Topic: Non-profit religious charities - ulterior motive?
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Fri 06/03/11 10:54 PM
Edited by msharmony on Fri 06/03/11 10:54 PM



the nature of the business doesnt include children(unless its child prostitution)

but that would be like comparing all homosexuals with homosexuals who happen to prefer children

keeping it broad , a homosexual is no more/less likely to make a good 'parent' to a child than a prostitute

unless EITHER one is bringing their personal/sexual life AROUND the child,,,,


,,,,do you feel otherwise?


Msharmony I will say this again. I hope you read it this time.


Prostitution is ILLEGAL. That can't be a good environment for a child. Mommy would have to be bailed out of jail, her pimp might beat her up, etc. LOL

Being homosexual is not illegal. They are not breaking the laws.


As Red said, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Children and families are being discriminated against as far as benefits are concerned.









ok, so an extremely promiscuous woman GIVING IT AWAY for free with no risk of being incarcerated'

would be no further down on the list to adopt a child than a nun?

lifestyle does at some points intersect with raising children and parens lifestyles are and should be considered in deciding the better or BEST envronment for the child

it is idealistic to insist that ALL that is needed is love, but its not realistic or true,,,


LIFESTYLE - what are you talking about?

Have you even bothered to look up the criteria that ANY state might use for foster care or adoption? Do you know the rigorous routines, the programs, and lenght of time and all that people have to go through to be considered for either of these programs.

You have no idea the stress, the heartache, ther trials, and even sometimes the trauma that can be involved. And there you are throwing these idea around inserting prostituion and drug addictions, haphazardly as if the whole world views THOSE PEOPLE in some underworld light.

MY first reaction here was to say --- Shame on you - an all time low for you , I must say.

But then I understand that you are grasping at straws to make points for for which there is not rational view. So I can only assume you have, as you have done in the past, not bothered to look up and ACTUAL inforamtion about this discussion.

Definately not a good role model for MyLifeToday, but then he only needs to look in the mirror to find his hero. Where do you look for your heros?




my parents, other people who sacrifice and work hard for not just their own advancement and comfort, but others as well

Im not trying to be a role model for anyone grown. I have nothing to e ashamed of when trying to explain the very REAL emotion and opinion that some have regarding what is 'best' for children.

My discussion with Kleisto served a purpose of discrediting the idea that RELIGOUS people discriminate towards the harm of children when they dont wish them to be raised by homosexuals. It is a lifestyle that many RELIGIOUS people see as inappropriate for a child to be raised in. Just as the lifestyle of a prostitute may seem an inappropriate environment for a child to others.

IN reality, the prostitute has made a lifestyle choice as well.Hers just happens to be illegal. And because it is illegal, people consider it BAD. That is evident by the 'uproar' being made over me mentioning the lifestyle of a prostitute with that of a Homosexual.

In other words, isnt it enlightening, someone as 'non religous' as Kleisto and others look down so much on the lifestyle of a prostitute as to be INSULTED by the comparison, yet they will insist that others should not feel just as passionate concerining the homosexual lifestyle.

perhaps I should feel ashamed? or perhaps those so enraged at the comparison to a lowly prostitute should feel a bit hypocritcial when they continually preach that others should live and let live and not look down on others or judge.

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Fri 06/03/11 11:06 PM
I don't look down on prostitutes or prostitution I just know that an illegal lifestyle is not a good place for children because of the involvement of law enforcement, courts, jails etc.

I think prostitution should be legalized.

I think pot should be legalized.

Hell, legalize drugs too. They are legal anyway and most addicts are addicted to prescription (legal)drugs anyway.

Many wealthy upstanding citizens regularly raise children and do crack every weekend.

But some things are illegal.

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Fri 06/03/11 11:08 PM

I don't look down on prostitutes or prostitution I just know that an illegal lifestyle is not a good place for children because of the involvement of law enforcement, courts, jails etc.

I think prostitution should be legalized.

I think pot should be legalized.

Hell, legalize drugs too. They are legal anyway and most addicts are addicted to prescription (legal)drugs anyway.

Many wealthy upstanding citizens regularly raise children and do crack every weekend.

But some things are illegal.


and I dont consider you to be hypocritical, even when we disagree, you are one of the more consistent posters I interact with

I enjoy our discussions,,,flowerforyou

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Fri 06/03/11 11:11 PM

everyone has a right to their own opinion... but what about the kids... do they want to be with an SS couple? i always here about gay rights, but do the kids have any rights and freedoms in this matter?


Yes, the kids' rights are unfought for.

We must give them the right to choose to live or die when they are embrios -- as well as the right to vote in federal elections, and the right to stay up and play nintendo and eat as much chocolate ice cream as they want.

Power brother! (kid brother.)

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Fri 06/03/11 11:24 PM








why? when GENDER is a SIGNIFICANT factor in creating a child should it suddenly have no MERIT or SIGNIFICANCE In raising one?


Because there can be good parents as heterosexuals, just as much as homosexuals, even as much as single parents. Gender does not automatically equal a good parent nor should it be the main factor looked at.



a prostitute is not automatically a bad parent either, or an 'escort', but Im sure it weighs pretty heavily on a decision of adoption based upon the 'environment' that would no doubt accompany that type of lifestyle,,,


a prostitute, should not be ruled out as a good parent either, BUT , unless no other options are available, Im sure she would likewise be often pushed down to the bottom of the 'good , better, best' list


Here we go with the extremes again....

(sigh) When are you going to understand that a prostitute, a drug addict, is not anywhere CLOSE to a homosexual loving couple? To try and compare them like that, makes you just look plain stupid. It is not a fair comparision AT ALL.


Why is a prostitute a bad comparison? What makes her bad and a homosexual couple good?


That a question I'm trying to find the answer to. I hope either you or Msharmony will share a response.


You're asking the wrong person. I'm saying there is no difference.


So explain what msharmony failed to. What is this role model think you are stuck on. What is its funcion and how does help or hurt a child who does not have both a male and female adult in their household?


I already said this a few times. I wasn't going to answer because the posts were after your earlier replies.

Men and women are different. Physically, emotionally and mentally.

You asked if there isn't inherent male and female traits. Of course.

But we are talking about raising a kid to be a healthy functioning adult. If your statement is true, we should be able to throw all kids into a warehouse and let them grow up however they choose. That should be no different than having parents.

I have never seen any other male or female role model in situations that I saw my parents in. You see how they resolve difficulties and how they love and how the two different genders react to the same information.

You see first hand the difference in how the genders deal with things and how they prioritize. You also see how they compliment each other in resolving difficult situations.

Men are better at some things and women are better at some things as well.

There are big differences in the genders that you see in an intimate way within your household growing up. You would miss that in a unisex house.

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Fri 06/03/11 11:28 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 06/03/11 11:30 PM




the nature of the business doesnt include children(unless its child prostitution)

but that would be like comparing all homosexuals with homosexuals who happen to prefer children

keeping it broad , a homosexual is no more/less likely to make a good 'parent' to a child than a prostitute

unless EITHER one is bringing their personal/sexual life AROUND the child,,,,


,,,,do you feel otherwise?


Msharmony I will say this again. I hope you read it this time.


Prostitution is ILLEGAL. That can't be a good environment for a child. Mommy would have to be bailed out of jail, her pimp might beat her up, etc. LOL

Being homosexual is not illegal. They are not breaking the laws.


As Red said, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Children and families are being discriminated against as far as benefits are concerned.









ok, so an extremely promiscuous woman GIVING IT AWAY for free with no risk of being incarcerated'

would be no further down on the list to adopt a child than a nun?

lifestyle does at some points intersect with raising children and parens lifestyles are and should be considered in deciding the better or BEST envronment for the child

it is idealistic to insist that ALL that is needed is love, but its not realistic or true,,,


LIFESTYLE - what are you talking about?

Have you even bothered to look up the criteria that ANY state might use for foster care or adoption? Do you know the rigorous routines, the programs, and lenght of time and all that people have to go through to be considered for either of these programs.

You have no idea the stress, the heartache, ther trials, and even sometimes the trauma that can be involved. And there you are throwing these idea around inserting prostituion and drug addictions, haphazardly as if the whole world views THOSE PEOPLE in some underworld light.

MY first reaction here was to say --- Shame on you - an all time low for you , I must say.

But then I understand that you are grasping at straws to make points for for which there is not rational view. So I can only assume you have, as you have done in the past, not bothered to look up and ACTUAL inforamtion about this discussion.

Definately not a good role model for MyLifeToday, but then he only needs to look in the mirror to find his hero. Where do you look for your heros?




my parents, other people who sacrifice and work hard for not just their own advancement and comfort, but others as well

Im not trying to be a role model for anyone grown. I have nothing to e ashamed of when trying to explain the very REAL emotion and opinion that some have regarding what is 'best' for children.

My discussion with Kleisto served a purpose of discrediting the idea that RELIGOUS people discriminate towards the harm of children when they dont wish them to be raised by homosexuals. It is a lifestyle that many RELIGIOUS people see as inappropriate for a child to be raised in. Just as the lifestyle of a prostitute may seem an inappropriate environment for a child to others.

IN reality, the prostitute has made a lifestyle choice as well.Hers just happens to be illegal. And because it is illegal, people consider it BAD. That is evident by the 'uproar' being made over me mentioning the lifestyle of a prostitute with that of a Homosexual.

In other words, isnt it enlightening, someone as 'non religous' as Kleisto and others look down so much on the lifestyle of a prostitute as to be INSULTED by the comparison, yet they will insist that others should not feel just as passionate concerining the homosexual lifestyle.

perhaps I should feel ashamed? or perhaps those so enraged at the comparison to a lowly prostitute should feel a bit hypocritcial when they continually preach that others should live and let live and not look down on others or judge.


I don't judge the person for their lifestyle choices to be a prostitute or even a drug addict. Hell I have had my own issues in different ways so I'd be a hypocrite to put them down in that regard. I don't know that their choices are in their best interests however.

Now with all that said, this is why I think the comparisions of prostitutes and drug addicts are not fair. Firstly, in the case of the prostitute, they are engaging in risky behavior, partially due to the fact that it is illegal as has been mentioned. This puts the parent at risk, as well as the safety of the child should anything ever happen. That's to say nothing of what the child is liable to be exposed to, which could be another problem depending on how the prostitute goes about his or her business.

In the case of the drug addict, there is some potential to put the child in danger depending on how the druggie gets their fix. If the drug addict runs with a bad crowd, the safety and well being of the child could in fact be compromised. Furthermore, I would question the drug addict's ability to care for the child properly in terms of both financially, and not letting the drug use come before them.

None of this comes into play with a loving same sex couple, with everything else assumed to be normal in their day to day life. The only "issue" is the fact that they are same sex, that's it. Comparing that one minor detail to others I have mentioned here, is like night and day, the difference is that big.

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Fri 06/03/11 11:40 PM



the nature of the business doesnt include children(unless its child prostitution)

but that would be like comparing all homosexuals with homosexuals who happen to prefer children

keeping it broad , a homosexual is no more/less likely to make a good 'parent' to a child than a prostitute

unless EITHER one is bringing their personal/sexual life AROUND the child,,,,


,,,,do you feel otherwise?


Msharmony I will say this again. I hope you read it this time.


Prostitution is ILLEGAL. That can't be a good environment for a child. Mommy would have to be bailed out of jail, her pimp might beat her up, etc. LOL

Being homosexual is not illegal. They are not breaking the laws.


As Red said, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.

Children and families are being discriminated against as far as benefits are concerned.









ok, so an extremely promiscuous woman GIVING IT AWAY for free with no risk of being incarcerated'

would be no further down on the list to adopt a child than a nun?

lifestyle does at some points intersect with raising children and parens lifestyles are and should be considered in deciding the better or BEST envronment for the child

it is idealistic to insist that ALL that is needed is love, but its not realistic or true,,,


LIFESTYLE - what are you talking about?

Have you even bothered to look up the criteria that ANY state might use for foster care or adoption? Do you know the rigorous routines, the programs, and lenght of time and all that people have to go through to be considered for either of these programs.

You have no idea the stress, the heartache, ther trials, and even sometimes the trauma that can be involved. And there you are throwing these idea around inserting prostituion and drug addictions, haphazardly as if the whole world views THOSE PEOPLE in some underworld light.

MY first reaction here was to say --- Shame on you - an all time low for you , I must say.

But then I understand that you are grasping at straws to make points for for which there is not rational view. So I can only assume you have, as you have done in the past, not bothered to look up and ACTUAL inforamtion about this discussion.

Definately not a good role model for MyLifeToday, but then he only needs to look in the mirror to find his hero. Where do you look for your heros?




I find it flat amazing that because I have a different opinion from them that I am now a bigot and narcissistic.

And these opinions are based solely upon my belief that a child is better off in a heterosexual home.

I am just amazed at how intolerant people are towards me because I actually will stand for something. Then they yell at me saying I'm intolerant.

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Sat 06/04/11 12:41 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Sat 06/04/11 12:43 AM
mylifetoday,

You certainly have a right to believe that way.

If I were a young woman, and I wanted to raise a family the traditional way, I would actually look for a man exactly like you with your traditional values. flowerforyou

I'm not that person, and I never did want to raise a family, but I'm just saying that if I were...

There was a time when I considered it, and I could not find such a man.

Be who you are, there is nothing wrong with that.






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Sat 06/04/11 01:10 AM

mylifetoday,

You certainly have a right to believe that way.

If I were a young woman, and I wanted to raise a family the traditional way, I would actually look for a man exactly like you with your traditional values. flowerforyou

I'm not that person, and I never did want to raise a family, but I'm just saying that if I were...

There was a time when I considered it, and I could not find such a man.

Be who you are, there is nothing wrong with that.








Thank you! flowerforyou


You're sweet and a good woman. drinker :heart:

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Wed 06/15/11 01:01 PM
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities and against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places.. Ephesians 6

the American government has strayed over the years from the foundation in which it was established. Initially it was founded on Christian values.. And then we became so populated or shall I say polluted with other cultures and permitted every faith known to man.. And enforced laws that would protect their right to worship their God. But what is happening the world is setting up its own order. A christian cannot serve Christ whole heartedly without breaking these man made laws. Its not Ok under any circumstances to compromise the Truth. So if a Christian is not willing to go to jail for Christ He or she can jump on the world bandwagon and serve the ruler of it. Thats whats happening. Non profit organizations sign forms to exempt taxation agreeing not to make any remarks that will offend the Homo sexual, or the abortion prochoicers. The Church should have never entered into that agreement in the first place. The Body Of Christ should stand firm on their faith, and fight the good fight. And may God protect the children and provide each of them with a good, decent christian home.. In the name of Jesus the 1 true God


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Wed 06/15/11 01:39 PM

For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities and against the spiritual forces of evil in heavenly places.. Ephesians 6

the American government has strayed over the years from the foundation in which it was established. Initially it was founded on Christian values.. And then we became so populated or shall I say polluted with other cultures and permitted every faith known to man.. And enforced laws that would protect their right to worship their God. But what is happening the world is setting up its own order. A christian cannot serve Christ whole heartedly without breaking these man made laws. Its not Ok under any circumstances to compromise the Truth. So if a Christian is not willing to go to jail for Christ He or she can jump on the world bandwagon and serve the ruler of it. Thats whats happening. Non profit organizations sign forms to exempt taxation agreeing not to make any remarks that will offend the Homo sexual, or the abortion prochoicers. The Church should have never entered into that agreement in the first place. The Body Of Christ should stand firm on their faith, and fight the good fight. And may God protect the children and provide each of them with a good, decent christian home.. In the name of Jesus the 1 true God





its a good point buck, but then what can these 'churches' do if they want to be a part of finding homes for children who need them?

certainly that is a 'christian' thing to do, helping children

should these government mandates keep them from being involved at all or is there someway they can be involved without the involvement of government?

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Thu 06/16/11 05:05 AM

the American government has strayed over the years from the foundation in which it was established. Initially it was founded on Christian values.. And then we became so populated or shall I say polluted with other cultures and permitted every faith known to man..



i've yet to read the words "christian values" anywhere in the constitution. but i do wonder if you consider counting blacks as 2/3 human, or not allowing women to vote or forbiding laws to abolish slavery as "christian values" all of which were mandated in the original document. and did you derive your ethics that allow you to call other cultures "polluted" from your church? is that what you call "christian values???" if so, it sure doesn't sound like the equal liberties i've come to value in our constitution now amendended twenty seven times since it's original founding on what you call "christian values."

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Thu 06/16/11 08:34 AM

values.. And then we became so populated or shall I say polluted with other cultures


Early Christian America became polluted with other cultures?

This kind of thinking only contributes to the hate and violence in the world.

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Thu 06/16/11 10:37 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Thu 06/16/11 10:38 AM


values.. And then we became so populated or shall I say polluted with other cultures


Early Christian America became polluted with other cultures?

This kind of thinking only contributes to the hate and violence in the world.


That is not what America is polluted with. We are polluted with hard core ruthless CRIMINALS. Zionists. They are called "The brothers of the snake." "The Illuminati" "The dragon." "The Babylonian Brotherhood"

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Thu 06/16/11 11:22 AM
someone is not very familiar with history..... The Pilgrims were christian..

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Thu 06/16/11 12:08 PM
Edited by jrbogie on Thu 06/16/11 12:09 PM
yes, many are not familiar with history. the pilgrims did not found this country.

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Thu 06/16/11 12:30 PM
Politicians swear into office by placing there hand on the BIBLE and swear to uphold the constitution..and then disregard both..

The pilgrims are basic to America. They are the founders of our society, our culture, our republic,

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Thu 06/16/11 12:59 PM
the pilgrims are founders of no society i live in. and which sections of the constitution are not being upheld by takers of the oath? btw, a hand on the bible is at the discreation of the one taking the oath. recently a congressman was sworn in with his hand on the koran. several have used the talmud.

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Thu 06/16/11 01:12 PM
Im not surprised that the word culture offended some of you especially in the same sentence as polluted. Then answer why the great Psalmist Solomon did evil in the sight of God? He multiplied wives,some of different culture and worshiped their gods instead of the one true God.. The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

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Thu 06/16/11 01:36 PM
there is a big difference in upholding the constitution that violates every commandment, than upholding Gods soveriegn Law..