

but we are also flesh and blood.

Christians' physical rights are being attacked and disregarded.

I see liberals who are gaining freedom of expression while Chistians
are losing their voice.
You can't turn on the television or any media without hearing the shouts for sexual freedoms.
You can hardly distinguish males from females in this country.

One is left to wonder
"will my son or daughter be won over by the sexual revolution that our leaders have now endorsed?"
(including our educational system).

Who will be available for our children to marry?

The multitudes put more thought and energy into being sexually free than to the freedom of our Nation from terroristic threats.

I believe the sexual revolution IS a terroristic threat.

The USA has become as Sodom (and Gomorrah).

"But the men of Sodom were wicked and sinners
before the LORD exceedingly."
Gen_13:13,

It became necessary for Almighty God to destroy that city.

Perhaps that is a difference in perception. I have never thought of one man as responsible for LEADING the USA. Our government is lead by the President and our government REPRESENTS us. They are made of men and women from OUR culture and they are going to have flaws and weaknesses and shortcomings just like any other man or woman in our culture, and therefore are no more or less qualified to LEAD us to God. Anyone that lead the USA by the laws of the constitution would have to be an antichrist if the only requirement is a belief that they are not intentionally and blatantly leading people to Christ, because our government is specifically not to establish religion but to let each man and woman decide that for themself.

That is true 'free will' after all....which may or may not be preferrable to 'indoctrination by nationality or demographics'

2nd Chronicles 7: 14

If MY PEOPLE , which are CALLED BY MY NAME,

shall HUMBLE themselves,

and PRAY,

and SEEK MY FACE,

and TURN from their WICKED WAYS;


THEN

WILL I HEAR from HEAVEN, and WILL FORGIVE THEIR SIN ,

and WILL HEAL THEIR LAND.