Topic: Non-profit religious charities - ulterior motive?
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Fri 06/03/11 06:16 PM




why? when GENDER is a SIGNIFICANT factor in creating a child should it suddenly have no MERIT or SIGNIFICANCE In raising one?


Because there can be good parents as heterosexuals, just as much as homosexuals, even as much as single parents. Gender does not automatically equal a good parent nor should it be the main factor looked at.



a prostitute is not automatically a bad parent either, or an 'escort', but Im sure it weighs pretty heavily on a decision of adoption based upon the 'environment' that would no doubt accompany that type of lifestyle,,,


a prostitute, should not be ruled out as a good parent either, BUT , unless no other options are available, Im sure she would likewise be often pushed down to the bottom of the 'good , better, best' list


Here we go with the extremes again....

(sigh) When are you going to understand that a prostitute, a drug addict, is not anywhere CLOSE to a homosexual loving couple? To try and compare them like that, makes you just look plain stupid. It is not a fair comparision AT ALL.


Why is a prostitute a bad comparison? What makes her bad and a homosexual couple good?

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Fri 06/03/11 06:19 PM



Why don't we just make a list of people who might not be as acceptable as a heterosexual couple.

Is being heterosexual the only requirement for the best possible couple for adopting a child?

Or would a Christian couple where the man had a great income and the woman was a home maker be the best possible couple.

Wouldn't that be better than most other kinds of couples?

What you are is old world traditional.

You like marriage, the man works, the woman cooks and cleans and raises the children. Ozzie and Harriet. Little house on the Prairie. Typical family values kind of guy.

Yes, in a perfect world maybe according to you.

But that is not the real world.




You are pretty close with the exception of what I think a man and woman should do in a marriage. I have no problem with my wife working if she chooses. I would be very proud of her if she chooses to. I would also be very proud of her if she chose to stay at home to raise the kids. I would be willing to stay at home and raise the kids if that worked best as well. But being a man, I feel responsible to provide for and protect my family. So in general, I would love for her to want to stay home but I certainly wouldn't try to talk her into that if she wanted to work.

As far as what is good to be as adoptive parents, I wouldn't want a devil worshiper to adopt but other than that, if they have a good home, that is all that really would matter. I don't care what their faith is. I may take a second look if they were Muslim, but mostly because of how oppressive their faith is. There have been honor killings of children in the US before.


Okay if I were giving up my child for adoption I would definitely not want a Muslim couple to adopt it. I know what they do to the women and its down right criminal.

P.S. I don't think Lucifer and the Devil are the same thing.

In fact is has been stated that the statue of Liberty symbolizes Lucifer the Light bearer. That was on the History channel and was stated by an expert.

If this is mostly a Christian country, why do we have a statue of Lucifer in the New York Harbor? Someone should tear it down. Most people don't know that is what it symbolizes. There are Luciferian cults that do know this though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iZBVh1mHGY






I agree, when I first heard what the Statue of Liberty actually represented that the French offered, I was truly surprised the leaders of our country were not offended by the gift.

However, at that time if a gift was offered, it was accepted with gratitude. I think we did a good job of taking this snub and turning it to a positive piece of our history.

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Fri 06/03/11 06:20 PM








You can have your opinion.

Why can't I have mine?

I don't agree with yours. So what? Why does that bother you so much?

They already are going with your opinion. I disagree with what is already happening. Why do you feel you need to defend this so strongly?

I never said a homosexual couple was incapable of raising a child.


Oh NOWWWWW you're gonna backpedal. If you don't think they are incapable, than give them a damn chance!

I don't care if you agree with me or not, you can have your view, but when your view is directly or indirectly effecting others lives as would be in a case like this, that's where I have a problem. And that's where I feel a need to defend this, because this is bad for the kids as it means less chances to find a home for them, and discriminates against loving couples who would love to give them that home.


I'm not backpedaling.

If you care to look, I always said kids are better off in a heterosexual home. I never said that a homosexual home is bad.

This whole debate stared because the Catholic church was forced to decide if allowing a homosexual couple adopt was better than closing their doors. Each was an equally abhorrent choice they had to make. They had to choose the lessor of two evils. Renounce one of their tenants as being false. That is a church body standing up and saying, "We are wrong on what sin is." Or, abandon their cause to help children.


Now you're just twisting words, cause you infer that the homosexual home is bad, when you suggest a heterosexual home is better. You can't get around that.

As for the church, I'd say perhaps admitting they were wrong would be an improvement, because they are, but that's just me.


No, that is your interpretation of what I mean by better.

Levels are good - better - best.

I have been thinking all along that a homosexual family can be good. You did not know what was in my head.


As for the church, I'd say perhaps admitting they were wrong would be an improvement, because they are, but that's just me.


Are you now the arbiter of what is right and wrong?


Why didn't you say it then to start with?

Is the church? Can they speak for God?


You never bothered to ask. You just started yelling saying I was wrong.


Well, if you think they can be good, why not give them a chance to prove it then? Put your money where your mouth is.



Um, perhaps you were not listening this entire time?

I would prefer to put the child in the best environment possible. Why settle for good when you can have better or best?

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Fri 06/03/11 06:23 PM


can you explain why a loving prostitute is not like a loving parent from any other demographic? isnt that a discriminatory attitude?

whats stupid about it? to say its nothing close seems quite 'discriminatory' to me.....

wasnt it posted before what people do in their personal life shouldnt be anyones business

so as long as a parent loves a child, what difference does it make what their sexual lifestyle is?



DUH!!

Because prostitution is ILLEGAL in most states.

Nevada being the exception.



Not only that, but that environment is not healthy for the kid anyway, and you damn well know it msharmony.


Why is it less healthy than a homosexual relationship.

The entire argument stems from their sexual preference is no importance.

In general Prostitutes do not work out of their home. So how is it worse?

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Fri 06/03/11 06:25 PM




As far as what is good to be as adoptive parents, I wouldn't want a devil worshiper to adopt but other than that, if they have a good home, that is all that really would matter. I don't care what their faith is. I may take a second look if they were Muslim, but mostly because of how oppressive their faith is. There have been honor killings of children in the US before.


Could make the argument that Christianity at times can be as oppressive. Just saying.


Um, not even close.

That would be like comparing a mansion to a hovel and saying they are the same because they both provide shelter.


Explain what's different from a Muslim man pushing his religion on his kids, and a Christian man pushing his?


Um, because the Muslim faith says you must be Muslim. They have very little tolerance for other faiths. That and they have a very oppressive life style.

Let me ask you. Would you prefer to live in Saudi Arabia or the Vatican? Why?

Kleisto's photo
Fri 06/03/11 06:25 PM









You can have your opinion.

Why can't I have mine?

I don't agree with yours. So what? Why does that bother you so much?

They already are going with your opinion. I disagree with what is already happening. Why do you feel you need to defend this so strongly?

I never said a homosexual couple was incapable of raising a child.


Oh NOWWWWW you're gonna backpedal. If you don't think they are incapable, than give them a damn chance!

I don't care if you agree with me or not, you can have your view, but when your view is directly or indirectly effecting others lives as would be in a case like this, that's where I have a problem. And that's where I feel a need to defend this, because this is bad for the kids as it means less chances to find a home for them, and discriminates against loving couples who would love to give them that home.


I'm not backpedaling.

If you care to look, I always said kids are better off in a heterosexual home. I never said that a homosexual home is bad.

This whole debate stared because the Catholic church was forced to decide if allowing a homosexual couple adopt was better than closing their doors. Each was an equally abhorrent choice they had to make. They had to choose the lessor of two evils. Renounce one of their tenants as being false. That is a church body standing up and saying, "We are wrong on what sin is." Or, abandon their cause to help children.


Now you're just twisting words, cause you infer that the homosexual home is bad, when you suggest a heterosexual home is better. You can't get around that.

As for the church, I'd say perhaps admitting they were wrong would be an improvement, because they are, but that's just me.


No, that is your interpretation of what I mean by better.

Levels are good - better - best.

I have been thinking all along that a homosexual family can be good. You did not know what was in my head.


As for the church, I'd say perhaps admitting they were wrong would be an improvement, because they are, but that's just me.


Are you now the arbiter of what is right and wrong?


Why didn't you say it then to start with?

Is the church? Can they speak for God?


You never bothered to ask. You just started yelling saying I was wrong.


Well, if you think they can be good, why not give them a chance to prove it then? Put your money where your mouth is.



Um, perhaps you were not listening this entire time?

I would prefer to put the child in the best environment possible. Why settle for good when you can have better or best?


Because I don't think you can easily define that just by gender, each child has different needs, and every possible couple offers different things. They should be judged on their own merit, not on gender.

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Fri 06/03/11 06:27 PM





As far as what is good to be as adoptive parents, I wouldn't want a devil worshiper to adopt but other than that, if they have a good home, that is all that really would matter. I don't care what their faith is. I may take a second look if they were Muslim, but mostly because of how oppressive their faith is. There have been honor killings of children in the US before.


Could make the argument that Christianity at times can be as oppressive. Just saying.


Um, not even close.

That would be like comparing a mansion to a hovel and saying they are the same because they both provide shelter.


Explain what's different from a Muslim man pushing his religion on his kids, and a Christian man pushing his?


Um, because the Muslim faith says you must be Muslim. They have very little tolerance for other faiths. That and they have a very oppressive life style.


And the Christian faith doesn't say you must be Christian, or has tolerance for other faiths? You're like the pot calling the kettle black dude.

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Fri 06/03/11 06:28 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 06/03/11 06:28 PM



can you explain why a loving prostitute is not like a loving parent from any other demographic? isnt that a discriminatory attitude?

whats stupid about it? to say its nothing close seems quite 'discriminatory' to me.....

wasnt it posted before what people do in their personal life shouldnt be anyones business

so as long as a parent loves a child, what difference does it make what their sexual lifestyle is?



DUH!!

Because prostitution is ILLEGAL in most states.

Nevada being the exception.



Not only that, but that environment is not healthy for the kid anyway, and you damn well know it msharmony.


Why is it less healthy than a homosexual relationship.

The entire argument stems from their sexual preference is no importance.

In general Prostitutes do not work out of their home. So how is it worse?


Because the homosexual lifestyle is not endangering the child or setting a bad example of behavior, where the prostitute lifestyle can. This is really not that hard.

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Fri 06/03/11 06:30 PM










You can have your opinion.

Why can't I have mine?

I don't agree with yours. So what? Why does that bother you so much?

They already are going with your opinion. I disagree with what is already happening. Why do you feel you need to defend this so strongly?

I never said a homosexual couple was incapable of raising a child.


Oh NOWWWWW you're gonna backpedal. If you don't think they are incapable, than give them a damn chance!

I don't care if you agree with me or not, you can have your view, but when your view is directly or indirectly effecting others lives as would be in a case like this, that's where I have a problem. And that's where I feel a need to defend this, because this is bad for the kids as it means less chances to find a home for them, and discriminates against loving couples who would love to give them that home.


I'm not backpedaling.

If you care to look, I always said kids are better off in a heterosexual home. I never said that a homosexual home is bad.

This whole debate stared because the Catholic church was forced to decide if allowing a homosexual couple adopt was better than closing their doors. Each was an equally abhorrent choice they had to make. They had to choose the lessor of two evils. Renounce one of their tenants as being false. That is a church body standing up and saying, "We are wrong on what sin is." Or, abandon their cause to help children.


Now you're just twisting words, cause you infer that the homosexual home is bad, when you suggest a heterosexual home is better. You can't get around that.

As for the church, I'd say perhaps admitting they were wrong would be an improvement, because they are, but that's just me.


No, that is your interpretation of what I mean by better.

Levels are good - better - best.

I have been thinking all along that a homosexual family can be good. You did not know what was in my head.


As for the church, I'd say perhaps admitting they were wrong would be an improvement, because they are, but that's just me.


Are you now the arbiter of what is right and wrong?


Why didn't you say it then to start with?

Is the church? Can they speak for God?


You never bothered to ask. You just started yelling saying I was wrong.


Well, if you think they can be good, why not give them a chance to prove it then? Put your money where your mouth is.



Um, perhaps you were not listening this entire time?

I would prefer to put the child in the best environment possible. Why settle for good when you can have better or best?


Because I don't think you can easily define that just by gender, each child has different needs, and every possible couple offers different things. They should be judged on their own merit, not on gender.


Ok, coming back to it for the twentieth time.

men and women are different. Our bodies are different. The way we think is different. What we prioritize is different. How we show affection is different.

So, yes, you can easily define that by comparing two genders to one.

That has been my argument all along. Two genders give the kids a better understanding of life as they grow up over one gender. This is shown by studies of single family homes as MsHarmony said.

It is better.

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Fri 06/03/11 06:33 PM
Edited by Kleisto on Fri 06/03/11 06:35 PM
Taking a cue from Jeannie, I think I'm done with this debate, this is going nowhere fast. We're just arguing needlessly now.

Have a good evening.

mylifetoday's photo
Fri 06/03/11 06:35 PM






As far as what is good to be as adoptive parents, I wouldn't want a devil worshiper to adopt but other than that, if they have a good home, that is all that really would matter. I don't care what their faith is. I may take a second look if they were Muslim, but mostly because of how oppressive their faith is. There have been honor killings of children in the US before.


Could make the argument that Christianity at times can be as oppressive. Just saying.


Um, not even close.

That would be like comparing a mansion to a hovel and saying they are the same because they both provide shelter.


Explain what's different from a Muslim man pushing his religion on his kids, and a Christian man pushing his?


Um, because the Muslim faith says you must be Muslim. They have very little tolerance for other faiths. That and they have a very oppressive life style.


And the Christian faith doesn't say you must be Christian, or has tolerance for other faiths? You're like the pot calling the kettle black dude.


Um, not nearly in the same way.

The Christian faith says this is the way, come join us. The Muslim faith says this is the way, join us or else. And when was the last time you have seen Christians persecuting someone for their faith? When was the last time you were forced to sit and listen to a preacher against your will. You do know that in Muslim cities, prayers are said over loud speaker numerous times a day don't you?

I am very tolerant of everyone's faith. I have never told anyone that their faith is wrong. I have been told hundreds of times mine is and have defended my faith. How is that being intolerant?

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Fri 06/03/11 06:36 PM




can you explain why a loving prostitute is not like a loving parent from any other demographic? isnt that a discriminatory attitude?

whats stupid about it? to say its nothing close seems quite 'discriminatory' to me.....

wasnt it posted before what people do in their personal life shouldnt be anyones business

so as long as a parent loves a child, what difference does it make what their sexual lifestyle is?



DUH!!

Because prostitution is ILLEGAL in most states.

Nevada being the exception.



Not only that, but that environment is not healthy for the kid anyway, and you damn well know it msharmony.


Why is it less healthy than a homosexual relationship.

The entire argument stems from their sexual preference is no importance.

In general Prostitutes do not work out of their home. So how is it worse?


Because the homosexual lifestyle is not endangering the child or setting a bad example of behavior, where the prostitute lifestyle can. This is really not that hard.



so are you saying, the homosexual lifestyle CANT endanger the child or set a bad example

because it certainly CAN , depending upon the couple, which is why being a prostitute ALONE shouldnt be discriminated against anymore than being a homosexual ALONE...

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Fri 06/03/11 06:37 PM




can you explain why a loving prostitute is not like a loving parent from any other demographic? isnt that a discriminatory attitude?

whats stupid about it? to say its nothing close seems quite 'discriminatory' to me.....

wasnt it posted before what people do in their personal life shouldnt be anyones business

so as long as a parent loves a child, what difference does it make what their sexual lifestyle is?



DUH!!

Because prostitution is ILLEGAL in most states.

Nevada being the exception.



Not only that, but that environment is not healthy for the kid anyway, and you damn well know it msharmony.


Why is it less healthy than a homosexual relationship.

The entire argument stems from their sexual preference is no importance.

In general Prostitutes do not work out of their home. So how is it worse?


Because the homosexual lifestyle is not endangering the child or setting a bad example of behavior, where the prostitute lifestyle can. This is really not that hard.


Ok, so being promiscuous is bad but being in a homosexual relationship is good.

Got it.

How exactly is a prostitute endangering their child's life?

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Fri 06/03/11 06:38 PM
yes, going nowhere, I concur

my advice if you are american, vote on what is important to you and keep in mind that it may not always happen JUST Because it is important to you, in a society , YOU are not ALL That matters,,,



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Fri 06/03/11 06:39 PM

Taking a cue from Jeannie, I think I'm done with this debate, this is going nowhere fast. We're just arguing needlessly now.

Have a good evening.


You too.

Take care. flowerforyou

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Fri 06/03/11 06:48 PM







As far as what is good to be as adoptive parents, I wouldn't want a devil worshiper to adopt but other than that, if they have a good home, that is all that really would matter. I don't care what their faith is. I may take a second look if they were Muslim, but mostly because of how oppressive their faith is. There have been honor killings of children in the US before.


Could make the argument that Christianity at times can be as oppressive. Just saying.


Um, not even close.

That would be like comparing a mansion to a hovel and saying they are the same because they both provide shelter.


Explain what's different from a Muslim man pushing his religion on his kids, and a Christian man pushing his?


Um, because the Muslim faith says you must be Muslim. They have very little tolerance for other faiths. That and they have a very oppressive life style.


And the Christian faith doesn't say you must be Christian, or has tolerance for other faiths? You're like the pot calling the kettle black dude.


Um, not nearly in the same way.

The Christian faith says this is the way, come join us. The Muslim faith says this is the way, join us or else. And when was the last time you have seen Christians persecuting someone for their faith?


Ok I feel inclined to say something here before departing since you said this.

1. Christian faith more or less does say come join us or else. Only difference is, instead of killing you outright, they say God will. Not too much different.

2. On persecution, you mean like me being singled out of my dad's family for leaving Catholicism? Like how many in the religious sects look down on those not like them? Right, no persecution at all....

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Fri 06/03/11 06:50 PM





can you explain why a loving prostitute is not like a loving parent from any other demographic? isnt that a discriminatory attitude?

whats stupid about it? to say its nothing close seems quite 'discriminatory' to me.....

wasnt it posted before what people do in their personal life shouldnt be anyones business

so as long as a parent loves a child, what difference does it make what their sexual lifestyle is?



DUH!!

Because prostitution is ILLEGAL in most states.

Nevada being the exception.



Not only that, but that environment is not healthy for the kid anyway, and you damn well know it msharmony.


Why is it less healthy than a homosexual relationship.

The entire argument stems from their sexual preference is no importance.

In general Prostitutes do not work out of their home. So how is it worse?


Because the homosexual lifestyle is not endangering the child or setting a bad example of behavior, where the prostitute lifestyle can. This is really not that hard.


Ok, so being promiscuous is bad but being in a homosexual relationship is good.

Got it.

How exactly is a prostitute endangering their child's life?


The nature of the business.

And are you trying to say that homosexuals are automatically promiscuous here? That's not entirely true.

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Fri 06/03/11 06:54 PM






can you explain why a loving prostitute is not like a loving parent from any other demographic? isnt that a discriminatory attitude?

whats stupid about it? to say its nothing close seems quite 'discriminatory' to me.....

wasnt it posted before what people do in their personal life shouldnt be anyones business

so as long as a parent loves a child, what difference does it make what their sexual lifestyle is?



DUH!!

Because prostitution is ILLEGAL in most states.

Nevada being the exception.



Not only that, but that environment is not healthy for the kid anyway, and you damn well know it msharmony.


Why is it less healthy than a homosexual relationship.

The entire argument stems from their sexual preference is no importance.

In general Prostitutes do not work out of their home. So how is it worse?


Because the homosexual lifestyle is not endangering the child or setting a bad example of behavior, where the prostitute lifestyle can. This is really not that hard.


Ok, so being promiscuous is bad but being in a homosexual relationship is good.

Got it.

How exactly is a prostitute endangering their child's life?




The nature of the business.

And are you trying to say that homosexuals are automatically promiscuous here? That's not entirely true.



the nature of the business doesnt include children(unless its child prostitution)

but that would be like comparing all homosexuals with homosexuals who happen to prefer children

keeping it broad , a homosexual is no more/less likely to make a good 'parent' to a child than a prostitute

unless EITHER one is bringing their personal/sexual life AROUND the child,,,,


,,,,do you feel otherwise?

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Fri 06/03/11 09:00 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Fri 06/03/11 09:07 PM


as stated before not all situations are equal

I dont know the whole story here though, did they ONLY service catholic families? Did they NEVER place one child with a non catholic family?


What difference would that make? I mean how would change things or what light would it shed on their current action?


IT seems, in cases like this, there is a choice to be made.


Obviously there was choice to be made and for the charity the choice was not founded on logical concerns which will be discussed below.

IF, as argued before, the concern should be for the child. If the services are there for the BEST options of the child, than the CANDIDATES preferences become SECONDARY and those who would be deemed the best loving family with the most stable and HEALTHY environment for the child will probably be selected over the less healthy or stable homes almost every time.

The two parent home, will probably be chosen over the single parent home, the higher income home over the poverty line income home,,,etc,,


The Catholic nonprofit sites two changes in the law that they cannot follow when placing children.

1. Single adult males or females who meet the criteria for providing some minimum ideal of a necessary environment will be qualified and allowed to be foster parents and adoptees

2.A same-sex household in which the spouses/partners have been joined by civil union and who meet the criteria for providing some minimum ideal of a necessary environment will be qualified and allowed to be foster parents and adoptees

Sighting religious beliefs, the nonprofit ultimately felt that they could not place children in either of those two conditions. Fine – but are they now saying that they cared no more or less or provided no more or less to the outcomes of all these kids than what the state could or can provide?

If that’s the case, I don’t understand why they were in business using taxpayer dollars in the first place? Why was a non-secular charity given some share of funds which took away from the funds the state could have had for doing the exact same job with exactly the same outcomes?

In effect, the harm the nonprofit may have caused was to overburden the state before it was prepared to accept the 300 or so new children which actually put ALL the kids who are now and newly coming into the state system at higher risk for bad outcomes.

Aside from all that, the nonprofit and the leaders that backed the nonprofit (church officials) have stated that their rights to practice the religion of their choice has been infringed upon.

Now the nonprofit has always been required to meet the civil standards, and follow the civil law of every other state foster care or adoption agency. We need to make that point perfectly clear. THEY followed the civil law. The law was not made to accommodate their religious belief, which tends to be one of the silly little things many people of faith will intone as they continue to maintain that this country was founded on Christian principles. NO IT WAS NOT.

Then the law changed and it no longer accommodated the civil acceptance of discrimination that the nonprofit believes is part of their religious freedom. This caused the leaders of that NP to make their ridiculous inference that their freedom has been infringed upon – without EVER considering the children or the adults they were discriminating against.

You see how the propagation of misinformation can cause ineffectual thought processes? When people think this country was founded on Christian principles they also believe their religious freedoms take priority over the freedoms of others. Obviously they continue to suggest that ending discrimination will seriously affect Christian values because ending discrimination means changing the laws which many Christians have come to believe where created for the benefit of their religious freedom.

I suppose it’s best to be this direct all the time however, I do attempt to make people think for themselves but sometimes the Christian logic based on dogma and misinformation short circuits the thinking system.

I’ve said it often and I will repeat it; I think there will always be religious but people have to find a way to keep those beliefs in their OWN manner as a PERSONAL set of values and stop attempting to insert their individual values on others. We will be a more tolerant and accepting civilization if/when all people take responsibility for the content and context of human ethics and avoid mixing their personal religious beliefs with those ethics that guide civil law.



Most of the founding fathers were Christian. How is it possible they would totally ignore their faith to set up a new constitution?

This caused the leaders of that NP to make their ridiculous inference that their freedom has been infringed upon – without EVER considering the children or the adults they were discriminating against.


Sorry but that statement is complete made up BS. Did you talk to the people that made this decision and they told you they didn't care? I have said before that the Church had to make a terrible choice here. Abandon a principle they held as a fundamental part of their faith or abandon the children. I can guarantee you this was not an easy decision for them. They didn't just willy nilly say we don't really care and never did care for the kids.

I am sure the church examined every possible way they could comply with the law and still ensure they would not place any children in these situations. Why is it so terrible to choose to place children in a two parent home with a mother and father? There are plenty of people that want to adopt. Why would they be required to place a child in a homosexual couples home when there are better options available to them? Fine discrimination. Everyone discriminates all the time. They decide what is best in every situation. When was the last time you chose your least favorable option when there was no good reason to discard your best choice?

Why don't we set up affirmative action in adoption and give bonus points to homosexual couples because they had been discriminated against previously?



A blanket statement such as
Most of the founding fathers were Christian.
would have more power if it were true.

Sorry but that statement is complete made up BS. Did you talk to the people that made this decision and they told you they didn't care?


Frist of all there are two quotes in two different sources in which an agent of the Church felt thier religious freedom had been infringed upon, So that was not BS.

Secondly they felt they could not look beyond their silly dogma and place children with single guardians or SS couples. What else could that mean except their dogma is more important than the children. Who were they protecting, or most concerned about, when they refused to continue to find the best homes they could for those kids?

The Christion Charity believed that if they could not place the kids in the environments / situations of THEIR choosing, they believed they had the right to abandon them. Yet these same people will fight against the right of a women to choose to abandon a pregnancy.

You can believe that those Christians suffered and agaonized over their decision as much as a woman does with her own choice but you'll have a hard time convincing very many people of that.

There are plenty of people that want to adopt. Why would they be required to place a child in a homosexual couples home when there are better options available to them?


The language you use is a give away - just sayin..

Anyway, once again you are making a blanket statement - so let me ask you, how many kids do you suppose are "in the system"? How many do you suppose spend their childhood "in the system?" If there are so many adequate homes in which to place these kid, why are so many eighteen year olds homeless after being cut off from "the system" in which they were raised?

Everyone discriminates all the time. They decide what is best in every situation.


Try to concentrate, stay focused and on topic here, ok? How many other non-secular charities are tax dollars funding? This whole situtaion concerns me, primarily because there is so little oversight and of course there's the issue of how many Christians believe in their own majority rights, just as this charity did.

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Fri 06/03/11 09:30 PM



How is saying I won't want a child placed with a homosexual couple forcing my religious views down people's throat?


Simple, you force these people to adhere to your beliefs and in so doing strip them of their right to adopt a child and be judged as being able to adopt a child on their own ability to give them a good home as a couple. That's how.


No matter how you slice it, I am not forcing my beliefs upon them. They don't have to adhere to my beliefs in any way shape or form. They don't have to be Christian and I am not saying they need to convert to have a child. They can complain that my personal belief is that a kid is better off in a heterosexual home all they want. That doesn't make them have to accept my faith in any way. I could still have that view if I were not Christian. There actually are quite a few people that hold that view that are not? Are they also forcing their beliefs down someones throat?


Well let's see if I can make this simple for you.

Since you don't believe homosexuals should raise children, I can assume you don't think they should be married either. Which leads me to believe you have not voted to pass any equal marriage legislation.

The fact is that homoseuxals DO HAVE CHILDREN, and they do have long-term relationships and raise loving, and happy children as well as heterosexual couples.

Unfortunatley the SS couples are denied many of the valuable benefits that make having a successful family life much easier.

In effect much of the suffering that you might perceive in such a child's life is that of YOUR OWN making.

Since you refuse to vote for or otherwise support the legislation that would accommodate these famililies, then you are putting that child at greater risk than families of heterosexuals whom you would allow to have these benefits.

To use a faded but correct figure of speech - if you're not part of the solution, you are part of the problem...