opinions are opinions, doesn't matter the basis...just because your for it doesn't make you right, just puts you in the "for it" crowd...and telling me that i am wrong for what i believe, your putting yourself in the same boat that your calling me... you have the right to believe what you want, but i don't, so your telling me i have to change... your just as bad as any other liberal out there, telling me what i have to believe in, and not have a different opinion than you...i thought you were a cool guy, but since your telling me what i have to believe in, your just another wanna be liberal...

That's easy. First, my position isn't based on "opinion". Second, if an action doesn't negatively impact other people, then it shouldn't be illegal. At least, not in a free Republic.

My support for gay marriage is based purely on the law and the character of our nation's founding, not on moral grounds. Your position is based on your dislike of homosexuality.

Homosexuality does effect the culture, the world in a negative way. Sex is for REPRODUCTION of the human race. That's it, period. Not for the pleasure, not for anything but reproduction. Homosexuality in any way can not achieve this. In fact with the someone being homosexual they are putting a negative effect on the culture in the essence they will never reproduce anyone, thus the hurting of the population, thus hurting of the world. Being homosexual is a selfish action, that person will never reproduce, their sexual actions is purely for the pleasure of them, thus it being selfish. And before you go off on like I'm bashing homosexuals in anyway, I'm not. Nor do I fear homosexuals in any way. I have homosexual friends, this is purely a discussion on the action in general, not putting down any specific person or group of people.

I didn't say you were wrong, where are you reading that?

I'm telling you that we live in a Republic and therefore our laws should allow all behaviors that won't directly impact other people. I don't personally support legalizing gay marriage, but at the same time I don't believe our Government has the authority to say who can or cannot get married. It's a slippery slope my friend. If we continue to allow the Government to assume authority that we have not given to them, where does it end?

If you want to support an Amendment that bans gay marriage, be my guest. I don't know if I would support it or not, but until the Government has the authority to say who can get married, I will always fall on the side of freedom and liberty.

So what other laws do you support to punish the selfish or prevent selfishness?

Should there be laws that make sex illegal, except in a marriage and then only for reproduction?

So what other laws do you support to punish the selfish or prevent selfishness?

Should there be laws that make sex illegal, except in a marriage and then only for reproduction?

My response wasn't particularly regarding the legality of homosexual marriage and or behaviour, or anything to do with legal business. This is a religion forum, not the law and politics.

there isn't one civilization that has survived PERIOD...embracing homosexuality or not. things don't last forever... they come and they go. GET OVER IT PEOPLE. atlantis, egypt, rome, great britain, america, and whoever's next will be next, it'z nature. GOD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. when r GROWN people gonna stop believing that everything that happens to us (basically everything we do to ourselves) is some reaction to some god in the sky who's either HAPPY or ANGRY with our behavior? u'r all a buncha slaves with a slave mentality thinking "MASSA" determines ur well being or demise. so sodom and gomorrah weren't EVIL, haiti isn't CURSED and santa clause doesn't really climb down chimneys.

if they did make such laws, how would you stop it?

Has it ever occurred to you that maybe Jesus never preached against Homosexuality (at least as recorded in the gospels) because he wanted to bring people to him, so that he could change their hearts? What good does it do to tell homosexuals that they are sinners? Aren't we all? Doesn't that just force them away from Christianity? If Jesus wants to change their hearts, he will. It's the job of Christians to get other people believing, not make them perfect.

Jesus changes no one's heart. That's all this person's choice. And yes Jesus did talk about homosexuality. Where do you think the disciples got their information they gave out? Jesus would talk with the disciples and they would go out telling the world. Could reach more people if multiple people were spreading the information rather then just one person. Why do you think the disciples were of importance? And why they were there? So Jesus wouldn't have to tell, speak, and or spread the laws all across the land by himself. What sense would it make to have one man do this and expect it to be done sufficiently? If not from Jesus, where did these disciples get their information they gave out?

All the knowledge Jesus gave out was about a man and a woman. Jesus NEVER condones male with male or female with female. If someone says this way is the right way, wouldn't that then mean any other way would not be? Yes of course it would be, or else the person would not have said for it to be done this way and not that way.

Matthew 19:4-9
4And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

7They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?

8He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

Jesus changes no one's heart.

Philippians 1:6
being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;

Philippians 2:13
for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

Philippians 3:9
and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.

see cowboy brings up an interesting thing,in the old testament homosexuality is an abomination,but in the new testament i guess it's ok,so cause jesus says it's ok then daddy(GOD)is wrong?

see cowboy brings up an interesting thing,in the old testament homosexuality is an abomination,but in the new testament i guess it's ok,so cause jesus says it's ok then daddy(GOD)is wrong?

Jesus is God and he gave those laws to Israel. Jesus didn't directly preach against homosexuality or prostitution. I think there is no doubt that Jesus counted homosexuals and prostitutes among his followers and he surely didn't berate them constantly or they wouldn't have been his followers in the first place. If he had done that, I'm sure one of the authors of the gospels would have thought to mention Jesus being kicked out of the house of a homosexual for insulting him.

Your constant fighting over widely accepted Christian doctrine makes Christianity look bad in the eyes of the non-Christians. I wish you would get your act together or stop talking about Christianity.









The Bible if fairly clear that Jesus can change our lives by lifting our burdens off of us...mainly because Jesus said he would do just that. That's changing the heart of the person, not because Jesus just wants to, but because he was asked to.

EDIT: Do you want to argue that God doesn't answer prayers now? I'm sure that will be a nice show for the non-Christians. I know of at least one whom I am sure will quote are current discussion and "prove" that Christianity is a false religion because we can't agree on anything.

so if jesus was god then who was he talking to when he said "forgive them father for they no not what they do"luke 23:34