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I love this quote about patriotism
'Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/topics/topic_patriotism2.html#ixzz1LKdFVqhI I find it interesting that americans can BELITTLE and LOATHE other americans(The poor, or unemployed, or non religious, or of the wrong religion) and be called patriots but an american not pledging to a flag is considered not,,,, strange world this,,,, I would think it much more significant to be 'loyal' to the people in the country, than to the inanimate objects which 'define' its borders or ideals,,, |
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I love this quote about patriotism 'Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/topics/topic_patriotism2.html#ixzz1LKdFVqhI I find it interesting that americans can BELITTLE and LOATHE other americans(The poor, or unemployed, or non religious, or of the wrong religion) and be called patriots but an american not pledging to a flag is considered not,,,, strange world this,,,, I would think it much more significant to be 'loyal' to the people in the country, than to the inanimate objects which 'define' its borders or ideals,,, nothing non patriotic about not like other Americans.. isn't that one of our freedoms?... i don't think there was ever a time where everyone liked everyone else, in all of history... do you think that all the patriots that died in war liked everyone they died for? but they did it anyway... |
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Moe has a valid point....
Hell, I served My country/ friends and family and as a by-product of my sevice I also served the people I can't stand. All the people I personally detest are Americans...still, I love my country...even as screwed up as it was, is and will always be. |
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Patriotism is love of country.
It doesn't mean I have to love every one in it. In this country I don't have to. But I do have to respect their right to be who they are. H#ll I fought with guys I didn't particularly care for. But when the chit hit the fan we were all Americans fighting for each other. |
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I love this quote about patriotism 'Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce If you are strong, but not righteous, you are doomed to fall. |
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Hmmm don't know exactly what we call it, but I love my country, I love the people in it, but I sure don't respect everyone..
I respect their rights to be who they wish, But if they think they are better than the rest of us, or have nothing better to do all day but winge about how hard up they are , but wont get up and have a go, then NO I cannot respect them. But all in all, I guess here patriotism would be loving our land, and the concept of our country. It doesnt mean I agree with the politians who are in , or everything else that peole do but I do believe in our country.. Bummer confused myself there. |
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I find it interesting that americans can BELITTLE and LOATHE other americans(The poor, or unemployed, or non religious, or of the wrong religion) and be called patriots Americans CAN "BELITTLE" because they still have FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Americans can "loathe" because we still have freedom of thought. And the above has nothing to do with patriotism but if you try to take away an American's right to belittle and loathe each other, then you will see some patriotism as these same Americans go to war side by side. |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Tue 05/03/11 06:52 PM
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I love this quote about patriotism 'Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/topics/topic_patriotism2.html#ixzz1LKdFVqhI I find it interesting that americans can BELITTLE and LOATHE other americans(The poor, or unemployed, or non religious, or of the wrong religion) and be called patriots but an american not pledging to a flag is considered not,,,, strange world this,,,, I would think it much more significant to be 'loyal' to the people in the country, than to the inanimate objects which 'define' its borders or ideals,,, This is interesting, thankyou Ms Harmony...for the contradictions have long sat with me...as an outsider, with completely different perceptions, (not being an American)....I have long struggled with the dichotomies you have mentioned. I am not patriotic...whatsoever...unless there is a 'global patriotism'...not that I even like labels of any kind. I am blessed to live in a country where we don't pronounce at every opportunity our freedoms...we simply live them. We here in Australia are not immune to prejudice, both being and receiving...although our heritage as such is very clear to us, that the majority of the populace were all immigrants at some time...we are such a melting pot of cultures that it is kind of ludicrous to be prejudiced....although it does happen. I always find the need to voice one's freedoms quite fascinating....it's like, for me, that it is almost a 'Does one doth protest too loudly'....and I wonder if it infers that there really is no freedom of speech, especially given the restraints placed upon your people after the Patriot Act was initiated. I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. Anywhoo...thankyou for this topic....it's interesting reading, the different feedback in here. |
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Edited by
josie68
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Tue 05/03/11 07:11 PM
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I love this quote about patriotism 'Patriotism consists not in waving the flag, but in striving that our country shall be righteous as well as strong. James Bryce Read more: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/topics/topic_patriotism2.html#ixzz1LKdFVqhI I find it interesting that americans can BELITTLE and LOATHE other americans(The poor, or unemployed, or non religious, or of the wrong religion) and be called patriots but an american not pledging to a flag is considered not,,,, strange world this,,,, I would think it much more significant to be 'loyal' to the people in the country, than to the inanimate objects which 'define' its borders or ideals,,, This is interesting, thankyou Ms Harmony...for the contradictions have long sat with me...as an outsider, with completely different perceptions, (not being an American)....I have long struggled with the dichotomies you have mentioned. I am not patriotic...whatsoever...unless there is a 'global patriotism'...not that I even like labels of any kind. I am blessed to live in a country where we don't pronounce at every opportunity our freedoms...we simply live them. We here in Australia are not immune to prejudice, both being and receiving...although our heritage as such is very clear to us, that the majority of the populace were all immigrants at some time...we are such a melting pot of cultures that it is kind of ludicrous to be prejudiced....although it does happen. I always find the need to voice one's freedoms quite fascinating....it's like, for me, that it is almost a 'Does one doth protest too loudly'....and I wonder if it infers that there really is no freedom of speech, especially given the restraints placed upon your people after the Patriot Act was initiated. I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. Anywhoo...thankyou for this topic....it's interesting reading, the different feedback in here. Yep I notice that as well, almost like by saying it you will keep it.. The main difference I have noted is how heated your Freedom of speech gets. It's not quiet as easy as just saying it and thinking every one else will respect your opinion and laugh it off. You can actually upset people by saying the wrong thing..At times I have had to go back to work out what I said wrong. I'm not sure about you Jess, but here where I am we argue about everythign but laugh about it at the same time, I cant even remember anyone getting upset because someone else had a different opinion or liked some other parlament person, I just figured everyone had the right to like and say what they wanted and not be harrassed because of it. At times in here I have to think so noone takes what I say the wrong way.. Very strange indeed.. I guess its still freedom but not like ours..The same yet somehow different |
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I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. I'm not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars but I do know a little about what the British (England) did to populate your country with "whites" and commit genocide on a lot of the blacks living there. It involved transplanting orphans and children of poor people being taken care of by THE STATE. Some of those children had parents who, when they went to collect their children were told that they had been adopted. Instead, they had been packed off to Australia. It was England that we had to fight against to gain our independence and a very bloody war that was. Then we fought a few more wars. No, you probably don't have to be reminded that you are 'free.' You have probably never had to fight for your freedom. |
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The problem with patriotism is that like religion it has a very personal definition to each individual. And like religion is used to beat others over the head when others don't "comply" with one's definition of patriotism.
Sadly it has turned into just a tool of offense for those who want to use it. Freedom in America is a selfish freedom with actually turns out not to be a universal freedom at all. American freedom is this "you are free until you defy what I consider in my own little personal world a rule of conduct that is unbefitting a member of this country and then no deal" You will see every "excuse" to categorize people into these groups. And they will do this to the people they have no way of walking in their shoes and knowing if they are even truly what they call them. But those are the people they will determine to be undue freedom to be what they are in this country. So our freedom is so one sided here that people have to scream out "THE LAND OF THE FREE" because they are trying to convince all that they are free when it isn't true. This is probably the only country that will claim "brothers" on the battle field and when arriving home will consider their "brothers" unworthy to enter their home. |
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Sadly, ours is an illusion of freedom. If they want to get ya they will get ya, no doubt about it. But this illusion of freedom has to stay in tact in order to get people to send their sons and daughters to war which has become less about freedom and more about power and domination.
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What is the American Dream? It doesnt exist anymore.:(
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I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. I'm not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars but I do know a little about what the British (England) did to populate your country with "whites" and commit genocide on a lot of the blacks living there. It involved transplanting orphans and children of poor people being taken care of by THE STATE. Some of those children had parents who, when they went to collect their children were told that they had been adopted. Instead, they had been packed off to Australia. It was England that we had to fight against to gain our independence and a very bloody war that was. Then we fought a few more wars. No, you probably don't have to be reminded that you are 'free.' You have probably never had to fight for your freedom.  Oh My Gosh, oh my gosh Oh my Gosh. Can you please at least do a little research before making such silly comments, I live in a town that was destroyed by the japanese in the war, It was heavily bombed, just watch the movie Australia thats where I live, in that town. Australia has been in the wars alongside you , some of them we where in before you. Australia was only set up to dump the Englishes unwanted, yep we where convicts, theives murderers ans such that they where happy to dump and let die, they didnt care we where their slaves for however many years they said we had to be, Yep we where the slaves in our country, the same as you had slaves. we where flogged and beaten, For gosh sakes we live in a harsh land, that if you live in the country you just fight to keep going, we are not desk sitting pansies who have been given everythign we get.. Nope we have had to fight to get where we are, and our country is strong in itself, yep we are small and yep things where done wrong by the English when they landed, the same as your country destroyed its people.. Australia is no different. SO YES WE ARE FREE, WE ARE STRONG AND WE ARE PROUD OF EVERYTHING WE ARE.. AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO FIGHT TO KEEP OUR COUNTRY FREE, AND WE WILL CONTINUE TO HELP WHOEVER ELSE NEEDS TO KEEP THEIR FREEDOM, THE SAME AS YOUR COUNTRY DOES. On my Gosh, I just cannot believe that...You tell us, a country who was started by people with no freedom that we have never had to fight to be free. Its not that we know we are free we are proud of where we have come from and dont pretend to be anything I'm not, I am austraian and I can say and do as I want cause I am meeee, a hapy little vegemite, who is freeeeeeeeeeee, Oh my gosh and i so love it, cause I am me, nourl=http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/skype-emoticons.html]  |
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Oh My Gosh, oh my gosh Oh my Gosh. Can you please at least do a little research before making such silly comments, Why would you call it a "silly comment?" I said I was not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars. The way Jess was speaking it just sounded like she takes her freedom for granted. The other stuff I posted was from actual people who were abducted from England and dumped in Australia as children. Direct word of mouth testimony. I can't for the life of me imagine why they (the British) did that unless they just wanted to get rid of people they didn't want. |
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Edited by
josie68
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Tue 05/03/11 09:43 PM
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Oh My Gosh, oh my gosh Oh my Gosh. Can you please at least do a little research before making such silly comments, Why would you call it a "silly comment?" I said I was not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars. The way Jess was speaking it just sounded like she takes her freedom for granted. The other stuff I posted was from actual people who were abducted from England and dumped in Australia as children. Direct word of mouth testimony. I can't for the life of me imagine why they (the British) did that unless they just wanted to get rid of people they didn't want.  Seems to me like this is the dumping ground for their unwanted.  We do take our Freedom for granted, I did not realise how well off we where until I visited america, which I thought was the same as us. I don't think that you a re not free in some ways, it just seems that you are very shut in somehow, which I cant even explain. I have been really surprised at how little America knows about us, Well besides crocodile dundee and our funny accent which we dont havenot that I thought we where important or anything like that, its just taht we tend to know a lot about your country so I just thought it would be common for schools to teach children about other countries history.. Why I thought it sily, to me it sounded silly as it would ike me telling an American who's ancestors where slaves, that they had never had to fight for their freedom. I guess that most countries dont know about us, as our population is only 20 000 000 in total, so are only a couple of your big cities put together. But this is also why we are so proud of ourselves, we make it on our own, if the rest of the world disapeared, we could feed and look after ourselves easily, yeh sure, we import stuff but we dont need to. We are a country, who would rather fix things then throw them away and get a new one, half our cars are just going as we just keep fixing them , We dont need new, although we do have new things, we just dont see a point in getting something new if we can patch it up.. We are aussie battlers, reguardless of what hapens we just keep pushing through and never ever give up.. Most of us dont care if the bloke next door has something bigger or better, we just want it to get us where we are going, Hopefully without breaking down.. There is no such thing as we cant. we just have to work out how / |
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these are interesting comments, as usual
I live with the fact that I will love my neighbor(even when I dont agree with everything they do), but I wont feel obligated to idolize a flag or any other inanimate object and that , for that reason, I am apt(like sean penn) to be called 'unamerican' |
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Edited by
Jess642
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Wed 05/04/11 02:05 AM
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I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. I'm not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars but I do know a little about what the British (England) did to populate your country with "whites" and commit genocide on a lot of the blacks living there. It involved transplanting orphans and children of poor people being taken care of by THE STATE. Some of those children had parents who, when they went to collect their children were told that they had been adopted. Instead, they had been packed off to Australia. It was England that we had to fight against to gain our independence and a very bloody war that was. Then we fought a few more wars. No, you probably don't have to be reminded that you are 'free.' You have probably never had to fight for your freedom. hello JB....thankyou for your honesty in sharing that you have hardly any knowledge of Australian History. Josie, had elaborated somewhat for you, in the very first time I have seen her cranky...  ... During the Second World war we had a real pickle here in Australia...the Pacific Campaign...which is where your guys entered...was a rather tense and challenging time for this country...there were serious concessions being planned when the Japanese invaded Australia... We were a small country, already stretched to the wahzoo with our military at the time..(we were an agricultural and resource export country...and not very militarised)...as most of them..(our army, navy, airforce) were off in Europe helping Mother England. It is fascinating to learn that a line had literally been drawn across the country from south of Townsville, all the way across to Broome in Western Australia...(have a look on a map)...giving japan the northern half-ish of Australia...Josie s city included...Darwin. Our troops fought a bloody war in Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, Borneo against the Japanese...have a look at The Kokoda Trail..alongside US and new Zealand troops. The stolen generation of british children happened around the 1930's late in that decade, and continued on through the war....those kids were thought to be safer in Australia...as it looked at the time Hitler was going to take Britain....and yes, they were lied to...told they had relinquished their children, or the children were told their parents had died....not by Australian governments...but rather under direct orders from England. Our history is one of violence...we were original immigrants of thugs and theives...the worst of the worst, in the 1770's...shipped off to Australia the colonial gaol. Oppression was rife...and lasted well into the early 1800's....ironically, a few minor bloody battles...nothing but a mere skirmish in comparison to your history...The Eureka Stokade...to name but one...moved this country into a more self governing and peaceful place. Our Federation of states came about, and we quietly moved into freedom...we still do take it all for granted...perhaps it's the aussie way... Josie shared a very simple example of our mindsets as a country, in that we debate fiercely, tease and torment fiercely on everything with each other...and all the while we are laughing, at and with each other...even when debates become so heated and violence occurs...most times...the winner helps the loser up, dusts him off, and goes and buys him a beer. We're a larrikin country, full of clowns, and not one's to believe our own propaganda...we're tough, and hard as a country's character...we have to be...we are all extremely isolated from each capital city of each state...and our country is a harsh unforgivable land..she bakes us dry, she drowns us out...then smiles with amazing skies at us. In the movie crocodile Dundee...Mick Dundee is a satire of the typical aussie...and yet we all related...we all know a Mick Dundee type here...and we all laugh at ourselves, and the Mick's of this country. Our early European settlement is a shameful horrible part of our history, and the Indigenous Australians...you may know them as Aboriginals) are still in many ways treated as second class citizens by the government. Our past is not one of peaceful co-existance...we did not integrate peacefully in this land...or rather our ancestors from Britain did not...they brought their prejudices and racial discriminations with them. Our present, is as I described it...we don't becry at every opportunity our rights, our freedoms....we just get on with them...we all know how close it was to not being the way we are...and without your country's retaliation on japan....freedom may be something we would be aspiring towards. |
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I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. I'm not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars but I do know a little about what the British (England) did to populate your country with "whites" and commit genocide on a lot of the blacks living there. It involved transplanting orphans and children of poor people being taken care of by THE STATE. Some of those children had parents who, when they went to collect their children were told that they had been adopted. Instead, they had been packed off to Australia. It was England that we had to fight against to gain our independence and a very bloody war that was. Then we fought a few more wars. No, you probably don't have to be reminded that you are 'free.' You have probably never had to fight for your freedom. hello JB....thankyou for your honesty in sharing that you have hardly any knowledge of Australian History. Josie, had elaborated somewhat for you, in the very first time I have seen her cranky... ...  Ok the one thing that makes me cranky is when peole tell me I must have had it easy as I am always happy, or whatever. And then I get the if you had had a life like mine.. Sometimes I would like to kick them back to my life and say lets see how lovely it was Sometimes you turn out happy and easy going because of the things you go through..  Sorry Jeanniebean, I got carried away there
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I guess I am attempting to say it is so foreign to me, the mindsets of your culture...and the apparent contradictions and bluured logic...as for me....I am blessed by where I live...and we simply get on with it...we don't need reminding to be 'patriotic' nor that we are 'free'. I'm not familiar with the history of Australia or if they have ever been involved in any wars but I do know a little about what the British (England) did to populate your country with "whites" and commit genocide on a lot of the blacks living there. It involved transplanting orphans and children of poor people being taken care of by THE STATE. Some of those children had parents who, when they went to collect their children were told that they had been adopted. Instead, they had been packed off to Australia. It was England that we had to fight against to gain our independence and a very bloody war that was. Then we fought a few more wars. No, you probably don't have to be reminded that you are 'free.' You have probably never had to fight for your freedom. hello JB....thankyou for your honesty in sharing that you have hardly any knowledge of Australian History. Josie, had elaborated somewhat for you, in the very first time I have seen her cranky... ... During the Second World war we had a real pickle here in Australia...the Pacific Campaign...which is where your guys entered...was a rather tense and challenging time for this country...there were serious concessions being planned when the Japanese invaded Australia... We were a small country, already stretched to the wahzoo with our military at the time..(we were an agricultural and resource export country...and not very militarised)...as most of them..(our army, navy, airforce) were off in Europe helping Mother England. It is fascinating to learn that a line had literally been drawn across the country from south of Townsville, all the way across to Broome in Western Australia...(have a look on a map)...giving japan the northern half-ish of Australia...Josie s city included...Darwin. Our troops fought a bloody war in Papua New Guinea, Indonesia, Borneo against the Japanese...have a look at The Kokoda Trail..alongside US and new Zealand troops. The stolen generation of british children happened around the 1930's late in that decade, and continued on through the war....those kids were thought to be safer in Australia...as it looked at the time Hitler was going to take Britain....and yes, they were lied to...told they had relinquished their children, or the children were told their parents had died....not by Australian governments...but rather under direct orders from England. Our history is one of violence...we were original immigrants of thugs and theives...the worst of the worst, in the 1770's...shipped off to Australia the colonial gaol. Oppression was rife...and lasted well into the early 1800's....ironically, a few minor bloody battles...nothing but a mere skirmish in comparison to your history...The Eureka Stokade...to name but one...moved this country into a more self governing and peaceful place. Our Federation of states came about, and we quietly moved into freedom...we still do take it all for granted...perhaps it's the aussie way... Josie shared a very simple example of our mindsets as a country, in that we debate fiercely, tease and torment fiercely on everything with each other...and all the while we are laughing, at and with each other...even when debates become so heated and violence occurs...most times...the winner helps the loser up, dusts him off, and goes and buys him a beer. We're a larrikin country, full of clowns, and not one's to believe our own propaganda...we're tough, and hard as a country's character...we have to be...we are all extremely isolated from each capital city of each state...and our country is a harsh unforgivable land..she bakes us dry, she drowns us out...then smiles with amazing skies at us. In the movie crocodile Dundee...Mick Dundee is a satire of the typical aussie...and yet we all related...we all know a Mick Dundee type here...and we all laugh at ourselves, and the Mick's of this country. Our early European settlement is a shameful horrible part of our history, and the Indigenous Australians...you may know them as Aboriginals) are still in many ways treated as second class citizens by the government. Our past is not one of peaceful co-existance...we did not integrate peacefully in this land...or rather our ancestors from Britain did not...they brought their prejudices and racial discriminations with them. Our present, is as I described it...we don't becry at every opportunity our rights, our freedoms....we just get on with them...we all know how close it was to not being the way we are...and without your country's retaliation on japan....freedom may be something we would be aspiring towards. LOL yep thats what I was trying to say Jess, I might just message you and let you put it into words But really America has always been our support in things, your troops come over here to train with ours pretty often. |
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