Topic: Science and magic
Avatart's photo
Thu 07/21/11 12:58 PM
What is science and what is magic?.. What is their difference?
Based on my researches, i believe magic are unexplained facts and discoveries or even phenomenum, that we term as "spritual"... When these facts, discoveries or phenomenum are given evidence then it is termed a science and technology....
Science tends to dis-agree with the fact that jinns and spirits dont exist, because they dont have any explainable evidence that they do.... Science dont believe in exorisim, but it truly happens and its REAL!... If you dont think so then, i can make you know

Abracadabra's photo
Thu 07/21/11 01:49 PM
Science = The knowledge we already have about how some things work.

Magick = That which science has not yet explained.

Science isn't anywhere near complete. Anyone who claims that it is, is either mistaken or grossly misrepresenting the facts.

Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.

*Note, a spiritual or magical realm could potentially be nothing more than that which science has yet to observe and detect directly.

We already know that science detects the behavior of quantum fields that are not themselves directly detectable. We deduce that they must exist simply because of the effects they have on the physical world that we can detect.

However, this fact doesn't send scientists running off to believe in fables of Zeus!

The potential existence of a spiritual or magical realm is compatible with all spiritual philosophies and religions. It can't be used to support any one religion or spiritual philosophy over another.

Avatart's photo
Thu 07/21/11 02:08 PM
Science is nowhere near knowing everything, there so many things that are unexplained, but i believe there is a being that has all knowledge of it and tends to let little of its knowlegde out, and that is why that being is higer than we humans, there is nothing like fable my friend, there are some scriptures or verses, that when read or performed, they can be used to for the science unexplained, but who has the knowledge of this?.. Its that being that is higer than us.. If you call any of this as being spritual, then ill regard science and inventions as spiritual instruments....

jrbogie's photo
Sun 07/24/11 04:39 AM

Science is nowhere near knowing everything, there so many things that are unexplained, but i believe there is a being that has all knowledge of it and tends to let little of its knowlegde out, and that is why that being is higer than we humans, there is nothing like fable my friend, there are some scriptures or verses, that when read or performed, they can be used to for the science unexplained, but who has the knowledge of this?.. Its that being that is higer than us.. If you call any of this as being spritual, then ill regard science and inventions as spiritual instruments....


science is a discipline of study with a specific methodology for finding what answers we can find regarding the visible universe. we'll never find all the answers but that is science.

majic is little more than slight of hand. tricks that fool the eye. entertaining, for sure, but no answers to be found there.

jrbogie's photo
Sun 07/24/11 04:41 AM

Science dont believe in exorisim, but it truly happens and its REAL!... If you dont think so then, i can make you know


okay, i'll bite. make me know that exorcism happens.

mykesorrel's photo
Sun 07/24/11 07:52 AM
Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.


Although i'm still an infant in science, i would have to disagree with this a bit. Multiverse in its current form is not widely accepted, not only that, when scientist describe other dimensions it's more so other replicas of this one, not anything spiritual. A lot of science considers it pseudo-science to begin with, some find it to controversial and some do acknowledge it, until there is some testable measures, i won't regard it or discard it.

mykesorrel's photo
Sun 07/24/11 07:55 AM


Science is nowhere near knowing everything, there so many things that are unexplained, but i believe there is a being that has all knowledge of it and tends to let little of its knowlegde out, and that is why that being is higer than we humans, there is nothing like fable my friend, there are some scriptures or verses, that when read or performed, they can be used to for the science unexplained, but who has the knowledge of this?.. Its that being that is higer than us.. If you call any of this as being spritual, then ill regard science and inventions as spiritual instruments....


science is a discipline of study with a specific methodology for finding what answers we can find regarding the visible universe. we'll never find all the answers but that is science.

majic is little more than slight of hand. tricks that fool the eye. entertaining, for sure, but no answers to be found there.


Something we both can agree on. :tongue:

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 07/24/11 09:48 AM

Science = The knowledge we already have about how some things work.

Magick = That which science has not yet explained.

Science isn't anywhere near complete. Anyone who claims that it is, is either mistaken or grossly misrepresenting the facts.

Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.

*Note, a spiritual or magical realm could potentially be nothing more than that which science has yet to observe and detect directly.

We already know that science detects the behavior of quantum fields that are not themselves directly detectable. We deduce that they must exist simply because of the effects they have on the physical world that we can detect.

However, this fact doesn't send scientists running off to believe in fables of Zeus!

The potential existence of a spiritual or magical realm is compatible with all spiritual philosophies and religions. It can't be used to support any one religion or spiritual philosophy over another.
Does science believe in Aliens? if they do what proof do they have?

mykesorrel's photo
Sun 07/24/11 09:53 AM


Science = The knowledge we already have about how some things work.

Magick = That which science has not yet explained.

Science isn't anywhere near complete. Anyone who claims that it is, is either mistaken or grossly misrepresenting the facts.

Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.

*Note, a spiritual or magical realm could potentially be nothing more than that which science has yet to observe and detect directly.

We already know that science detects the behavior of quantum fields that are not themselves directly detectable. We deduce that they must exist simply because of the effects they have on the physical world that we can detect.

However, this fact doesn't send scientists running off to believe in fables of Zeus!

The potential existence of a spiritual or magical realm is compatible with all spiritual philosophies and religions. It can't be used to support any one religion or spiritual philosophy over another.
Does science believe in Aliens? if they do what proof do they have?


You making it seem as if science is this one entity. Science is just a collection of observable, testable applications in an lab or environment that can be provable. You can be a Christian scientist, Muslim scientist, etc. The only probably is when you assert something, without no grounds of evidence and claim it's science (like I.D) when it's not. As far as your question, do scientist believe in Aliens? Who knows? You'd have to literally go down the list and ask each one of them lol. The possibility of them existing is plausible, because we know what the right circumstances we came to being so we shouldn't alienate(pun intended) the idea of aliens existing.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 07/24/11 10:01 AM



Science = The knowledge we already have about how some things work.

Magick = That which science has not yet explained.

Science isn't anywhere near complete. Anyone who claims that it is, is either mistaken or grossly misrepresenting the facts.

Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.

*Note, a spiritual or magical realm could potentially be nothing more than that which science has yet to observe and detect directly.

We already know that science detects the behavior of quantum fields that are not themselves directly detectable. We deduce that they must exist simply because of the effects they have on the physical world that we can detect.

However, this fact doesn't send scientists running off to believe in fables of Zeus!

The potential existence of a spiritual or magical realm is compatible with all spiritual philosophies and religions. It can't be used to support any one religion or spiritual philosophy over another.
Does science believe in Aliens? if they do what proof do they have?


You making it seem as if science is this one entity. Science is just a collection of observable, testable applications in an lab or environment that can be provable. You can be a Christian scientist, Muslim scientist, etc. The only probably is when you assert something, without no grounds of evidence and claim it's science (like I.D) when it's not. As far as your question, do scientist believe in Aliens? Who knows? You'd have to literally go down the list and ask each one of them lol. The possibility of them existing is plausible, because we know what the right circumstances we came to being so we shouldn't alienate(pun intended) the idea of aliens existing.
Very reasonable answer. I ask because a belief in a creator is so ridiculed here but Aliens are plausible when we have been trying to listen for 50+years for evidence yet have heard none..at least what we are told. so why is it so implausible for a creator who is letting us grow and learn untill a time he must intervene and then show himself? Blessings..Miles

mykesorrel's photo
Sun 07/24/11 10:17 AM
Edited by mykesorrel on Sun 07/24/11 10:18 AM




Science = The knowledge we already have about how some things work.

Magick = That which science has not yet explained.

Science isn't anywhere near complete. Anyone who claims that it is, is either mistaken or grossly misrepresenting the facts.

Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.

*Note, a spiritual or magical realm could potentially be nothing more than that which science has yet to observe and detect directly.

We already know that science detects the behavior of quantum fields that are not themselves directly detectable. We deduce that they must exist simply because of the effects they have on the physical world that we can detect.

However, this fact doesn't send scientists running off to believe in fables of Zeus!

The potential existence of a spiritual or magical realm is compatible with all spiritual philosophies and religions. It can't be used to support any one religion or spiritual philosophy over another.
Does science believe in Aliens? if they do what proof do they have?


You making it seem as if science is this one entity. Science is just a collection of observable, testable applications in an lab or environment that can be provable. You can be a Christian scientist, Muslim scientist, etc. The only probably is when you assert something, without no grounds of evidence and claim it's science (like I.D) when it's not. As far as your question, do scientist believe in Aliens? Who knows? You'd have to literally go down the list and ask each one of them lol. The possibility of them existing is plausible, because we know what the right circumstances we came to being so we shouldn't alienate(pun intended) the idea of aliens existing.
Very reasonable answer. I ask because a belief in a creator is so ridiculed here but Aliens are plausible when we have been trying to listen for 50+years for evidence yet have heard none..at least what we are told. so why is it so implausible for a creator who is letting us grow and learn untill a time he must intervene and then show himself? Blessings..Miles


Well, because we only be observing the cosmos for aliens for a few years. The time it takes light to hit us from distant galaxies is pretty far, thus even if an advance civilization exited their frequencies probably haven't even hit us yet (from space expands so light traveling from one galaxy to another takes an even longer time). The reason why most scientist disbelieve in God(s) is because of what the traditional since imply them to be. I will use the God of the Bible since that's what I'm more familiar with. First, God represents a male gender (he said so in Genesis) Why he would be male is beyond me. Secondly, the story of creation does not coincide with how the universe was brought to be, God literally created everything within 6 days and rested on the 7th. We know Noah ark is scientifically impossible, Tower of Babel an excuse to understand why different cultures exists and many of the other stories . To have a bias of the Christian God would be favoritism, because then science would have to take into account all the other Gods. There's nothing wrong with someone thinking some kind entity, higher power, or whatever invoked the Big Bang, but the thing is there's no evidence which science is all about and saying "God did it" is just wishful thinking from ignorance of what you cannot understand about nature. Belief in God is what faith is all about, which is all about religion, which is where it needs to stay.

Why is it that science have to accept God(s), but you don't see people in Churches pulling out a text book preaching about evolution? Kind of a double standard.

Milesoftheusa's photo
Sun 07/24/11 11:11 AM





Science = The knowledge we already have about how some things work.

Magick = That which science has not yet explained.

Science isn't anywhere near complete. Anyone who claims that it is, is either mistaken or grossly misrepresenting the facts.

Science most certainly can't rule out a spiritual realm. If fact, at present many scientists are hypothesizing the existence of dimensions, fields, and even whole universes that we have not yet been able to detect directly. So in that sense scientists themselves are speculating the existence of "spiritual" or "magical" realms*.

*Note, a spiritual or magical realm could potentially be nothing more than that which science has yet to observe and detect directly.

We already know that science detects the behavior of quantum fields that are not themselves directly detectable. We deduce that they must exist simply because of the effects they have on the physical world that we can detect.

However, this fact doesn't send scientists running off to believe in fables of Zeus!

The potential existence of a spiritual or magical realm is compatible with all spiritual philosophies and religions. It can't be used to support any one religion or spiritual philosophy over another.
Does science believe in Aliens? if they do what proof do they have?


You making it seem as if science is this one entity. Science is just a collection of observable, testable applications in an lab or environment that can be provable. You can be a Christian scientist, Muslim scientist, etc. The only probably is when you assert something, without no grounds of evidence and claim it's science (like I.D) when it's not. As far as your question, do scientist believe in Aliens? Who knows? You'd have to literally go down the list and ask each one of them lol. The possibility of them existing is plausible, because we know what the right circumstances we came to being so we shouldn't alienate(pun intended) the idea of aliens existing.
Very reasonable answer. I ask because a belief in a creator is so ridiculed here but Aliens are plausible when we have been trying to listen for 50+years for evidence yet have heard none..at least what we are told. so why is it so implausible for a creator who is letting us grow and learn untill a time he must intervene and then show himself? Blessings..Miles


Well, because we only be observing the cosmos for aliens for a few years. The time it takes light to hit us from distant galaxies is pretty far, thus even if an advance civilization exited their frequencies probably haven't even hit us yet (from space expands so light traveling from one galaxy to another takes an even longer time). The reason why most scientist disbelieve in God(s) is because of what the traditional since imply them to be. I will use the God of the Bible since that's what I'm more familiar with. First, God represents a male gender (he said so in Genesis) Why he would be male is beyond me. Secondly, the story of creation does not coincide with how the universe was brought to be, God literally created everything within 6 days and rested on the 7th. We know Noah ark is scientifically impossible, Tower of Babel an excuse to understand why different cultures exists and many of the other stories . To have a bias of the Christian God would be favoritism, because then science would have to take into account all the other Gods. There's nothing wrong with someone thinking some kind entity, higher power, or whatever invoked the Big Bang, but the thing is there's no evidence which science is all about and saying "God did it" is just wishful thinking from ignorance of what you cannot understand about nature. Belief in God is what faith is all about, which is all about religion, which is where it needs to stay.

Why is it that science have to accept God(s), but you don't see people in Churches pulling out a text book preaching about evolution? Kind of a double standard.


if aliens are however far out in the universe then just because we can not fathom we are alone really makes iot fanticy by the same facts people say thier is noone watching over us.. on one hand thier are beings out thier on the other hand we must of evolved from a single cell.. who's fantisizing?

I will agree we have been lied to and the bible says we will be untill the time of great knowledge happens. how fast is knowledge advancing today?

The Big Bang.. a therory how could they know.. again fanticy.

In tyhe beginning it says Elohim..Plural

it is masculine but it also says let us make man in our own image.Eve came along because Adam was lonely.

so Yahweh did surgery on Adam who he just created from the dust of the earth took a rib and sewed him back up.

Yes that makes no sence at all.. why would we be told this.

The lying pen of the scribes. The Paleo hebrew word they translated rib is "Tesla" meaning chamber and what did his helpmate become?

a womb-man.. Adam was created with both parts. so Yahweh must be both male and female. We are told in marraige the 2 become 1. It is a great mystery.then those 2 create life together.

Just because theologians are steeped in tradition does not mean the scriptures are not true.

The tower of babel. what did they try to do? build to the heavens.
now we look around the world and we see things and still scratch our heads how did they do it? where did they go. The flood got rid of the evil.. they said "I AM" just like today. no flood.

Gen 7:11-12
1 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. 12 And the rain was on the earth forty days and forty nights.
NKJV


fountains of the Great Deep. Even science has found cities and continue to find cities deep in water. sophisticated tools. the oceans seemed to of caved in on themselves. this is what scientists say.. not me.

fits with the flood.

The creation. just says 7 days. on the 7th Elohim rested.

But then it says 1 day to Yahweh is as a 1000 years to us. This is where 6000 years come from and Yahshua comes back on the 7th day for a 1000 years.

Satan rebelled is why humans were created. and if spirit is forever then the universe can be forever.. no beginning no end.

people I agree love tradition but as Prophecy has promiced by Yahshua himself.

Matt 24:3-14
"Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"

4 And Yahshua answered and said to them: "Take heed that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. 6 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7 For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 "Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name's sake. 10 And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. 12 And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But he who endures to the end shall be saved. 14 And this evangel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.
NKJV


notice the end does not come untill everyone has heard the Evangel of Yahweh.

Everyone thinks they have heard it with 1000's of denominations. How can this be?

Its not..it has not been preached yet and when it is it is with power undeniable yet the fables of today will resist it with a vengence.

What the world has heard is another evangel. not The Creators.. look around you. prophecy is everywhere.. how can this be? blessings of Shalom..Miles

jrbogie's photo
Mon 07/25/11 03:39 AM

Does science believe in Aliens? if they do what proof do they have?



science BELIEVES in nothing whatsoever. science might study what evidence can be found to determine the plausibilty of aliens but to suggest science BELIEVES an anything would make it less a discipline of study and more a religion. as for aliens, i will say, rank amature scientist that i am, i've done some experimenting on my neighbor and found he is in fact an alien. but he's studying hard for his citizenship exam and should become an american some time next year.

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Mon 07/25/11 03:48 AM

Very reasonable answer. I ask because a belief in a creator is so ridiculed here but Aliens are plausible when we have been trying to listen for 50+years for evidence yet have heard none..at least what we are told. so why is it so implausible for a creator who is letting us grow and learn untill a time he must intervene and then show himself? Blessings..Miles


i don't know of a scientist who considers life elsewhere in the univers as plausible in a theoretical sense. a good theory has evidence to support it that can be tested and found to produce predictable and repeatable results. science has no evidence to test for god or aliens so neither concept rises to the level of a theory in science as does the big bang or evolution. so there is no reason for science to consider aliens or god plausible or implausible.

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Sun 08/07/11 05:05 PM
"Science" = How the universe works.
"Magic" = make believe.

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Sun 08/07/11 05:10 PM

"Science" = How the universe works.
"Magic" = make believe.



rofl rofl rofl rofl

Poor guy.spock

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Sun 08/07/11 05:26 PM
My earth science teacher explain the difference between magic and science by giving us his version of the definition of an airplane. According to him an airplane is collection of non-flying parts. Even though the airplane itself can fly the parts that make up the airplane do not fly.

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Sun 08/07/11 05:44 PM

My earth science teacher explain the difference between magic and science by giving us his version of the definition of an airplane. According to him an airplane is collection of non-flying parts. Even though the airplane itself can fly the parts that make up the airplane do not fly.


That's a pretty good explanation.

The law of attraction is like that.

There is a specific formula that works. The individual part of the formula will not work.

Like an automobile all put together might not run at all without the gas.


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Mon 08/08/11 06:54 PM

My earth science teacher explain the difference between magic and science by giving us his version of the definition of an airplane. According to him an airplane is collection of non-flying parts. Even though the airplane itself can fly the parts that make up the airplane do not fly.


the parts are simply flying in formation.