I just realized that you *thought* I was comparing gay marriage to incest! Oh man, that's hilarious. It just went right over my head, because I have been arguing for gay marriage and I didn't think anyone could be so stupid as to think I opposed gay marriage or so illiterate as to misinterpret my post so that it seemed I was comparing homosexuality with incest.

It makes perfect sense when you see her other positions throughout the forums.

a rising tide lifts all boats. helps increase the number of happy children as well.

you folks sure do spew alot of personal innuendo here. have you ever heard the term, 'attack the post, not the poster'?

That's not innuendo. It's a comment on her posting style. I take your comment as a personal attack on my character. Why don't you just stick to attacking the posts, okay?

hey OKAY, think i'll make it a hobby to attack the posts of folks who engage in WHAT I CALL personal innuendo. doesn't matter if it's OKAY, btw.

Hey there! Incest has always been viewed as wrong by more cultures than those that allowed it. I think even in Egypt brother sister marriages can still happen but I am not sure. The fact is inbreeding is bad. Andy sane person with half a brain knows this!

Humans are mammals. Like all other mammals we have their instincts and natures. Now if for the most part all other mammal species posses some degree of homosexuality among them it is logical to assume (cough cough) that humans have the characteristic within our nature. But like anything people fear what they cannot understand.

Now for breeding, don't need a license to make a baby. Never have and never will have to. That is an issue about social acceptability. Most American social thinking about sex is based on Puritanical views. We are ingrained with traditional beliefs. But that does not change the fact some people are homosexual and others use any excuse to look down on them.

Worst is in the bible itself it says for us to "judge not lest we be judged," and here is an educated man like Pat Roberts spewing his brand of hate and judgement. the man cannot even honor his own damn bible. If anything he is a terrible Christian. It is sinners like him and those on this site that deserve to have their genitals whither away! To judge sight unseen is a sin! If a homosexual man was out to try to have sex (even forcefully) on others who were unwilling and not interested in experimentation that man is a rabid queer and a bad person and an embarrassment to the homosexual community. But many are monogamous and most are still good people. Even some homosexuals can be and are bad people. Hell, is it any difference if the "casting couch" is heterosexual or homosexual? People still use sex to advance themselves or make a living. Oddly I think prostitutes are actually hated more than homosexuals. And are Christians supposed to NOT hate people for any reason?

Even then only "little people" hate unjustifiably! I can hate a person for doing me wrong but to hate another person becasue their life style is different?

I seriously think there are a lot of people out there who either need a hug or a boot to the azz!

So if someone was born naturally desiring to murder people, it would be ok? Homosexuality doesn't harm anyone as killing someone would you may say, but it does. Sex is for reproduction PERIOD. It is the root of a lot of sexual diseases. And if it is not done for reproduction, you are hurting the world for misusing your genitals so to speak. Nothing productive comes of homosexuality.



No one is looking down on them, just trying to help. If you knew someone was planning on going somewhere and they told you how they were gonna get there, would you tell them if the road they were going to take leads to the middle of no where? Or would you just ignore it and let them drive that road? Where is the line between helping someone and "judging" someone? If you give your suggest to someone on how to fix something, are you judging them incapable of completing this job? Are you indirectly saying they are incompetent, stupid, or anything of that nature? No, I wouldn't think or hope so any ways. Just merely lending a helping hand to what you see as them doing possibly wrong and trying to help them fix this.



Did he say they were going to burn in hell for this action they choose to make? Did he say any specific person was going to miss out on heaven? If it is no to these questions, he did not judge anyone. Gotta keep the word in context. The judging in reference here is in the same essence of a judge in a court room. We ALL make a "Judgement" on things, that is our opinion. But a judgement in that essence is totally different from judging and condemning someone for their actions. And that is the judgement we have been told not to do. Totally disown a person for their behaviour, treat them differently for their actions. Again, this is the judging we are told not to do. An opinionated "judgement" comes naturally, it is what you do with that judgement that makes it wrong or not.



So two wrongs make a right? You just judged him on the level you're claiming he judged another. So why is it ok for you to say such a thing? But it's horribly wrong for him? Saying he said something as such.



Why are you so focused on hate? If someone doesn't like and or disagrees with your extracellular activities, they hate you? Just because someone doesn't agree with what another does, doesn't mean they hate them. Christians don't hate anyone. Hate is of the devil. Christians may disagree with what a person does or doesn't do and not like someone, but a Christian "hates" no one.

jesus people...quit misusing your genitals!!!

lol yeah wasn't the best way to say it, but was all I could think of lol. Genitals are for use in cleaning out the body of the unneeded liquids and for reproduction period. Not for finding physical pleasure or anything of such. Why is it so pleasing then you may ask? Because if sex wasn't pleasing, how fast and much would the world populate? God said to fill the Earth, but again if sex wasn't pleasing, how would this happen? Yes people would still do it to reproduce, but not nearly as much or as fast as they have with it being pleasing.

actually, no.

When you quote things, please include all that goes to the subject at hand. Picking parts out and not including the rest of the particular subject at hand takes it out of context and looses it's original meaning. So please, to not take a thread out in left field and to have a normal conversation, keep things in context. The question was just a question for thought, cause it was answered right after. So please, can we keep on subject? Most to all the threads in this forum get way off topic because of this, great tactic in discussions to frustrate and or confuse the person you're speaking with.

cowboy, i will quote or not quote whatever i want

Yes I realise this, great tactic at not discussing the matter at hand :) picking something out and exploiting on it hoping the thought train of the discussion will be rerouted. The subject will hopefully be lost in the discussion your hoping for. And this is the last response you will get from me until the subject gets back on track and the discussion returns to the subject that was at hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxUbwteSWVk

You laugh, you lose...

not me... i think it's sick, perverted and unnatural...do do it against someones will is even more perverted

Should your opinions be made law?

well, since they already are a law, that is a dumb question... but are not all laws based on someones opinion? your opinion is for gay marriage, mine is against it... why are you right and i'm wrong?

That's easy. First, my position isn't based on "opinion". Second, if an action doesn't negatively impact other people, then it shouldn't be illegal. At least, not in a free Republic.

My support for gay marriage is based purely on the law and the character of our nation's founding, not on moral grounds. Your position is based on your dislike of homosexuality.

opinions are opinions, doesn't matter the basis...just because your for it doesn't make you right, just puts you in the "for it" crowd...and telling me that i am wrong for what i believe, your putting yourself in the same boat that your calling me... you have the right to believe what you want, but i don't, so your telling me i have to change... your just as bad as any other liberal out there, telling me what i have to believe in, and not have a different opinion than you...i thought you were a cool guy, but since your telling me what i have to believe in, your just another wanna be liberal...