There's a word for that. Pride.

I never said there is no absolute truth either, there is some that exists. But if you're gonna claim it as absolute truth you better be able to back it up, otherwise you're a liar. The Bible fails that test.

I've never done that, you are projecting.

You more or less defined your own religion in your statement......so yeah you just did.

RIF

not really, there is plenty of 'science' that I have not seen for myself, but I take at face values what claims are written by scientists,, with the belief that it can change

I can say science 'fails' so long as I have not personally been shown what it claims,, but at some point I have to trust the references and the consistency

I do the same with the bible, it cant be discredited in my eyes, we can only continue to learn more and understand more about it,, just like science

And what you say right there is exactly my point. No proof will ever be good enough for you because you have it set in your mind that it's true and nothing will make you change that. That's the definition of a closed mind.

LOL, I guess I am really advanced then in my thoughts. I have deciphered the bible, gleaned what is to be learned and moved on to bigger and better things.

It is just a book of fables, thoughts and stories of men from thousands of years ago. How hard can it be to learn all there is to learn from that?

Since there is no way it can be the word of god. It is obvious of that fact.

or one who has the answer they need, and possibly just one who has gotten it right already,,,

so many possibilities..


truly, to discredit it as the word of God, would be as impossible to do as to 'disprove' that I or you ever said something

what would people think if I ever said 'I can prove that kleisto didnt say,,,,,,,'

its not something that can be actually proven beyond Kleisto claiming he didnt say it , and even then it might not fit any standard for 'proof' because Kleisto could make a false claim himself,,

terribly difficult to prove a negative , especially a historical one,,,,

No not really, it's only impossible because you refuse to accept the idea that maybe just maybe what you've been taught is wrong. If you open yourself to that possibility, the truth becomes easily apparent. I know it did for me and others like me.

Let me ask you something, if this was really God's word, then why is it so hard to interpret? Shouldn't it be obvious to all what it says? That it's not either says the God of the Bible really isn't so great and perfect if He can't make it completely obvious without one single doubt what His truth is, or that the whole claim is just simply false.

possibly because it was written thousands of years ago,, many things written that long ago , in a different language, IM sure are 'hard' to interpret (especially a language that has fallen out of use)

it was written by people in a different time and culture and language and then interpreted by others to be read by yet others who have to interpret,,,,I dont imagine thats gonna be simple,,,

I dont know why he didnt make it 'simple' and I dont really care, but I imagine there was as much value in causing me to put 'effort' into understanding it,, as there was for my parents to teach me to put 'efforts' into other area of my life

working hard, learning everying isnt simple or meant to be, are good ways to be a stronger individual in our mortal life,, perhaps its a good preperation for our immortal life as well?

All you have to do IS read the bible to know it not the work of a god. Nor the work of very smart men even.

The manipulations to the books by King James making it into what we know today might have cleaned it up a bit but you can still tell you are reading the work of men from 2000 years ago who didn't know that much yet.

We have outgrown the philosophy of the book so all it is good for now is retrospection. Kinda like Shakespeare, although Shakespeare is much better.

You ought to care, because if He's God He can do anything right? And if He wants people to know the truth, why do you have to jump so many hoops to get there? It doesn't seem like the work of a divine being.

You don't need to place certain morals on those qualities you mention though do you?

I try not to dwell on why things arent 'simple' in life,, it does little to help me figure them out ,,,,,,or , in other words, to help me LEARN,, which is one of the great points of life

if its 'simple' , what do we learn?

I dont feel I have to jump hoops to 'get there'.. anymore than I had to jump hoops to get to college, or jump hoops to put together a bike,, I just have to be willing to put forth the necessary effort,,,,


the greater the destination, the more effort its worth to me

There is much to learn and experience, you don't need an afterlife promise to teach you things. If there's anything I've learned in the last year, it's that you never really stop learning. The problem comes when you assume there is nothing new to know, which religion more or less teaches. The idea that this is the truth, and there is no others type of thing, it stunts your growth and ability to learn new ideas because you refuse to accept them if they clash with what you've been taught.

there is nothing new to know? also not something I remember reading in my Bible

the Bible hasnt stunted my growth or ability to learn new ideas in the least, anymore than math books, or history books, or any other learning resource I have used,,,,,that I 'accept' as a foundational truth to living in the world

in fact, Id say the Bible has reaffirmed my personal values and what is already present in my 'conscience' about living life in a healthy fashion

meanwhile, I have done exceedingly well in 'learning' academics,, so there hasnt been such a conflict at all,,,,for me anyhow

It has been my experience that some Christians feel that the Bible has the answer to every question you could possibly have. (Ridiculi.)

But if a person actually believes that, they are convinced that they don't need to crack the pages of any other book.

The Religious leaders would love that, because other books might have information in them that would cause people to come to their senses and actually start thinking about other possibilities.

If you haven't read it or didn't understand it, how would you know if it did or not?



The "uneducated Christian" canard, how delightful.



Because they are space lizard men? If only Buck Rodgers would come along and turn the AC on high, we could rid the world of space lizard men.

Spider I think you must be a lizard man.

You should seriously think about becoming a stand up comic cause you are really funny with your sarcasm. Do you always respond to reason and logic with sarcasm and ridicule? Those are the tools of the lizard men you know. Ridicule is a powerful tool and is used by the illuminati and the lizard men constantly.

But I spot that tactic right away.

I know them by their deeds and their M.O.

I would love to be a lizardman (Iksar as they like to be called). They have enhanced regeneration, have tough skin, infra-vision, +50 to Forage, +100 to swimming, +5 to Fire resists, but a -10 to cold resist.

That's why I said about turning up the AC, that would chill the lizardmen out to the point they would go to sleep.

As to why I use a space heater and a snuggie in my cubical at work during the summer...no comment.