Amen!! never said he was only lord to just us. Only mention of Jesus being lord here was to show sometimes it says LORD God and sometimes it says God, only showing that it is referring to two different persons. Jesus is the lord of lords, the king of kings.

"God" is not a being in itself. That is why there is god the son and God the father. The word "god" shows authority, shows it being the ruler. That is why again, we are referred to "gods" as well, know ye not that ye are gods? Because we are gods to the animals of this planet, we are the ones in authority over the animals. This is also pointed out in when we are told we have dominion over the Earth.

Genesis 1:28

28And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

With us having dominion over the earth and giving the ability to "subdue" it, our father has made us gods of this planet. We have authority over it and the things on it eg., the fish of the sea, fowl of the air, and the living things that moveth upon the Earth.

Isaiah 9:6

6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Cowboy...Notice what else that scripture in Isaiah

is saying about Jesus:


Notice it not only calls Jesus Everlasting Father, but ALSO calls

Jesus MIGHTY GOD!!!


That scripture is trying to show us that JESUS shares EQUALLY in

everything WITH the Father...and therefore, is EQUAL to the

Father,

JESUS IS EQUALLY AS MUCH GOD AS THE FATHER !!!


The two are One, because again....the Father and Son both make

up the 2 persons WITHIN the ONE GODHEAD(including also the

3rd person who is the Holy Spirit),

meaning ....the 3 in One Godhead makes up ONLY ONE GOD.


So no, this scripture does NOT NOT NOT mean that Jesus is

everlasting father over us, and that God the father is our

grandpa!!!!

NO!!!!


It means they are equally GOD!!!!!!




Now.... I can't make this any clearer, Cowboy.

Only God can make it clear to you now.....and this is why I am

going to end it here now.




Finally...read this below.... prayerfully....asking God to make His

Word VERY clear to you, about the DEITY of Christ.


http://mingle2.com/topic/show/309402




IF you truly SEEK and ASK GOD to reveal the TRUTH of His WORD

to you, GOD WILL .

Because Jesus is our mighty God. Jesus is our God, he is our authority. We answer to Jesus eg., we get to God the father through Jesus Christ. He is the one that has authority over us weather we get to see God the father or not, he is the one whom will judge us. Again, he is our authority.



No he is not. The father is greater then Jesus, he said so himself. God the father is always above anything and everything. Jesus is the son of God the father. He is not equal. Jesus answers to God the father, God the father sent Jesus. God = Authority. The father has authority over everything.

John 14:28

28Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.



Grandpa and all that are secular terms. I never once said Jesus' father was our "grandpa".



Jesus and his father are not equal though. Even Jesus himself said his father was greater then he was.

.......Question: "What is the Godhead?".......


Answer: The term "GODHEAD" is FOUND THREEE TIMES in the King James

Version: Acts 17:29; Romans 1:20; Colossians 2:9. Three different

Greek words are used, but each one means “DIVINITY.” It is

IMPORTANT for us to understand from the outset that God exists in

three Persons. The concept of the Godhead is that God is one yet God

is three persons in ONE GOD. How can this be?



While the word “trinity” is not found in the Scriptures, the concept

is found there from beginning to end. There is no question about it—

the doctrine of the Trinity is divinely revealed biblical truth: our

one God exists in three Persons. That is not to say that the

authors of Scripture understood it clearly. When Peter, John, and

the other disciples first saw Jesus they did not say, “Oh look,

there goes God in flesh, the second Person of the holy Trinity.”

Yet as they heard Him claim to be the revelation of the Father with

the prerogatives of deity, and as they watched Him perform the

supernatural works of deity, they came to the convinced persuasion

that He was God the Son.



Additionally, they probably gave very little thought at first to the

Holy Spirit being the third Person of the eternal Godhead. But when

the events of the day of Pentecost had ended, it was obvious to them

that the power they had witnessed working in them and through them

was not their own. It was the power of God. The Spirit who indwelled

them was none other than God Himself. So then, led by that same


divine Spirit, they revealed to us in their writings the Trinity of

the eternal God.



Explanation of the triune Godhead


What then does it mean that God exists as the Trinity? It is a basic

principle of our biblical faith that there is only one God. “Hear,

O Israel! The LORD our God, the LORD is one!” (Deuteronomy 6:4).

The unity of the Godhead cannot be questioned. God does not consist

of parts. He is one. But Scripture reveals that there are, in that

one divine essence, three eternal distinctions. Those distinctions

seem best described as Persons, known as the Father, the Son, and

the Holy Spirit. All three have identical attributes, however, and

therefore they are one—not merely one in mind and purpose, but one

in substance. To possess all the same attributes is to be one in

essential nature. The three Persons of the Godhead possess

identical attributes. They are one in substance and one in essence,

and therefore they are one God.



Evidence for the Triune Godhead

While the primary emphasis of the Old Testament is on the unity of

God, the indications of His triune nature are clearly seen even

there. We need not read very far to find the first one: “In the

beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1).

Elohim, the Hebrew name for God in this verse, is plural. That may

not prove the Trinity, but it definitely points to more than one

Person in the Godhead. There was no other logical reason to choose a

plural name. As such, we are not surprised, then, to hear Him say a

short time later, “Let us make man in our image” (Genesis 1:26,

emphasis added). The plural pronouns could not refer to angels

because they were never associated with God in His creative

activity. Consequently, more than one divine Person was clearly

involved. The plural pronouns make no sense otherwise (Genesis

3:22; Genesis 11:7). John reiterates this truth when, speaking of

Jesus, he declares, “Through him all things were made; without him

nothing was made that has been made” (John 1:3). Clearly, Jesus was

present and involved in the act of creation, yet Genesis 1:1 says

that “God created the heavens and the earth.”



The undeniable biblical testimony to the Trinity is simply that all

three Persons are referred to as divine. First, the Father is called

God. He is referred to as “God the Father” (Galatians 1:1), “God

our Father” (Galatians 1:3; Ephesians 1:2), and “the God and Father

of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Ephesians 1:3). His deity is

unquestioned. But the Son is likewise referred to as God. He

possesses the attributes of deity such as eternality, immutability,

omnipotence, omniscience, and omnipresence. He bears the names of

deity such as Jehovah, Lord, Immanuel, and the Word. He even

permitted Thomas to call Him “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). He

exercises the prerogatives of deity such as forgiving sins, raising

the dead, and judging all men. And He accepts worship reserved only

for God.



Jesus claimed that He deserved the very same reverence that was

reserved for God the Father. He was not a liar or a lunatic, so He

must have been who He claimed to be—God the Son, equal with the

Father and worthy of the same honor as the Father. The Father

Himself addressed His Son as God: “But about the Son He says, ‘Your

throne, O God, will last forever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8). Paul

further explains that “in Him dwells all the fullness of the

Godhead bodily” (Colossians 2:9). The Greek word

translated “godhead” is theotēs which means “divinity,” so the

totality of divinity (God) is in Jesus. The prologue to John’s

gospel tells us one reason Christ came to earth: to make the Father

known, to reveal God to men (John 1:18). We can know more of what

God is like by examining the Person of Jesus Christ. He was God in

flesh. As we explore Scripture and seek to discover who God is, we

cannot neglect the earthly life of Jesus Christ. He is God the Son.



But the Holy Spirit is also part of the Godhead. His name is “the

Spirit of God” (Genesis 1:2). He, too, possesses the attributes of

deity and performs the works of deity. While He is the Spirit who

proceeds from the Father (John 15:26), He is at the same time

called “the Spirit of Christ” (Romans 8:9). He is coequal with both

the Father and the Son. The Apostle Peter clearly viewed Him as God

when he said to Ananias, “Why has Satan filled your heart to lie to

the Holy Spirit? . . . You have not lied to men, but to God” (Acts

5:3-4). If the Father, the Son, and the Spirit all bear the names

of God, possess the attributes of God, and perform the works of

God, then there is no alternative but to acknowledge that our one

God exists in three Persons.



The Ministry of the Triune Godhead

Scripture links these three Persons of the Godhead together so

closely in so many divine activities that it would be foolish to

deny that any one of them is God. Observe some of those activities:


• Creating the World. All three were involved in creation: the

Father (Genesis 1:1); the Son (John 1:3, 10; Colossians 1:16); and

the Spirit (Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30). If all three created, then

God the Creator must exist in three Persons.


• Sending the Son. All three members of the Trinity were active in

the incarnation. When Mary questioned the angel about the

possibility of a virgin birth, the angel answered her, “The Holy

Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will

overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son

of God” (Luke 1:35). The power of the Father, ministered through

the agency of the Spirit, resulted in the birth of the Son into the

world. This close association in the birth of the Savior is further

indication of their oneness.



• Identifying the Messiah. At precisely the proper moment, Jesus

Christ was revealed to Israel as her Messiah. John the Baptist was

the chosen instrument and the act of baptism was the chosen means

(Matthew 3:16-17). As the Spirit came upon the Son, the Father’s

voice was heard from heaven expressing His approval. It was another

powerful testimony to the eternal triune Godhead.



• Providing Redemption. Two central passages bring the three members

of the Godhead together in providing for man’s eternal

salvation. “How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who

through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God,

cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we

may serve the living God!” (Hebrews 9:14). It was the offering of

the Son to the Father by the power of the Spirit. The Apostle Peter

taught, furthermore, that God the Father chose us to salvation, God

the Son paid for it by shedding His blood, and God the Spirit set us

apart unto the obedience of faith (1 Peter 1:1-2). Without each

Person of the Godhead doing His part, we would remain in our sins.



• Proclaiming Salvation. In the early years of the church, God did

some spectacular things to verify the gospel message which the

apostles were preaching. The writer to the Hebrews tells us, “How

shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at

the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those

who heard, God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and

wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit

according to His own will” (Hebrews 2:3-4). It was the same message

that was first spoken by the Son Himself. When the apostles

proclaimed it, the Father bore witness to its truthfulness by

bestowing miraculous gifts through the Spirit. It was not only a

powerful witness to the truth of the message, but another

demonstration of the triune God at work.



• Sending the Spirit. The three Persons of the Trinity are so

interwoven in sending the Spirit into the world that it is

difficult to distinguish between them. In one passage it is stated

that the Father would send the Spirit in Christ’s name and that He

would testify concerning Christ (John 14:26). In another it is said

that the Son would send Him from the Father (John 15:26). In yet

another, the Father sends Him and calls Him the Spirit of His Son

(Galatians 4:6). What a picture of unity—such perfect unity that

the actions of one are considered to be the actions of the other.

The Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son. But all three

are vitally involved in His coming.



• Indwelling Believers. Jesus taught His disciples that both He and

His Father would make their home with them (John 14:23). But their

indwelling would be in the Person of the Comforter, the Spirit of

truth (John 14:16-17). As the Spirit of both the Father and the

Son, His indwelling is the indwelling of the Godhead. That would not

be possible unless the three are one.


• Baptizing Believers. In our Lord’s commission to His disciples He

said, “Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing

them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy

Spirit” (Matthew 28:19). The unity of the Godhead is declared by

combining them in one “name” (singular). Yet the distinctiveness of

the Persons is maintained by listing them separately. It is another

link in the long chain of evidence that the Father, the Son, and

the Spirit are one God.



• Entering God’s Presence. All three members of the Godhead are

intimately involved in the believer’s access into the presence of

God. Speaking of Christ, the Apostle Paul taught, “For through him

we both have access to the Father by one Spirit” (Ephesians 2:18).

Both Jews and Gentiles can approach the Father through the merits

of the Son with the help of the Spirit.



• Blessing Believers. In Paul’s final remarks to the Corinthian

Christians, he linked the three members of the Godhead together in a

beautiful benediction: “The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the

love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you

all” (2 Corinthians 13:14). Unless the three are one, eternally and

equally supreme, there would be little reason to put them together

on an equal basis like this in a divine blessing. The apostle

certainly considered them to be one.



The reality of the triune Godhead CANNOT BE DENIED. Those outside

of Christ may object to it, but their objections arise primarily

because they seek to understand the Creator in terms of the

creature, to see God as merely a bigger and better version of man

when in reality He is a totally different kind of being, an

infinite being whom our finite minds cannot fully comprehend. We

believe in the Godhead not because we understand it, but because

God has revealed it. It is not incidental or unimportant. It is the

very essence of His being, the way He is. And it is necessary for

us to know it if we hope to grow in our understanding of His nature

and perfections.

............The Deity of Jesus Christ............



"While the Pharisees were gathered together,

Jesus asked them, Saying, What think ye of Christ?

Whose son is he?..." Matthew 22:41-42.



The question that our Lord Jesus puts here to the Pharisees is the

most fundamental question concerning Christian thought and faith

that can be put to anybody in any age. Jesus Christ Himself is the

center of Christianity, so the most fundamental questions of faith

are those that concern the Person of Christ. If a man really holds

to right views concerning the Person of Jesus Christ, he will

sooner or later get right views on every other question. If he holds

a wrong view concerning the Person of our Lord Jesus Christ, he is

pretty sure to go wrong on everything else sooner or later. "What

think ye of Christ?" That is the great central question; that is the

vital question.



And the most fundamental question concerning the Person of Christ

is — is Jesus Christ really God? Not merely, is He Divine, but, is

He actually God? When I was a boy, to say you believed in the

Divinity of Christ meant that you believed in the real Deity of

Christ, that you believed that Jesus was actually a Divine Person,

that He was God. It no longer means that. The Devil is wise,

shrewd, and subtle, and he knows that the most effectual way to

instill error into the minds of the inexpert and unwary is to use

old and precious words and put a new meaning into them. So when his

messengers masquerading as "ministers of righteousness" seek to

lead, if possible, the elect astray, they use the old precious

words, but with an entirely new and entirely different and entirely

false meaning. They talk about the Divinity of Christ, but they do

not mean at all what intelligent Christians in former days meant by

it. Likewise, they talk of the atonement, but they do not mean at

all the substitutionary death of Jesus Christ in our place by which

eternal life is secured for us. And oftentimes when they talk about

Christ, they do not mean at all our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ,

the actual historic Jesus of the four gospels; they mean an ideal

Christ, or a Christ principle.



So our subject is not the Divinity of Christ, but the Deity of

Christ; and our question is not, is Jesus Christ Divine, but rather,

is Jesus Christ God? Was that Person Who was born in Bethlehem

nineteen hundred and twenty-one years ago, and Who lived thirty-

three or thirty-four years here upon earth as recorded in the four

gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Who was crucified on

Calvary's cross, Who rose from the dead the third day, and was

exalted from earth to heaven to the right hand of the Father — was

He God manifest in the flesh, was He God embodied in a human being?

Was He, and is He, a Being worthy of our absolute faith and supreme

love and our unhesitating obedience and our wholehearted worship,

just as God the Father is worthy of our absolute faith and supreme

love and unhesitating obedience and our wholehearted worship? Should

all men honour Jesus Christ even as they honour God the Father

(John 5:23). Not merely is He an example that we can wisely follow,

or a Master whom we can wisely serve, but is He a God Whom we can

rightly worship? I presume that most of us do believe that He was

God manifest in the flesh and that He is God today at the right

hand of the Father, but why do you believe so? Are you so

intelligent in your faith, and therefore, so well-grounded in your

faith that no glib talker or reasoner, no Unitarian or Russellite

(JW) or Christian Scientist or Theosophist, or other errorist can

confuse you and upset you and lead you astray?



It is important that we be thoroughly sound in our faith at this

point and thoroughly well-informed, wherever else we may be in

ignorance or error, for we are distinctly told in John 20:31

that "these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the

Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life

through his name." It is evident from these words of the inspired

apostle John that this question is not merely a matter of

theoretical opinion, but that it is a matter that concerns our

salvation. It is to confirm and instruct you in your blessed faith,

your saving faith in Jesus Christ as a Divine Person.



When I studied the subject of the Divinity of Christ in the

theological seminary, I got the impression that there were a few

texts in the Bible that conclusively proved that He was Divine.

Years later I found that there were not merely a few proof texts

that proved this, but that the Bible in many ways and in countless

passages clearly taught that Jesus Christ was God manifest in the

flesh. Indeed, I found that the Doctrine of the Deity of Jesus

Christ formed the very warp and woof of the Bible.



Divine Names

The first line of proof of the absolute Deity of our Lord Jesus is

that many names and titles clearly implying Deity are used of Jesus

Christ in the Bible, some of them over and over again, the total

number of passages reaching far into the hundreds. Of course, I can

only give you a few illustrations at this time. Turn with me first

of all to Revelation 1:17, "And when I saw him, I fell at his feet

as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear

not; I am the first and the last." The text shows clearly that our

Lord Jesus was the speaker, and here our Lord Jesus distinctly

calls Himself "The First and the Last." Now this, beyond a

question, is a Divine name, for in Isaiah 44:6 we read, "Thus saith

the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I

am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." In

Revelation 22:12,13, our Lord Jesus says that He is the Alpha and

Omega. His words are, "And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is

with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. I am

Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last."

Now in this same book in the first chapter and the eighth verse the

Lord God declared that He is the Alpha and the Omega. His words

are, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the

Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

In I Corinthians 2:8, the apostle Paul speaks of our crucified Lord

Jesus as "The Lord of glory." His exact words are, "Which none of

the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would

not have crucified the Lord of glory." There can be no question

that "The Lord of glory" is Jehovah God, for we read in Psalm 24:8-

10, "Who is this King of glory? The LORD strong and mighty, the LORD

mighty in battle. Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them

up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in. Who

is this King of glory? The LORD of hosts, he is the King of glory.

Selah." And we are told in the passage already referred to that our

crucified Lord Jesus was the King of glory; therefore, He must be

Jehovah.


In John 20:28 Thomas addressed the Lord Jesus as his Lord and his

God: "And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God."

Unitarians have endeavored to get around the force of this utterance

made by Thomas by saying that Thomas was excited and that he was

not addressing the Lord Jesus, but was saying "my Lord and my God"

as an ejaculation of astonishment, just the way that profane people

sometimes use these exclamations today. But this interpretation is

impossible and shows to what desperate straits the Unitarians are

driven, for Jesus Himself commended Thomas for seeing it and saying

it. Our Lord Jesus' words immediately following those of Thomas

are, "Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed:

blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed" (John

20:29).


In Titus 2:13 our Lord Jesus is spoken of as our "great God and our

Saviour Jesus Christ." In Romans 9:5 Paul tells us that "Christ

came, who is over all, God blessed forever." The Unitarians have

made desperate efforts to overcome the force of these words, but

the only fair translation and interpretation of these words are

found in our Authorized Version. There can be no honest doubt to

one who goes to the Bible to find out what it actually teaches, and

not to read his own thought into it, that Jesus is spoken of by

various names and titles that beyond a question imply deity, and

that He in so many words is called God. In Hebrews 1:8 it is said

in so many words, of the Son, "But unto the Son he saith, Thy

throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is

the sceptre of thy kingdom." If we should go no further it is

evidently the clear and often repeated teaching of the Bible that

Jesus is really God.



Divine Attributes

But there is a second line of proof that Jesus Christ is God, a

proof equally convincing, and that is, all the five distinctivel

y Divine attributes are ascribed to Jesus Christ, and "all the

fulness of the Godhead" is said to dwell in Him. There are five

distinctively Divine attributes, that is, five attributes that God

alone possesses. These are Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence,

Eternity and Immutability. Each one of these distinctively Divine

attributes are ascribed to Jesus Christ.


First of all, omnipotence is ascribed to Jesus Christ. Not only are

we taught that Jesus had power over diseases and death and winds

and sea and demons, that they were all subject to His word, and

that He is far above all principality and power and might and

dominion and every name that is named, not only in this world, but

also in the world to come (Eph. 1:20-23), but in Hebrews 1:3 it is

said in so many words that He "[upholdeth] all things by the word

of his power."



Omniscience is also ascribed to Him. We are taught in the Bible that

Jesus knew men's lives, even their secret history (John 4:16-19),

that He knew the secret thoughts of men, knew all men, knew what

was in man (Mark 2:8; Luke 5:22; John 2:24,25), which knowledge we

are distinctly told in 2 Chronicles 6:30 and Jeremiah 17:9-10, that

God alone possesses. We are told in so many words in John 16:30

that Jesus knew "all things," and in Colossians 2:3 we find that in

Him "are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."



Omnipresence is also ascribed to Him. We are told in Matthew 18:20

that where two or three are gathered together in His Name, that He

is in the midst of them, and in Matthew 28:20 that wherever His

obedient disciples should go, He would be with them, even unto the

end of the age, and in John 14:20 and 2 Corinthians 13:5 we are

told that He dwells in each believer, in all the millions of

believers scattered over the earth. In Ephesians 1:23 we are told

that He "filleth all in all."



Eternity is also ascribed to Him. We are told in John 1:1 that "in

the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word

was God." In John 8:58 Jesus Himself said, "Verily, verily, I say

unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." Note that the Lord Jesus did

not merely say that "before Abraham was I was," but that "before

Abraham was, I AM," thus declaring Himself to be the eternal "I

AM." Even in the Old Testament we have a declaration of the eternity

of the Christ who was to be born in Bethlehem. In Micah 5:2 we

read, "But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the

thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me

that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of

old, from everlasting." And in Isaiah 9:6 we are told of the child

that is to be born, "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is

given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name

shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The

everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." And in Hebrews 13

:8 we are told, "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and

for ever."


His immutability is also taught in the passage just quoted from

Hebrews, and in the first chapter of the same book, in verses eleven

and twelve, we find that while even the heavens change, the Lord

Jesus does not change. The exact words are, "They shall perish; but

thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as cloth a garment; And

as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed:

but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail."



Each one of the five distinctively Divine attributes were ascribed

to our Lord Jesus Christ. And in Colossians 2:9 we are told in so

many words, "For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead

bodily [in a bodily form]." Here again we might rest our case, for

what has been said under this heading, even if taken alone, clearly

proves the absolute Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ. It shows that

He possesses every perfection of nature and character that God the

Father possesses.


Divine Offices

But we do not need to rest the case here. There is a third

unanswerable line of proof that Jesus Christ is God, namely, all the

distinctively Divine offices are predicated of Jesus Christ. There

are seven distinctively Divine offices. That is to say, there are

seven things that God alone can do, and each one of these seven

distinctively Divine offices is ascribed to Jesus Christ. The seven

distinctively Divine offices are: Creation, Preservation,

Forgiveness of Sin, the Raising of the Dead, the Transformation of

Bodies, Judgment and the Bestowal of Eternal Life, and each of these

is ascribed to Jesus Christ.



Creation is ascribed to Him. In Hebrews 1:10 these words are spoken

of our Lord: "And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the

foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine

hands." The context clearly shows that the Lord addressed is the

Lord Jesus. In John 1:3 we are told that "All things were made by

him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."


Preservation of the universe and of everything is also ascribed to

Him in Hebrews 1:3 where it is said of the Lord Jesus, "Who being

the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person

[God's], and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he

had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the

Majesty on high."



The forgiveness of sin is ascribed to Him. He Himself says in Mark

2:5-10 when His power to forgive sins was questioned, because that

was recognized as a Divine power, "But that ye may know that the

Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins."



The future raising of the dead is distinctly ascribed to him in John

6:39,44, "And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of

all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise

it up again at the last day. No man can come to me, except the

Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the

last day."



The transformation of our bodies is ascribed to Him in Philippians

3:21. In 2 Timothy 4:1 judgment is ascribed to Him. We are told

that He shall "judge the quick and the dead." Jesus Himself declared

that He would be the judge of all mankind and emphasized the fact

of the Divine character of that office. In John 5:22,23 He

said, "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all

judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as

they honour the Father." The bestowal of eternal life is ascribed to

Him time and time again. In John 10:28 He Himself says, "And I give

unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall

any man pluck them out of my hand," and in John 17:1,2, He

says, "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also

may glorify thee: As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that

he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him."

Here then, we have the seven distinctively Divine offices all

predicated of Jesus Christ. This alone would prove that He is God,

and we might rest the case here, but there are still other proofs

of His absolute Deity.



Statements Which in the Old Testament Are Made Distinctly of

Jehovah, God,

Taken in the New Testament to Refer to the Lord Jesus Christ


The fourth line of proof of the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ is

found in the fact that over and over again statements which in the

Old Testament are made distinctly of Jehovah, God, are taken in the

New Testament to refer to Jesus Christ. We have not time to

illustrate this at length, but will give but one illustration where

many might be given. In Jeremiah 11:20 the prophet says, "But, O

LORD of hosts, that judgest righteously, that triest the reins and

the heart, let me see thy vengeance on them: for unto thee have I

revealed my cause." Here the prophet distinctly says that it is

Jehovah of Hosts Who judgest and triest the reins and the heart.

And in the 17th chapter and the tenth verse Jeremiah represents

Jehovah Himself as saying the same thing in these words, "I the

LORD search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man

according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings."

But in the New Testament in Revelation 2:23 the Lord Jesus

says, "...I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will

give unto every one of you according to your works." We are

distinctly told in the context that it is "The Son of God" who is

speaking here. So Jesus claims for Himself in the New Testament

what the Lord in the Old Testament says is true of Himself and of

Himself alone. In very many other instances, statements which in

the Old Testament are made distinctly of God the Father, are taken

to refer to Jesus Christ. That is to say, in New Testament thought

and doctrine, Jesus Christ occupies the place that God the Father

occupies in Old Testament thought and doctrine.



The Way the Name of God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son Are

Coupled Together


The fifth line of proof of the absolute Deity of our Lord is found

in the way in which the name of Jesus Christ is coupled with that

of God the Father. In numerous passages His name is coupled with

the name of God the Father in a way in which it would be impossible

to couple the name of any finite being with that of the Deity. We

have time for but a few of the many illustrations that might be

given. A striking instance is in the words of our Lord Himself in

John 14:23 where we read, "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a

man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him,

and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." Here our

Lord Jesus does not hesitate to couple Himself with the Father in

such a way as to say "We," that is, God the Father and I, will come

and make our abode with him. In John 14:1 He said, 'Let not your

heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me." If Jesus

Christ was not God, this is shocking blasphemy. There is absolutely

no middle ground between admitting the Deity of Jesus Christ and

charging Christ with the most daring and appalling blasphemy of

which any man was ever guilty.



Divine Worship to be Given to Jesus Christ


There is a sixth line of proof of the absolute Deity of our Lord

Jesus. Those already given have been decisive, each one of the five

have been decisive, but this, if possible, is the most decisive of

them all, and that is that we are taught in so many words that

Jesus Christ should be worshipped as God, both by angels and men.

In numerous places in the gospels we see Jesus Christ accepting

without hesitation a worship which good men and angels declined

with fear and which He Himself taught should be rendered only to God

(Matt. 28:9; Luke 24:52; Matt.14:33; Acts 10:25,26; Rev. 22:8,9;

Matt. 4:9,10). A curious and very misleading comment is made in the

margin of the American Standard Revision upon the meaning of th

e word translated "worship" in these passages, and that is that "the

Greek word translated worship denotes an act of reverence, whether

paid to a 'creature' or to the 'Creator."'



Now this is true, but it is utterly misleading; for while this word

is used to denote "an act of reverence paid to a creature" by

idolaters, our Lord Jesus Himself distinctly says, using exactly the

same Greek word, "thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only

shalt thou serve," and on the other hand he says in John 5:23

that "all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the

father."



And in Revelation 5:8-13 the four living creatures and the four and

twenty elders are represented as falling down before the Lamb and

offering worship to Him just as worship is offered to Him that

sitteth upon the throne, that is, God the Father. In Hebrews 1:6 we

are told in so many words, "And again, when he bringeth in the

firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of

God worship him."


One night in the inquiry room in Chicago I stepped up to an

intelligent looking man at the back of the room and said to

him, "Are you a Christian?" He replied, "I do not suppose you would

consider me a Christian." I said, "Why not?" He said, "I am a

Unitarian." I said, "What you mean then is that you do not think

that Jesus Christ is a person that should be worshipped." He

replied, "'That is exactly what I think," and added, "the Bible

nowhere says we ought to worship Him." I said, "Who told you that?"

He replied, "My pastor," mentioning a prominent Unitarian minister

in the city of Boston. I said, "Let me show you something," and I

opened my Bible to Hebrews 1:6 and read, "And again, when he

bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all

the angels of God worship him." And he said, "Does it say that?" I

handed him the Bible and said, "Read it for yourself," and he read

it and said, "I did not know that was in the Bible." I said, "Well

it is there, isn't it?" "Yes it is there." Language could not make

it plainer. The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus, the Son of God,

is to be worshipped as God by angels and men, even as God the

Father is worshipped.


Incidental Proofs of the Deity of Jesus Christ


The six lines of proof of the Deity of Jesus Christ which I have

given you leave no possibility of doubting that Jesus Christ is

God, that Jesus of Nazareth is God manifest in a human person, that

He is a being to be worshipped, even as God the Father is

worshipped. But there are also incidental proofs of His absolute

Deity which, if possible, are in some ways even more convincing than

the direct assertions of His Deity.



1. Our Lord Jesus says in Matthew 11:28, "Come unto me, all ye that

labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." Now any one

that makes a promise like that must either be God, or a lunatic, or

an impostor. No one can give rest to all who labor and are heavy

laden who come to him unless he is God, and yet Jesus Christ offers

to do it. If He offers to do it and fails to do it when men come to

Him, then He is either a lunatic or an impostor. If He actually does

it, then beyond a question, He is God. And thousands can testify

that He really does it. Thousands and tens of thousands who have

labored and were heavy laden and crushed, and for whom there was no

help in man, have come to Jesus Christ and He actually has given

them rest. Surely then He is not merely a great man, but He is in

fact God.



2. Again in John 14:1 Jesus Christ demands that we put the same

faith in Him that we put in God the Father and promises that in

such faith we will find a cure for all trouble and anxiety of heart.

His words are, "Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God,

believe also in me." It is clear that He demands the same absolute

faith to be put in Himself that is to be put in God Almighty. Now

in Jeremiah 17:5, Scripture with which our Lord Jesus was perfectly

familiar, we read "Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that

trusteth in man," and yet with this clear curse pronounced upon all

who trust in man, Jesus Christ demands that we put trust in Him

just as we put trust in God. It is the strongest possible assertion

of Deity on His part. No one but God has a right to make such a

demand, and Jesus Christ, when He makes this demand, must either be

God or an impostor; but thousands and tens of thousands have found

that when they did believe in Him just as they believe in God,

their hearts were delivered from trouble no matter what their

bereavement or circumstances might be.



3. Again, the Lord Jesus demanded supreme and absolute love for

Himself. It is clear as day that no one but God has a right to

demand such a love, but there can be no question that Jesus did

demand it. In Matthew 10:37 He said to His disciples, "He that

loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he

that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me," and

in Luke 14:26,33, he says. "If any man come to me, and hate not his

father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and

sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. So

likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he

hath, he cannot be my disciple." There can be no question that this

is a demand on Jesus' part of supreme and absolute love to Himself,

a love that puts even the dearest relations of life in an entirely

secondary place. No one but God has a right to make any such demand,

but our Lord Jesus made it, and therefore, He must be God.



4. In John 10:30 the Lord Jesus claimed absolute equality with the

Father. He said, "I and my Father are one."


5. In John 14:9 our Lord Jesus went so far as to say, "...he that

hath seen me hath seen the Father." He claims here to be so

absolutely God that to see Him is to see the Father Who dwelleth in

Him.


6. In John 17:3 He says, "And this is life eternal, that they might

know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast

sent." In other words, He claims that the knowledge of Himself is as

essential a part of eternal life as knowledge of God the Father.



Conclusion


There is no room left to doubt the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ.

It is a glorious truth. The Saviour in Whom we believe is God, a

Saviour for Whom nothing is too hard, a Saviour Who can save from

the uttermost and save to the uttermost. Oh, how we should rejoice

that we have no merely human Saviour, but a Saviour Who is

absolutely God in all of His fulness and perfection.



On the other hand, how black is the guilt of rejecting such a

Saviour as this! Whoever refuses to accept Jesus as his Divine

Saviour and Lord is guilty of the enormous sin of rejecting a

Saviour Who is God. Many a man thinks he is good because he never

stole, or committed murder, or cheated. "Of what great sin am I

guilty?" he complacently asks. Have you ever accepted Jesus

Christ? "No." Well, then, you are guilty of the awful and damning

sin of rejecting a Saviour Who is God.


"But," you answer, "'I do not believe that He is God." That does not

change the fact nor lessen your guilt before God. Questioning a

fact or denying a fact never changes it, regardless of what Mary

Baker Eddy may say to the contrary.


Suppose a man had a wife who was one of the noblest, purest, truest

women that ever lived, would her husband's questioning her purity

and nobility change the fact? It would not. It would simply make

that husband guilty of awful slander; it would simply prove that

man to be an outrageous scoundrel.



So, denying the Deity of Jesus Christ does not make His Deity any

less a fact, but it does make the denier of His Deity guilty of

awful, incredible blasphemous slander against the Lord God of

Heaven. It also proves that you who deny His Deity to be

________________ . I leave your own conscience to finish the

sentence thus begun.


by R. A. Torrey



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R. A. Torrey (1856-1928), an American evangelist, pastor, educator, and writer. Called by D. L. Moody to head Bible institute in Chicago (now Moody Bible Institute). Dean of Bible Institute of Los Angeles. Pastorates included Chicago Avenue Church (now Moody Memorial) and Church of the Open Door, Los Angeles. Worldwide evangelistic meetings with Charlie Alexander. Founded Montrose Bible Conference, PA. Wrote more than forty books.

the answer is simply....God was talking to the angels or an angel

proof of this is in the passage Genesis 1:2

Genesis 1:2
And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

the passage indicates that it was another spirit present after God created The Heavens and The Earth...but during the creation of the Heavens he may have at the same time created the angels ...

therefore it's possbile that God was talking to the angels in reference to "US" in Genesis 1:26

so now the question becomes who is "the spirit of God" mention in Genesis 1:2

is it another Godhead or an angel?

the answer is right there in the passage...

according to that passage the spirit of God "moved" upon the face of the waters

since God is "omnipresent" and therefore exist everywhere in Creation, God would have no need to move upon the waters or move period

this is why the only other presence mention in Genesis 1:2 had to been an angel not another Godhead simply because the presence had to "move" and therefore was not omnipresent and therefore could not be a God or God

ELOHIM .....refers to a race of beings that are Gods
NEPHILIM...refers to a race of beings that are half man half angels
MAN ...can be referred to as a race of beings that are of Flesh and Blood

the term ELOHIM ...means there is more than one God not that all Gods exist as one being

an example of this is that Baal was also a God mention in the bible....so should Baal also be consider to be one of the Godheads or should Baal be considered to be one of the "ELOHIM"

Isaiah 7:14
Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


oops, I guess that's proof that Jesus is not the Messiah or the son of God

Cowboy...if you insist on playing name games...then play all the way...

Jesus is Immanuel. Immanuel means God with us.

but "God with us" doesn't translate to mean Jesus ...according to the prophecy The Messiah name was to be Immanuel ...

Jesus is Immanuel. Immanuel means God with us, Jesus is our god. Jesus means anointed one. Jesus means Immanuel.
Again

Immanuel = God with us

Jesus is our Immanuel.

Jesus translates to anointed one.

anointed pertains to anyone that participated in a ritual .....so far you are only proving that Jesus isn't the Messiah

Jesus doesn't translate to Immanuel ...see how you are so willing to lie to fit your agenda..... the prophecy claims that the child name will be called Immanuel...nothing about any Jesus

Names had meaning in those days.

Matthew 1:21

21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

When someone says his name is great. Do they mean that his name is literally Great? Or that his name has great purpose?

Immanuel = God with us.

Jesus is our god. And he came and dwelt among us "God with us".

Cowboy...there are some people with the name Great on their birth certificate....if you are unsure ask for ID........I'm not getting the point you are trying to make




if you picked Jesus as your God then that is your right...some people even choose Satan as their God ....but according to the prophecy The Messiah name would be call Immanuel...not Satan or Jesus nor "God with US"

No Funches,... Cowboy still just believes Jesus

is just our "god", not God.



But the Truth is , Jesus is not just our "god", but instead,

Jesus is just as much GOD as the Father is GOD...... both are

equally GOD .

The info and scriptures shared in the posts made earlier

(see posts above ), made this soooooooooo crystal clear..yet..it

did not take.


Only God can make His Word clear ..no one else can....no matter

how much one may try to help one see.

It just ain't gonna happen.....


Only God and God alone, is able to OPEN one's eyes to see

TRUTH.

since Jesus prayed to the Father, that in itself should make it obvious that Jesus is not God nor a God, which is why both you and Cowboy worship a false God