Yep, I'm afraid I might have to stop using Webster and all the other materials known to define words and just make up my own meanings as I go.

Sometimes irony is classified into types: in situational irony, expectations aroused by a situation are reversed;

as in: when christians suggest that others should go beyond what is literally stated in the bible and dig 'deeper' into the potential meaning , it was stated that such a suggestion should not even be made or considered as it served no point

BUT

when christians DO go and take the literal definition of a word from a DICTIONARY, some of the same folks suggest that the christian needs to 'dig deeper' or 'look beyond' what is merely written in that book....

Im not sure how a QUESTION can be fallacious,,,

the comparison to sexual harassment was to make a CLEAR picture of how important it is to listen to what others are telling you about where THEY are coming from(seperate from where we THINK they should be coming from)...sometimes personal experience can lead to uniquely different points of reference

ironic how some dont think the dictionary should be an absolute authority


and some dont think the bible should be


I wonder how chaotic we might find our highly technological existence if we didnt give ANY written resource authority as a foundation,,,?



I Mean, kind of like a woman telling you she is feeling harassed by your action and arguing with her that thats her opinion,,, no kidding!..lol


how do we come to 'understanding' if we refuse to aknowledge what a speaker/writer's language is from THEIR point of reference?

so is it also ironic that some don't think that the koran should be an absolute authority??? have you "come to understanding" of islam??? you put the bible on the level of authority as the dictionary, do you give equal authority to the koran as about a billion people on the planet do??? or is that just your opinion???

You judge too quickly Mg. We have not walked in each others shoes. We can't know each other in brief and pointless conversations on the Internet. Who I am is not what I believe.

I am many people, and many things. Anyway, you are right. Nobody really cares what anyone else is doing or what they believe. We are all trying to find ourselves. We are pretty much alone as humans. Our personal relationship with the divine is all we have.

I have grown sad and weary looking at the cruelty in the world, and the wars. I see the conflicts having a lot to do with religious differences. I want to change the world but religions seem to lead us into war and conflict. It is senseless and illogical to murder each other.

So yes, I strike out at what I see is the enemy. Religious dogma, similar but different, that causes conflicts. I seek truth because only the truth can expose the lies. Only the truth can set us free.

I should give up altogether. Human consciousness will be what it is. There is not much I can do to change the world. I feel your pain and the pain and loneliness of the world. Tears form in my eyes, and a lump in my throat. My path is solitary and unique. It has to be.

The Messiah of love has come to the heart. There are no words to express love. Words only contaminate. Thought, beliefs contaminate. Only love is pure. Silence is golden and I should just shut up. No one really listens. I should know this all too well by now.

I want to send to you my deepest love.

Jean, I know your cool. I can tell by seeing you on other topics. I think that I just may not fit in these types of discussions on mingle.

I would feel bad to lose you mg. I know you are full of love and sincerity. Not to mention that you are totally hot.

I just want to say that I am very sorry if anything I said hurt you. I can get very 'hard' on topics and people sometimes. Stick around, and get to know us better. I have made a few really good friends on this club.

Oh I love mingle. I'm not going any where there. I just don't think maybe this part of the site is for me.

Since I don't really date, this is basically what Mingle is for me, the forums. What else is there? Looking at profiles?

I'm trying. I really am, but I can't get into these types of threads. I was thinking today while doing some listening how much of a waist of my time this has been. It's like I was sucked into this evil vortex or something and I was finding myself getting out of character with who I even am. Becoming part of the anger brew has never worked well for me.

I mean besides not liking people getting attacked, what do I really care if a handful of people on a dating site have a death wish for Christians. Who am I any way. I certainly don't come here to be enlightened by the scholarly or by those who have profound direction to their own lives. It's just a few people blowing steam and why not. There's no one here to hold anyone accountable, no one really has to meet and reason things out, and no one comes here to learn anything. It's just a bunch of people where some want to be themselves and others who think being yourself is a bad thing.

Honestly why would I care if a handful of people think they have this answer to the rise or fall of Christianity and yet I was sucked in. Sucked in like a virgin on a bad date. Wednesday of this week I did an interview with a magazine that has a fairly small crowd maybe 45 thousand readers. here I am spending time in a circle going nowhere fast while at the same time being asked questions by people who want to know something. Who want to actually take something and apply it to their lives. What was I thinking this last week? These are people who have said they could care less numerous times. Who have put up threads that are as close to hate crime threads toward other humans than I personally have ever witlessness. I can't imagine that this handful of people really have that much hate in their lives or the big need to pick apart every word to see if they can find any thing wrong. And when they can't find something wrong they make it wrong and get as many people to react as they can, again as if anyone cares what 5 or 6 bored people are saying.

It's a handful of people who will never listen to anyone and who are going no where. No where, I say to my self. But it's OK. This is what they choose to do with their time and I have no business stopping them. Maybe these issues are important to them and they really do think someone is listening. I would imagine that if I would not have put up my credentials that they would have said well who are you without study? But because I did they said we don't pay attention to that sort of thing, it doesn't matter. These people are obviously not here to explore truths but to prove that they actually might know something that maybe some will be impressed with enough to agree.

Trying to get to know these people on a personal basis is worthless, trying to mention that you have a though is meaningless to them, and trying do tell them that you really do care for them is looked at like "whats their religious angle". I can't imagine meeting these people on the street and having them be so defensive and mean, or even counter productive spinning around themselves and doing their best to spin others. I would bet they are really nice friendly people who would help you if they could or be there to listen to you if you had something to say or get off your chest. So again in my mind I wonder why they turn into little devils on this forum and try to do their best to turn you into one. In my walk I have been taught that when someone has to give a constant return rebuttal this is a sign that they themselves are searching and don't feel they have the answer. I see a lot of this here. No matter how much their questions are answered it only is used to come up with more questions that eventually leads to a play where they can declare they have found a leak in the dam. A leak in the dam to them is something they can use (whether it is a leak or not) to make their next argumentative attractive to the audience who isn't even there. I can see them clicking the refresh button with a fury to see if they got a response to their well thought out next move. And when that next move doesn't go their way well look at the name calling and childs play. I don't don't know if I have ever seen the word absurds relatives of words used so much in my life. False, lie, ridiculous and many more is the top of the reaction charts for these who can hold their own intellectuality reasoning. these are and always have been the cop (another one)words when there is no defense to offer. There words of dismissal based on the frustration of not being able to conduct your way with reason. My teachers in school on debate teams would have never allowed the use of these words because of the weakness they show to the other team. If you can support your thoughts these are the words to show your lack of readiness. Again as if anyone is listening.

Once again who cares! As if there are actually people up here who care! Heck I couldn't even put up a thread that talks about who we are without extreme attacks based on insecurities. All I was asking for was to get to know each other a little and it frighten the shoes off of some. It was rather surprising to me that people making such statements that effected others very lives could not even have the common courtesy to stand up and introduce themselves before blasting their stun guns. I actually had to start a thread about who are you cause some of the people here could not make up their own mind whether they wanted to be known. Who cares indeed that a group of unknown people make threats against others beliefs. These are people who have openly lied about their affiliations who can't answer the simple question "well then what do you believe?" and others who are just here to get in their uneducated (on the issues) pot shot on any topic they could.

So what do I care if this little group of people who no one pays attention to but themselves cuts down on Christians? I guess I don't. Should I let this group keep me from loving them? No I shouldn't. Is it worth my time to talk to these people? Not about faith they have none. Will I still come up here and enjoy fellowshipping with my brothers and sisters in Christ? You bet your boots any others who are spiritual without destructive tendencies. Do I wish all of these maybe 10 people happiness in all that they do? Absolutely without a doubt. Would I ask any of them to be on a research team with me? Not in a million years.

This week did teach me something. How easy it is to be caught in a little going nowhere bubble with a group of people who could "care less" about your personal views and how you came to have love in your life.

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was thinking today while doing some listening how much of a waist of my time this has been. It's like I was sucked into this evil vortex or something and I was finding myself getting out of character with who I even am. Becoming part of the anger brew has never worked well for me.

what do I really care if a handful of people on a dating site have a death wish for Christians.

There's no one here to hold anyone accountable,

no one really has to meet and reason things out

interview with a magazine that has a fairly small crowd maybe 45 thousand readers. here I am spending time in a circle going nowhere fast while at the same time being asked questions by people who want to know something. Who want to actually take something and apply it to their lives.

much hate in their lives or the big need to pick apart every word to see if they can find any thing wrong. And when they can't find something wrong they make it wrong and get as many people to react as they can, again as if anyone cares what 5 or 6 bored people are saying.

absolute authority was certainly the wrong term, I was suggesting authority in general

the dictionary is considered a resource of authority on word meanings, yet we can dig deeper

the bible is considered to be a resource of authority on Gods word, but we can dig deeper

and yes, even Islam, I believe is an authority of 'biblical age' history,,so I give it equal authority HISTORICALLY, and even some authority doctrinally as many of its doctrines are similar to those I believe in and which are in 'christian' learning,,

I'm trying. I really am, but I can't get into these types of threads. I was thinking today while doing some listening how much of a waist of my time this has been. It's like I was sucked into this evil vortex or something and I was finding myself getting out of character with who I even am. Becoming part of the anger brew has never worked well for me.

I mean besides not liking people getting attacked, what do I really care if a handful of people on a dating site have a death wish for Christians. Who am I any way. I certainly don't come here to be enlightened by the scholarly or by those who have profound direction to their own lives. It's just a few people blowing steam and why not. There's no one here to hold anyone accountable, no one really has to meet and reason things out, and no one comes here to learn anything. It's just a bunch of people where some want to be themselves and others who think being yourself is a bad thing.

Honestly why would I care if a handful of people think they have this answer to the rise or fall of Christianity and yet I was sucked in. Sucked in like a virgin on a bad date. Wednesday of this week I did an interview with a magazine that has a fairly small crowd maybe 45 thousand readers. here I am spending time in a circle going nowhere fast while at the same time being asked questions by people who want to know something. Who want to actually take something and apply it to their lives. What was I thinking this last week? These are people who have said they could care less numerous times. Who have put up threads that are as close to hate crime threads toward other humans than I personally have ever witlessness. I can't imagine that this handful of people really have that much hate in their lives or the big need to pick apart every word to see if they can find any thing wrong. And when they can't find something wrong they make it wrong and get as many people to react as they can, again as if anyone cares what 5 or 6 bored people are saying.

It's a handful of people who will never listen to anyone and who are going no where. No where, I say to my self. But it's OK. This is what they choose to do with their time and I have no business stopping them. Maybe these issues are important to them and they really do think someone is listening. I would imagine that if I would not have put up my credentials that they would have said well who are you without study? But because I did they said we don't pay attention to that sort of thing, it doesn't matter. These people are obviously not here to explore truths but to prove that they actually might know something that maybe some will be impressed with enough to agree.

Trying to get to know these people on a personal basis is worthless, trying to mention that you have a though is meaningless to them, and trying do tell them that you really do care for them is looked at like "whats their religious angle". I can't imagine meeting these people on the street and having them be so defensive and mean, or even counter productive spinning around themselves and doing their best to spin others. I would bet they are really nice friendly people who would help you if they could or be there to listen to you if you had something to say or get off your chest. So again in my mind I wonder why they turn into little devils on this forum and try to do their best to turn you into one. In my walk I have been taught that when someone has to give a constant return rebuttal this is a sign that they themselves are searching and don't feel they have the answer. I see a lot of this here. No matter how much their questions are answered it only is used to come up with more questions that eventually leads to a play where they can declare they have found a leak in the dam. A leak in the dam to them is something they can use (whether it is a leak or not) to make their next argumentative attractive to the audience who isn't even there. I can see them clicking the refresh button with a fury to see if they got a response to their well thought out next move. And when that next move doesn't go their way well look at the name calling and childs play. I don't don't know if I have ever seen the word absurds relatives of words used so much in my life. False, lie, ridiculous and many more is the top of the reaction charts for these who can hold their own intellectuality reasoning. these are and always have been the cop (another one)words when there is no defense to offer. There words of dismissal based on the frustration of not being able to conduct your way with reason. My teachers in school on debate teams would have never allowed the use of these words because of the weakness they show to the other team. If you can support your thoughts these are the words to show your lack of readiness. Again as if anyone is listening.

Once again who cares! As if there are actually people up here who care! Heck I couldn't even put up a thread that talks about who we are without extreme attacks based on insecurities. All I was asking for was to get to know each other a little and it frighten the shoes off of some. It was rather surprising to me that people making such statements that effected others very lives could not even have the common courtesy to stand up and introduce themselves before blasting their stun guns. I actually had to start a thread about who are you cause some of the people here could not make up their own mind whether they wanted to be known. Who cares indeed that a group of unknown people make threats against others beliefs. These are people who have openly lied about their affiliations who can't answer the simple question "well then what do you believe?" and others who are just here to get in their uneducated (on the issues) pot shot on any topic they could.

So what do I care if this little group of people who no one pays attention to but themselves cuts down on Christians? I guess I don't. Should I let this group keep me from loving them? No I shouldn't. Is it worth my time to talk to these people? Not about faith they have none. Will I still come up here and enjoy fellowshipping with my brothers and sisters in Christ? You bet your boots any others who are spiritual without destructive tendencies. Do I wish all of these maybe 10 people happiness in all that they do? Absolutely without a doubt. Would I ask any of them to be on a research team with me? Not in a million years.

This week did teach me something. How easy it is to be caught in a little going nowhere bubble with a group of people who could "care less" about your personal views and how you came to have love in your life.

I'm trying. I really am, but I can't get into these types of threads. I was thinking today while doing some listening how much of a waist of my time this has been. It's like I was sucked into this evil vortex or something and I was finding myself getting out of character with who I even am. Becoming part of the anger brew has never worked well for me.

I mean besides not liking people getting attacked, what do I really care if a handful of people on a dating site have a death wish for Christians. Who am I any way. I certainly don't come here to be enlightened by the scholarly or by those who have profound direction to their own lives. It's just a few people blowing steam and why not. There's no one here to hold anyone accountable, no one really has to meet and reason things out, and no one comes here to learn anything. It's just a bunch of people where some want to be themselves and others who think being yourself is a bad thing.

Honestly why would I care if a handful of people think they have this answer to the rise or fall of Christianity and yet I was sucked in. Sucked in like a virgin on a bad date.

Wednesday of this week I did an interview with a magazine that has a fairly small crowd maybe 45 thousand readers. here I am spending time in a circle going nowhere fast while at the same time being asked questions by people who want to know something. Who want to actually take something and apply it to their lives.

What was I thinking this last week? These are people who have said they could care less numerous times. Who have put up threads that are as close to hate crime threads toward other humans than I personally have ever witlessness. I can't imagine that this handful of people really have that much hate in their lives or the big need to pick apart every word to see if they can find any thing wrong. And when they can't find something wrong they make it wrong and get as many people to react as they can, again as if anyone cares what 5 or 6 bored people are saying.

It's a handful of people who will never listen to anyone and who are going no where. No where, I say to my self. But it's OK. This is what they choose to do with their time and I have no business stopping them. Maybe these issues are important to them and they really do think someone is listening. I would imagine that if I would not have put up my credentials that they would have said well who are you without study? But because I did they said we don't pay attention to that sort of thing, it doesn't matter. These people are obviously not here to explore truths but to prove that they actually might know something that maybe some will be impressed with enough to agree.

Trying to get to know these people on a personal basis is worthless, trying to mention that you have a though is meaningless to them, and trying do tell them that you really do care for them is looked at like "whats their religious angle". I can't imagine meeting these people on the street and having them be so defensive and mean, or even counter productive spinning around themselves and doing their best to spin others. I would bet they are really nice friendly people who would help you if they could or be there to listen to you if you had something to say or get off your chest.

This week did teach me something. How easy it is to be caught in a little going nowhere bubble with a group of people who could "care less" about your personal views and how you came to have love in your life.

Jean, I know your cool. I can tell by seeing you on other topics. I think that I just may not fit in these types of discussions on mingle.

so each of us as individuals assign authority as we pick and choose. you consider the bible an authority, i don't. my iranian friend considers the koran an authority, i don't nor would i think would you consider it an authority on how one should live. am i right? is authority only what we recognize as individuals?

"whats their religious angle". I can't imagine meeting these people on the street and having them be so defensive and mean
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I would bet they are really nice friendly people who would help you if they could or be there to listen to you if you had something to say or get off your chest. So again in my mind I wonder why they turn into little devils on this forum and try to do their best to turn you into one.

In my walk I have been taught that when someone has to give a constant return rebuttal this is a sign that they themselves are searching and don't feel they have the answer.

I see a lot of this here. No matter how much their questions are answered it only is used to come up with more questions that eventually leads to a play where they can declare they have found a leak in the dam. A leak in the dam to them is something they can use (whether it is a leak or not)

I can see them clicking the refresh button with a fury to see if they got a response to their well thought out next move.

And when that next move doesn't go their way well look at the name calling

False, lie, ridiculous and many more is the top of the reaction charts for these who can hold their own intellectuality reasoning.

There words of dismissal based on the frustration of not being able to conduct your way with reason. My teachers in school on debate teams would have never allowed the use of these words because of the weakness they show to the other team. If you can support your thoughts these are the words to show your lack of readiness. Again as if anyone is listening.

Heck I couldn't even put up a thread that talks about who we are without extreme attacks based on insecurities. All I was asking for was to get to know each other a little and it frighten the shoes off of some.