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Edited by
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. At least people have the choice, rather than having to stay in marriages they are unhappy in. |
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. Sorry but hell yea it is better. Since you have probably never been a woman and understand the trials and tribulations of women in the past, I won't waste you time. But hell hell yea it is better way way way way better. |
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. At least people have the choice, rather than having to stay in marriages they are unhappy in. I am speaking of the perspective of the children. Leaving someone because you are unhappy and forcing your kids to grow up in a shattered home is selfish. There are good and legitimate reasons to get divorced but because you are unhappy and unwilling to work on your relationship is not one of them. If you're unhappy, you talk to your spouse and figure out what you can do to fix it. Running is not an answer, especially when there are kids involved. We as a society have become extraordinarily selfish. |
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. At least people have the choice, rather than having to stay in marriages they are unhappy in. I am speaking of the perspective of the children. Leaving someone because you are unhappy and forcing your kids to grow up in a shattered home is selfish. There are good and legitimate reasons to get divorced but because you are unhappy and unwilling to work on your relationship is not one of them. If you're unhappy, you talk to your spouse and figure out what you can do to fix it. Running is not an answer, especially when there are kids involved. We as a society have become extraordinarily selfish. yea coming from a man who has probably never had to be at the mercy of a man in a relationship...lol 
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. At least people have the choice, rather than having to stay in marriages they are unhappy in. I am speaking of the perspective of the children. Leaving someone because you are unhappy and forcing your kids to grow up in a shattered home is selfish. There are good and legitimate reasons to get divorced but because you are unhappy and unwilling to work on your relationship is not one of them. If you're unhappy, you talk to your spouse and figure out what you can do to fix it. Running is not an answer, especially when there are kids involved. We as a society have become extraordinarily selfish. And what if they have tried and can't do it? At what point does it cease to do any good talking about it, and just end it instead? Further, I might contend it can be even more worse on the kids, if they grow up in a home where all the parents do is fight. That's not exactly the best thing for them to be seeing either. In divorce, they would at least be shielded from that if got so bad. |
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Edited by
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. At least people have the choice, rather than having to stay in marriages they are unhappy in. I am speaking of the perspective of the children. Leaving someone because you are unhappy and forcing your kids to grow up in a shattered home is selfish. There are good and legitimate reasons to get divorced but because you are unhappy and unwilling to work on your relationship is not one of them. If you're unhappy, you talk to your spouse and figure out what you can do to fix it. Running is not an answer, especially when there are kids involved. We as a society have become extraordinarily selfish. yea coming from a man who has probably never had to be at the mercy of a man in a relationship...lol
You're right, I was at the mercy of a woman in my relationship who was unhappy and forced me into a lifestyle I abhor. Why, because she was unhappy and refused to try to do anything to fix our relationship. I did everything I could. The marriage counselor I went to - she came 2 times - said that she and her colleagues all noticed, once a woman decides she will divorce it is all but over. There is nothing that a man can do that will change her mind. My ex had blinders on. Fixated on divorced and rushed through it as fast as she could so she didn't have to stop and think about what she was doing. |
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I learned a lot of spiritual truths while I was in Eckankar but the cult itself was a collection of plagiarized writings. That does not mean the writings were not good ones, they were! But so much of the organization was a big fat con. Did I "unlearn" what I learned? Nope. I tossed out the crap and kept the good stuff. I tossed out the cult itself. There are some good lessons and some good truths in the Bible, but don't buy the whole cult lock stock and barrel. I suppose I should have used a better term than unlearn. You don't unlearn I guess as much as reorganize what you have learned and it's relevance to you and your life. You're right too, there are good lessons in the Bible, as well as other holy books, the error is in taking it all as truth. Actually unlearning is an excellent terminology. Things that become ingrained in us from say our parent teaching us young some unhealthy way to do something in life needs to be unlearned. Quite a bit of the residual crap from our parents time needs to be unlearned in order to live a better life. Are you saying that previous generations were deluded and wrong and need to be discarded in our new enlightened world? Yea, not all of it is garbage but lots of it is garbage that is not healthy for people of this day and age. We are suppose to learn more and be smarter than the generations before us. It is suppose to be a cycle that never ends. So yea unlearn the garbage and get some more current enlightenment from that old drudgery that hold us back. So our modern age of divorce is better than marriage is better than having a nuclear family? New isn't always better. At least people have the choice, rather than having to stay in marriages they are unhappy in. I am speaking of the perspective of the children. Leaving someone because you are unhappy and forcing your kids to grow up in a shattered home is selfish. There are good and legitimate reasons to get divorced but because you are unhappy and unwilling to work on your relationship is not one of them. If you're unhappy, you talk to your spouse and figure out what you can do to fix it. Running is not an answer, especially when there are kids involved. We as a society have become extraordinarily selfish. And what if they have tried and can't do it? At what point does it cease to do any good talking about it, and just end it instead? Further, I might contend it can be even more worse on the kids, if they grow up in a home where all the parents do is fight. That's not exactly the best thing for them to be seeing either. In divorce, they would at least be shielded from that if got so bad. Ok, you get married have kids get divorced and tell me it is better for your kids... |
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Everyone that got married with the intention of being divorced please raise your hands.
"Good times and bad" means you are supposed to work through your difficulties, not run from them. but there are cases where divorce is best, when someone is being abused is a good one. |
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Everyone that got married with the intention of being divorced please raise your hands. "Good times and bad" means you are supposed to work through your difficulties, not run from them. I understand this, but sometimes things just aren't all that simple. Not saying divorce is a good thing mind you if it can be avoided, but I think you're being a little bit naive. |
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Everyone that got married with the intention of being divorced please raise your hands. "Good times and bad" means you are supposed to work through your difficulties, not run from them. I understand this, but sometimes things just aren't all that simple. Not saying divorce is a good thing mind you if it can be avoided, but I think you're being a little bit naive. Nope, not naive at all. The majority of divorces are because at least one person just isn't happy anymore. Without exception, every single happily married couple I know had a really bad patch in their relationship where they considered divorce. They worked through it. And guess what? They fell more in love for working through it than they had before. They loved each other more for the adversity they overcame together. |
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Everyone that got married with the intention of being divorced please raise your hands. "Good times and bad" means you are supposed to work through your difficulties, not run from them. I understand this, but sometimes things just aren't all that simple. Not saying divorce is a good thing mind you if it can be avoided, but I think you're being a little bit naive. Nope, not naive at all. The majority of divorces are because at least one person just isn't happy anymore. Without exception, every single happily married couple I know had a really bad patch in their relationship where they considered divorce. They worked through it. And guess what? They fell more in love for working through it than they had before. They loved each other more for the adversity they overcame together. That's great for them, but it doesn't always work out that way. |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems.
Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. |
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Everyone that got married with the intention of being divorced please raise your hands. "Good times and bad" means you are supposed to work through your difficulties, not run from them. I understand this, but sometimes things just aren't all that simple. Not saying divorce is a good thing mind you if it can be avoided, but I think you're being a little bit naive. Nope, not naive at all. The majority of divorces are because at least one person just isn't happy anymore. Without exception, every single happily married couple I know had a really bad patch in their relationship where they considered divorce. They worked through it. And guess what? They fell more in love for working through it than they had before. They loved each other more for the adversity they overcame together. That's great for them, but it doesn't always work out that way. It could, but it takes effort and self-sacrifice. Too many are too selfish to get through this. Especially when divorce is so easy. |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems. Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. So, why have marriage at all then. Lets just have sex with whomever whenever and grow society from that... Who cares who the father is and kids don't really need a man in their life anyway. |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems. Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. So, why have marriage at all then. Lets just have sex with whomever whenever and grow society from that... Who cares who the father is and kids don't really need a man in their life anyway. Quite a lot of men have already been doing that for a long time now...lol The authorities have had to make them be responsible for the kids financially but they still don't raise the kids. So suggest something new and improved not old and archaic. |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems. Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. So, why have marriage at all then. Lets just have sex with whomever whenever and grow society from that... Who cares who the father is and kids don't really need a man in their life anyway. Quite a lot of men have already been doing that for a long time now...lol The authorities have had to make them be responsible for the kids financially but they still don't raise the kids. So suggest something new and improved not old and archaic. Once again, new does not necessarily equal better. I believe marriage is the best thing for society and people. I don't think there is anything that can be better than that. We should be trying to find ways to make it better not find reasons to abandon it. Maybe have classes in school about what marriage means and what each should do for their spouse. We teach sex in school, why not relationships? |
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I am speaking of the perspective of the children. Leaving someone because you are unhappy and forcing your kids to grow up in a shattered home is selfish. There are good and legitimate reasons to get divorced but because you are unhappy and unwilling to work on your relationship is not one of them. If you're unhappy, you talk to your spouse and figure out what you can do to fix it. Running is not an answer, especially when there are kids involved. We as a society have become extraordinarily selfish. Doesn't matter the reason...if someone is unhappy and wants to leave they can leave. It's selfish to expect someone to stay with me if they are unhappy and don't love me anymore...it's also selfish forcing children to be around an unhappy couple, whatever the reason my be. In many cases the violence itself is damaging to children. Children aren't stupid, they know more than us what real love is and they know when their parents are faking it, it's cruel, hurtful and confusing to them. A terrible life lesson...and children are used in divorce's when they (the parents) stay only to please the mate... then it's fighting time, the resentment has been building over time. It's a no win situation. Knowing when to throw in the towel doesn't have to mean running.. |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems. Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. So, why have marriage at all then. Lets just have sex with whomever whenever and grow society from that... Who cares who the father is and kids don't really need a man in their life anyway. Quite a lot of men have already been doing that for a long time now...lol The authorities have had to make them be responsible for the kids financially but they still don't raise the kids. So suggest something new and improved not old and archaic. Once again, new does not necessarily equal better. I believe marriage is the best thing for society and people. I don't think there is anything that can be better than that. We should be trying to find ways to make it better not find reasons to abandon it. Curious, what would you say to people who didn't want to get married or didn't want to have kids? Remember, not everyone can be fit into the same group. |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems. Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. So, why have marriage at all then. Lets just have sex with whomever whenever and grow society from that... Who cares who the father is and kids don't really need a man in their life anyway. Quite a lot of men have already been doing that for a long time now...lol The authorities have had to make them be responsible for the kids financially but they still don't raise the kids. So suggest something new and improved not old and archaic. Once again, new does not necessarily equal better. I believe marriage is the best thing for society and people. I don't think there is anything that can be better than that. We should be trying to find ways to make it better not find reasons to abandon it. Maybe have classes in school about what marriage means and what each should do for their spouse. We teach sex in school, why not relationships? Since there is no gender specific responsibilities and there is no gender specific relationships, that class would only say one thing "Respect yourself in all relationships and don't stay if you don't get respect from your partner". Not a long class....lol |
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LOL some seem to like to cling to the rare rather than the norm it seems. Marriage has no obligation to be for life anyway. That is archaic thought processes from men of old who wanted to have women, more than one, be theirs for life. Given the women no way out but death. So they could use and abuse them as they saw fit whenever they saw fit and the women would be afraid to leave since it meant death usually. People are learning that people don't have to suffer others when it becomes a bad situation. So, why have marriage at all then. Lets just have sex with whomever whenever and grow society from that... Who cares who the father is and kids don't really need a man in their life anyway. Quite a lot of men have already been doing that for a long time now...lol The authorities have had to make them be responsible for the kids financially but they still don't raise the kids. So suggest something new and improved not old and archaic. Once again, new does not necessarily equal better. I believe marriage is the best thing for society and people. I don't think there is anything that can be better than that. We should be trying to find ways to make it better not find reasons to abandon it. Curious, what would you say to people who didn't want to get married or didn't want to have kids? Remember, not everyone can be fit into the same group. No one said you have to be married. There are millions throughout history that never married. |
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