When you do a phone interview, and they say they'll call you, that means you blew it, right?

No, it means they'll call you.... if they pick you.

I know rejection when I hear it.

I've never had an interview by phone before, I suppose that would be weird not seeing their expressions... Soon they're gonna be interviewing via internet... then EVERYONE will look like a numbskull

Actually they sorta do already have online interviews. They also have online pre-sceens when you do some online apps.

That's pretty much how I figure it, Totage. And you can pretty much guarantee they really won't let you know either way. It's simple to ignore people anymore....

It means they will call one of the 5,667 applicants that they had an interview with, and the other 5,666 applicants won't be called.

This is the hardest of rejections, when they give you some sort of hope with no real practical grounds for hope.

I been there, done that, so I went on welfare and have lived on it for twenty years now. Screw them. If there are no jobs, it's not my fault. And there are no jobs. It's not the big oil's fault, it's not the pharmaceutical's fault. It's not the government's fault. It's the fault of the present system which needs rearrangement very badly. There are no jobs, coz there is nothing to do. We have the wealth, the goods, the services, without society's needing many people do do the jobs to maintain their level of production. The jobs are not there but the goods are, and the people who are not in jobs are not rejects, but society ought to realize that, and change its own internal culture and wealth distributive systems if it is to survive.

I mean this. All economists and financiers know this, but they are scared to say this. Everyone is scared, because in a flash they can be called communist pinkos, whereas they are not. It's just that there is no need for people's work in this country, for the country to stay rich and offer plenty of goods and services to everyone and then some.

I can see no other solutions, but to raise welfare income, and to teach society that that is fine. But that can't be done, no way.

I see no other solution. Maybe there are some, but I can't see them.

But unless we change something in the system that does allow us to feel pride and fully worthy without having a job even; and which does allow us to live well and not have constant headaches due to financial hardships without having a job, we will have one financial crisis after another, one social crisis after another. Country-wide, nation-wide.

We have to choose between dropping our old protestant work ethic values, and continuing with the very miserable current societal status quo.

I consider myself to be lucky for I am able to maintain a healthy level of self-esteem and financial independence despite living on welfare. I need very little, I use very little. I want very little, and what I want, I can get at my income level. The only thing I would want but can't get is women, because a man over 25 who has no job, no house, and not even a car, is SOL in the real dating scene. This Internet dating is BS, as far as I can tell. Real dating doesn't happen either, people couple up and stay that way. So I am lucky that the social norms of promiscuity have reverted to monogamynism, because I am very strong in my tendency for promiscuity. I would rather have a lot of lovers, then the next on the preference list is no lovers, and finally as a last-ditch effort, which I will never go to, is to have 1 (one) lover. That'd be death for me.

I am also rather competitive in nature, (well, duh), so having been forced to celibacy at a time when everyone else is, is not a HUGE problem for me.

So I am a lucky devil, but I can see how others could not live a life that I do.

While all this has been happening, I got used to being celibate, and alone; I can't remember what love is, and what it feels like. And that's just as well.

It's one of the fringe benefits of being a philosopher, and being a person who can self-induce laughter for himself, for entertainment.

Ecce homo, folks.

double post -- sorry.

Riiiiing.
Riiiiing.

Totage?
I want you.
I need you.
I want your paycheck.
I need your paycheck.
I love your paycheck.

See?
It could be worse.

nah man, it's the same thing with having a normal in person interview where they don't intend on hiring anyone on the spot. i'm sure they're going through all of the applicants before narrowing their decisions down to who they want most.

Ditto, therefore when they come across that one they want and it is after they called you, then you have been forgotten.

Most the time all that is, is a courtesy call just letting you know they have your application and have taken a look at it....Otherwise they would set up a in person interview...

I never count on those calls to amount to anything...

After an in person interview, they'll call you if they want to hire you, right? Same thing with a phone interview. Or, they'll at least call if they're interested in doing an in person interview as well.

What? I could have a paycheck?

Actually, the bad news is,
apparently your phone rings.

nope

I've never had a phone interview either. I don't look for jobs out of my area; so most of mine are within driving distance. Only went on one interview that the guy said he'd call...that he didn't. I've called back twice and no return call. I've decided that I don't want to work for a place/person who doesn't mean what he says anyway .

In reference to the rest of your post. We all have our own ideas about why we have no money or no job. For me, I will work a job that doesn't pay for schitt because that's what I need to do. There was a time that I worked three jobs AND raised my children because I WAS NOT going to live on Welfare. I want to be a part of society that can say "I work for what I have". I have no problem with learning a new career or changing up and starting something new. I think it builds characture...mine, and gives me strength. And also let's my children know that I never give up faith in myself. It gives them and others that know me a chance to say "if she is doing it, maybe I can too."

In regards to women/jobs/and the working man. You are absolutely right. If a man does not have the willpower to work and support himself, how is he going to be with the rest of his life? Changes come from within each individual. "When the going gets rough...the tough get going." "Either get busy living or stay lying dying."... Are quotes I live by.

This was for a job that is only seven miles up the street from me. I can walk there, no problem. They have a guarded parking lot, so it's not like I can just walk in though.

I have a plan though, so I don't need that lame a** job anyway.

I've had phone interviews before and I got accepted, though it was after several phone interviews and conference calls. It was the most convenient way since I was still working abroad and applying to another country via an internet application. It's just like every job interview offline, you either get accepted or not.

Oh, they also told me they'd call me, and they did. Several times, actually.

They'll remember a face alot more than a phone voice...give it a shot