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Context is everything. If the bible were presented as just a read for men, chauvinistic men then it would be just a book, like it is. But it is presented in the context of the proof (unverifiable)that all non Christians are wrong and that the Christians are the golden children. Of which the bible is not proof of anything other than men have thoughts/imagination and write them down once in a while. So you got that from what I just quoted? You need to get some happy pills lady! Way too up tight! |
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Um ... OK ... People that don't believe in the Bible have been saying this for decades. Have yet to see anyone prove anything false in the Bible. Actually, I have a few stories of people that went out to prove it false and ended up being Christian in the process. Where are the people and evidence you suggest exists???? You made a wild claim that Abraham WILL be proven to be a fictional character. No evidence, just a BELIEF that will be true at some random point in the future. You know I just don't get these people either. I just spent a week of my time telling them how they can study and find out if this is true or not and as soon as I turn my back they are back to bashing (in the name of love). I'm afraid they are losing credibility with me bigtime. You know I find that funny, cause I see a lot of Christians bashing in the same way, in the name of their version of love. That's about the definition of the pot calling the kettle black if you ask me. Further, maybe some people HAVE studied, and just came to a different conclusion than you did. Just because they don't believe what you believe, doesn't mean they're wrong. This I find fascinating. Those that argue against Christianity are fairly angry, or at least appear to be, towards Christians. They get mad at Christians for being exclusionary and say that Christians hate. The Christian response is generally, just open your heart and accept people for who they are. Then these same people that beat up Christians, congratulate each other on how loving and accepting they are towards everyone, (except Christians but they never mention that.) No, we have no problem with you, EXCEPT when you shove your beliefs down our throats when we don't care to hear it. If you wanna believe what you do, that's fine, no one is going to tell you can't, even if we don't agree with it. But when you start to say your belief is for everyone, that's where you cross the line. It's a line many Christians cross, whether they realize it or not. So don't even tell me, that Christians accept people as they are, because if they did, they wouldn't push their ideas of change onto people who don't think or live their lives the way they do. Granted not all Christians may do that, but I'd bet a good portion of them do, be it consciously or subconsciously. Um, actually, the OP in this thread is saying I shouldn't believe in it and I am wrong to do so. But when you start to say your belief is for everyone, that's where you cross the line. Seriously? Your belief is for everyone - if they choose to accept it. Atheism is a for everyone - if they choose to accept it. Islam is for everyone - if they choose to accept it. Buddhism is for everyone - if they choose to accept it. Apparently, Christianity is not allowed in this category. Seems today's prevailing attitude is: "You can be Christian if you are now. That is OK. But you aren't allowed to infest others or your children with it." Poor victimized Christians, have had it their way so long they can't see the advantages they have had. Now it time to level the playing field and they are "being mistreated"...lol When you see the bible verse on the government building I bet you don't think, "how come there isn't a verse from all of these texts:" Ancient Greece Homeric Hymns Theogony [edit] Asatru Havamal Eddas [edit] Atenism Great Hymn to the Aten [edit] Ayyavazhi The Akilathirattu Ammanai The Arul Nool [edit] Bahá'í Faith The Kitáb-i-Aqdas Kitáb-i-Íqán other Bahá'í literature including works from other faiths [edit] Bön Bon Kangyur and Tengyur [edit] Buddhism Ancient style of scripture used for the Pāli Canon See also: Buddhist texts Theravada Buddhism The Tipitaka or Pāli Canon Vinaya Pitaka Sutta Pitaka Digha Nikaya, the "long" discourses. Majjhima Nikaya, the "middle-length" discourses. Samyutta Nikaya, the "connected" discourses. 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The Vendidad, describes the various forms of evil spirits and ways to confound them. shorter texts and prayers, the Yashts the five Nyaishes ("worship, praise"), the Sirozeh and the Afringans (blessings). There are some 60 secondary religious texts, none of which are considered scripture. The most important of these are: The Denkard (middle Persian, 'Acts of Religion'), The Bundahishn, (middle Persian, 'Primordial Creation') The Menog-i Khrad, (middle Persian, 'Spirit of Wisdom') The Arda Viraf Namak (middle Persian, 'The Book of Arda Viraf') The Sad-dar (modern Persian, 'Hundred Doors', or 'Hundred Chapters') The Rivayats, 15th-18th century correspondence on religious issues For general use by the laity: The Zend (lit. commentaries), various commentaries on and translations of the Avesta. The Khordeh Avesta, a collection of everyday prayers from the Avesta. Or how about swearing you in court. How come these books are not used since all religions are equal in this country? When there is a prayer at the ball game how come there isn't one said for all religions? When someone in the government speaks of god, how come they don't say god, gods and goddesses or whatever you believe in, instead of just saying one god for the Christian god? Poor poor Christians, having to concede some of their advantage in order to be fair. Sad days indeed.  we have the freedom to speak for ourself, not EVERYONE else, nor does everyone else have the right to dictate whom we speak for the logic here is like griping about why we choose to print literature primarily in english(hint, english is the predominant language spoken) or why we print 'e pluribus unum' on our coins instead of uno formato da diversi de muchos, un aus vielen, ein ,, or any other number of things that would have had the SAME MESSAGE ,, it seems the message is to be discarded if it can be tied in any way to literature which is 'religious',, which is a sad way of censoring some valid and relevant lessons and messages Not the same analogy anyway but no matter, if we are to respect all religions, we need to respect and acknowledge them all. If we cannot do that in order to respect them all we need to remove them from any public arena and all government period. We cannot just acknowledge/practice/show homage to one when we are aware of hundreds. And all religious books hold the same importance. So if we are to have them printed on things then we need to include them all or none if we cannot do that. Spoiled Christians sure have a hard time seeing outside of their advantage, that is for sure. I am not sure where this 'we' keeps coming from honestly INDIVIDUALS have the individual right to believe what they want and practice what they want so long as it breaks no LAWS... there is no law that says I cant pray and there is no law that says you must pray so, no, 'we' dont have to ASSURE that all religions are represented, we only have to make sure we dont IMPEDE upon any individuals right to represent their own belief, nor mandate what someone elses belief must be,,, there is no one book that can be reasonably expected to present ALL Beliefs, ALL religions , ALL texts but there is plenty of freedom for individuals to seek and choose the texts and beliefs that fit them,,, |
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Funny that works both ways, consider your assumptions too before you consider if I have any.
My issue is with the use of the bible as the answer to anything for all people, as it is not. If an individual finds solace in it, fine. But it is not for everyone, nor should it ever be used as proof of anything. Also, my issues are the spoiled Christians in this country who have had an advantage so long now they feel persecuted when the balance is being made for fairness to all. Considering that the bible is just a book, men of old contributed to, showing their chauvinistic views on the world of man, their fear of the unknown and their desire for control, it is interesting at those levels. It is great for showing men how to grow from the level of immaturity of the men who wrote the bible into better men and showing women that they had little value in days of old and need to assure that men are never allowed to put them at that value again. That is the level of learning tool we have here. |
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rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words;
rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher; rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation; rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions. |
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Neither fire nor wind, birth nor death can erase our good deeds.
Fill your mind with compassion. |
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I, that'd be "me", AM the golden child! |
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Pay no attention to the faults of others,
things done or left undone by others. Consider only what by oneself is done or left undone. |
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Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned.
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Funny that works both ways, consider your assumptions too before you consider if I have any. My issue is with the use of the bible as the answer to anything for all people, as it is not. If an individual finds solace in it, fine. But it is not for everyone, nor should it ever be used as proof of anything. Also, my issues are the spoiled Christians in this country who have had an advantage so long now they feel persecuted when the balance is being made for fairness to all. Considering that the bible is just a book, men of old contributed to, showing their chauvinistic views on the world of man, their fear of the unknown and their desire for control, it is interesting at those levels. It is great for showing men how to grow from the level of immaturity of the men who wrote the bible into better men and showing women that they had little value in days of old and need to assure that men are never allowed to put them at that value again. That is the level of learning tool we have here. Considering that the bible is just a book, men of old contributed to, showing their chauvinistic views on the world of man, their fear of the unknown and their desire for control, it is interesting at those levels. It is great for showing men how to grow from the level of immaturity of the men who wrote the bible into better men and showing women that they had little value in days of old and need to assure that men are never allowed to put them at that value again. ??? Can I ask you an honest question? What are you talking about? 1. There is no chauvinistic views on the world of any man. Men aren't "superior" to women, nor does the scriptures teach this. 2. The scriptures have no knowledge on controlling anything nor the knowledge on how to control anything but ourselves. 3. The scriptures don't teach that women have little value or importance. Women are to be praised, women are to be loved, women are to be taken care of in whatever troubles life may bring. Women are to be treated with the utmost respect and the greatest of all love a man can give. If I'm mistaken, please show me my error. |
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Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned. anger has no place in a heart filled with love. |
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On life's journey Faith is nourishment,
Virtuous deeds are a shelter, Wisdom is the light by day and Right mindfulness is the protection by night. If a man lives a pure life nothing can destroy him; If he has conquered greed nothing can limit his freedom. |
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Or maybe it is to reassure the mind control that the repetacism is needed. And to distract away from the real issues. They know that they can't argue against the obvious absurdities that are in the Bible, so they start shoving the brainwashing tactics of the dogma itself in the faces of others in the hope that it might actually work on other people like it worked on them. The whole brainwashing technique is to try to make it appear that anyone who questions these religious teachings is just a negative troublemaker. It's just supporting religious bigotry using a false notion of "love" as a weapon. Basically the most underhanded brainwashing technique ever devised by mankind. Certainly you know not to judge me in with any "them". Don't be a bigot dude, we've been through this. It's me talking about parts of a book I love and nothing else. Don't make it in to something that it is not again. I speak to the religious doctrine. Not to you personally. You just quoted that doctrine. However it does appear to be you who is using those verses to distract from the real issues of the the thread. There is nothing in anything that you've posted here that could be used to support or deny the credibility of the Bible. Clearly you are just trying to distract from those issues. So that part I do suggest is your doing. |
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I am not sure where this 'we' keeps coming from honestly INDIVIDUALS have the individual right to believe what they want and practice what they want so long as it breaks no LAWS... there is no law that says I cant pray and there is no law that says you must pray so, no, 'we' dont have to ASSURE that all religions are represented, we only have to make sure we dont IMPEDE upon any individuals right to represent their own belief, nor mandate what someone elses belief must be,,, there is no one book that can be reasonably expected to present ALL Beliefs, ALL religions , ALL texts but there is plenty of freedom for individuals to seek and choose the texts and beliefs that fit them,,, I guess "we" are the responsible members of this country who understand that "we" are responsible to make sure that our society is as fair as possible to all not just a majority. "We" are also the unselfish who understand that if religion were truly individual, as it should be, there would not be religious text from just one religious source sited on government entities for all people of all religions that live in this country to share equally as their government. It seems that makes those who are not "we", pretty selfish and bigoted. |
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Funny that works both ways, consider your assumptions too before you consider if I have any. My issue is with the use of the bible as the answer to anything for all people, as it is not. If an individual finds solace in it, fine. But it is not for everyone, nor should it ever be used as proof of anything. Also, my issues are the spoiled Christians in this country who have had an advantage so long now they feel persecuted when the balance is being made for fairness to all. Considering that the bible is just a book, men of old contributed to, showing their chauvinistic views on the world of man, their fear of the unknown and their desire for control, it is interesting at those levels. It is great for showing men how to grow from the level of immaturity of the men who wrote the bible into better men and showing women that they had little value in days of old and need to assure that men are never allowed to put them at that value again. That is the level of learning tool we have here. What street are you living on? I've got everything you can imagine on my street in the way of beliefs. Where did I put those love pills? |
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Or maybe it is to reassure the mind control that the repetacism is needed. And to distract away from the real issues. They know that they can't argue against the obvious absurdities that are in the Bible, so they start shoving the brainwashing tactics of the dogma itself in the faces of others in the hope that it might actually work on other people like it worked on them. The whole brainwashing technique is to try to make it appear that anyone who questions these religious teachings is just a negative troublemaker. It's just supporting religious bigotry using a false notion of "love" as a weapon. Basically the most underhanded brainwashing technique ever devised by mankind. Certainly you know not to judge me in with any "them". Don't be a bigot dude, we've been through this. It's me talking about parts of a book I love and nothing else. Don't make it in to something that it is not again. I speak to the religious doctrine. Not to you personally. You just quoted that doctrine. However it does appear to be you who is using those verses to distract from the real issues of the the thread. There is nothing in anything that you've posted here that could be used to support or deny the credibility of the Bible. Clearly you are just trying to distract from those issues. So that part I do suggest is your doing. Want to take a love pill with me? |
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rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words; rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher; rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation; rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions. What does that have to do with the credibility of the source? Moreover, one of the reasons that many people argue against the credibility of the Bible as a whole is because there are clearly derogatory and negative things in those texts. It is that negativity that they object to. They object to the negative things that are being held up in the name of some God. Such as social bigotry toward the loving lifestyle of certain groups of people, or even supporting religious bigotry in the name of a God. You can sift out great spiritual teachings from any religious philosophy. You don't need to support the biblical cannon as the infallible verbatim thoughts and directives of a God to do that. So again, what does any of that have to do with the credibility of holding up the entire biblical cannon as the infallible verbatim commandments, wishes, and directives of some God? |
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rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words; rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher; rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation; rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions. What does that have to do with the credibility of the source? Moreover, one of the reasons that many people argue against the credibility of the Bible as a whole is because there are clearly derogatory and negative things in those texts. It is that negativity that they object to. They object to the negative things that are being held up in the name of some God. Such as social bigotry toward the loving lifestyle of certain groups of people, or even supporting religious bigotry in the name of a God. You can sift out great spiritual teachings from any religious philosophy. You don't need to support the biblical cannon as the infallible verbatim thoughts and directives of a God to do that. So again, what does any of that have to do with the credibility of holding up the entire biblical cannon as the infallible verbatim commandments, wishes, and directives of some God? You don't see my point yet? look deeper buddy |
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rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words; rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher; rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation; rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions. What does that have to do with the credibility of the source? Moreover, one of the reasons that many people argue against the credibility of the Bible as a whole is because there are clearly derogatory and negative things in those texts. It is that negativity that they object to. They object to the negative things that are being held up in the name of some God. Such as social bigotry toward the loving lifestyle of certain groups of people, or even supporting religious bigotry in the name of a God. You can sift out great spiritual teachings from any religious philosophy. You don't need to support the biblical cannon as the infallible verbatim thoughts and directives of a God to do that. So again, what does any of that have to do with the credibility of holding up the entire biblical cannon as the infallible verbatim commandments, wishes, and directives of some God? Moreover, one of the reasons that many people argue against the credibility of the Bible as a whole is because there are clearly derogatory and negative things in those texts. It is that negativity that they object to. They object to the negative things that are being held up in the name of some God. What negative things in the bible? The bible is full of love and care for us all. Negative is merely a point of view, an opinion. Depending on how you wish to look at it is how it will appear to you. |
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mg wrote: Want to take a love pill with me? Not if it's going to cause me to support an often negative and asinine picture of a God in the name of Love. No thank you. I'm not going to support superstitious fables of Gods who punish women by causing them to have pain when given birth. I'm not going to support superstitious fables that some God had his son crucified to pay for the salvation of mankind and that all mankind are "sinners" and are basically the enemy of God in dire need of repentance. Nope, if that's the "love pill" that you have to offer then I want no parts of it mg. Sorry. But I'm not about to support derogatory pictures of a God in the name of "love". I won't go there. |
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rely on the spirit and meaning of the teachings, not on the words; rely on the teachings, not on the personality of the teacher; rely on real wisdom, not superficial interpretation; rely on the essence of your pure Wisdom Mind, not on judgmental perceptions. I do all of the above. I have deemed all the wisdom to be had from Christianity and the bible. I was raised Christian. I have outgrown them. My mind and spirit outgrew it years ago. |
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