Topic: Obama Lies Again, What A Shock
mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 11:48 AM

Reading comprehension.
QUOTE:
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Many women in America are, too.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/301246


Get it, now?


don't be stupid... just because a women is in a bad relationship doesn't mean she doesn't have any rights

http://www.amnesty.ca/SaudiArabia/5.php
http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011/saudi-arabia
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/87732

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 11:51 AM


Reading comprehension.
QUOTE:
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Many women in America are, too.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/301246


Get it, now?


don't be stupid... just because a women is in a bad relationship doesn't mean she doesn't have any rights

http://www.amnesty.ca/SaudiArabia/5.php
http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011/saudi-arabia
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/87732



are we talking about civil rights or slavery, as they are seperate issues,,?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 11:53 AM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 04/21/11 11:53 AM



Reading comprehension.
QUOTE:
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Many women in America are, too.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/301246


Get it, now?


don't be stupid... just because a women is in a bad relationship doesn't mean she doesn't have any rights

http://www.amnesty.ca/SaudiArabia/5.php
http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011/saudi-arabia
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/87732



are we talking about civil rights or slavery, as they are seperate issues,,?


is there a big difference?
did you read the links?

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 12:03 PM




Reading comprehension.
QUOTE:
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Many women in America are, too.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/301246


Get it, now?


don't be stupid... just because a women is in a bad relationship doesn't mean she doesn't have any rights

http://www.amnesty.ca/SaudiArabia/5.php
http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011/saudi-arabia
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/87732



are we talking about civil rights or slavery, as they are seperate issues,,?


is there a big difference?
did you read the links?



there is, civil rights issues are prevalent in all countries including the US and I would not expect them to be non existent in Saudi Arabia

slavery, as an institution, was an actual PROFIT motivated means by which a GOVERNING body was able to increase its assets through the buying and selling of humans as mere property,,,

slavery, as an institution, has been abolished in Saudi Arabia as it was in the US, although civil rights issues are still present regarding women in Saudi Arabia as much as they are present regarding minorities in america


mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 12:09 PM





Reading comprehension.
QUOTE:
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Many women in America are, too.

http://mingle2.com/topic/show/301246


Get it, now?


don't be stupid... just because a women is in a bad relationship doesn't mean she doesn't have any rights

http://www.amnesty.ca/SaudiArabia/5.php
http://www.hrw.org/en/world-report-2011/saudi-arabia
http://www.hrw.org/en/node/87732



are we talking about civil rights or slavery, as they are seperate issues,,?


is there a big difference?
did you read the links?



there is, civil rights issues are prevalent in all countries including the US and I would not expect them to be non existent in Saudi Arabia

slavery, as an institution, was an actual PROFIT motivated means by which a GOVERNING body was able to increase its assets through the buying and selling of humans as mere property,,,

slavery, as an institution, has been abolished in Saudi Arabia as it was in the US, although civil rights issues are still present regarding women in Saudi Arabia as much as they are present regarding minorities in america



http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/08/31/1799823/foreign-women-are-treated-like.html

no photo
Thu 04/21/11 12:29 PM
OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 12:33 PM

OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:22 PM


OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:27 PM



OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES


i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...

no photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:33 PM
oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that
Reading comprehension. I don't know why you would say that. It distracts from the issue. Your unfavorable comparison to "slavery" is ridiculous hyperbole. That is what it was suppose to sound like.

As MsHarmony pointed out. What you and I like is irrelevant. Niether of us has any influence over the people of Saudi Arabia. If you would like to close your eyes, click your heels three times and hope that the Saudi women will suddenly be allowed to drive and go out by themselves, be my guest.


msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:38 PM




OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES


i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...



who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:40 PM



who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life


thats cool, you don't see it, so it's not there... nice liberal attitude

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:41 PM




who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life


thats cool, you don't see it, so it's not there... nice liberal attitude




do you 'see' it? or do you 'read' someones take on it?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:45 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 04/21/11 01:45 PM





OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES


i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...



who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life


all you have to do is look it up... it's not that hard... i posted 4 links myself, there are thousands more

if you don't want to see, just say so, and i'll drop it

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:49 PM






OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES


i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...



who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life


all you have to do is look it up... it's not that hard... i posted 4 links myself, there are thousands more

if you don't want to see, just say so, and i'll drop it



I look it up, but not just from one side. My point is , there are civil rights issues everywhere. There are groups everywhere that are not happy with the mainstream culture they live in. It is up to them FIRST to change it and without evidence that THEY are making a significant effort to make change, NO, I dont feel an obligation to do for those others what they wont do for themself.

I feel there are plenty of things that I can actually do something about RIGHT HERE in my own back yard, unlike issues of other citizens across the ocean which I can not do nearly as much about.

What we consider 'oppression' is not oppression if it is what the majority WANT. If the majority in saudi have a custom of the women being protected by the men and the men having the LEGAL OBLIGATION go do that through guardianship,, that is for the majority in THAT country to decide,, not you nor I.

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:54 PM







OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES


i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...



who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life


all you have to do is look it up... it's not that hard... i posted 4 links myself, there are thousands more

if you don't want to see, just say so, and i'll drop it



I look it up, but not just from one side. My point is , there are civil rights issues everywhere. There are groups everywhere that are not happy with the mainstream culture they live in. It is up to them FIRST to change it and without evidence that THEY are making a significant effort to make change, NO, I dont feel an obligation to do for those others what they wont do for themself.

I feel there are plenty of things that I can actually do something about RIGHT HERE in my own back yard, unlike issues of other citizens across the ocean which I can not do nearly as much about.

What we consider 'oppression' is not oppression if it is what the majority WANT. If the majority in saudi have a custom of the women being protected by the men and the men having the LEGAL OBLIGATION go do that through guardianship,, that is for the majority in THAT country to decide,, not you nor I.


it is no big deal if you don't care, i thought you might, but you don't...

msharmony's photo
Thu 04/21/11 01:59 PM








OK. We'll go back to the original
women are treated worse than slaves there...


Hardly. Women are constrained by parochial societal traditions as embodied by Sharia law, Just as American women are freed by American societal norms by American Constitutional law, as embodied by laws like Roe v Wade. To say that Saudi laws is worse than slavery is ridiculous hyperbole. Saudi women do not belong to anybody. they can seek divorce from their hubands in Saudi courts, just the same as American women. If successful, the ex-husband must support them.
There is evidence that many women in Saudi Arabia do not want radical change. Even many advocates of reform reject Western critics, for "failing to understand the uniqueness of Saudi society." [3][4][5] Journalist Maha Akeel is a frequent critic of her country's patriarchal customs. Nonetheless, she agrees that Westerners criticize what they do not understand. "Look, we are not asking for ... women's rights according to Western values or lifestyles ... We want things according to what Islam says. Look at our history, our role models."[6]. . . . “It’s the culture, not the religion,” is a Saudi saying. Many Saudis do not see Islam as the main impediment to women’s rights. Said one female journalist, “If the Qur’an does not address the subject, then the clerics will err on the side of caution and make it haram (forbidden). The driving ban for women is the best example.”[9] Journalist Sabria Jawhar dismisses perceptions of Islam as patriarchal as a Western stereotype. “If all women were given the rights the Qur’an guarantees us, and not be supplanted by tribal customs, then the issue of whether Saudi women have equal rights would be reduced.”[
So, it is less a matter of constraint by the Quran, and more a matter of tribal tradition.


oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that




doesnt matter if we are ok with it, we arent living it,, it matters if the WOMEN who live it are ok with it

as I mentioned before, Im not down with someone cutting on me with knives, but if the Angelina Jolies feel a release from it,, thats for them to decide about THEIR LIVES


i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...



who says they are suffering, and how are we going to diminish ALL suffering in the world, and where should we start,, in our own country and home or in someone elses country of which we only know what a media has reported to us?

I deal with the suffering I see FOR MYSELF right here in the US, I dont presume to make victims out of other people because of how they live their life


all you have to do is look it up... it's not that hard... i posted 4 links myself, there are thousands more

if you don't want to see, just say so, and i'll drop it



I look it up, but not just from one side. My point is , there are civil rights issues everywhere. There are groups everywhere that are not happy with the mainstream culture they live in. It is up to them FIRST to change it and without evidence that THEY are making a significant effort to make change, NO, I dont feel an obligation to do for those others what they wont do for themself.

I feel there are plenty of things that I can actually do something about RIGHT HERE in my own back yard, unlike issues of other citizens across the ocean which I can not do nearly as much about.

What we consider 'oppression' is not oppression if it is what the majority WANT. If the majority in saudi have a custom of the women being protected by the men and the men having the LEGAL OBLIGATION go do that through guardianship,, that is for the majority in THAT country to decide,, not you nor I.


it is no big deal if you don't care, i thought you might, but you don't...



I care about others being able to live the life and the culture THEY wish,,,,

no photo
Thu 04/21/11 02:05 PM
i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...

So what would you be willing to do about it? do you think we should be threatening to bomb and invade Saudi Arabia if they don't let women drive and go outside alone?

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 02:47 PM

i understand if you want to turn your back on your sisters suffering, there is nothing you can do anyway...your right, it is their problem, not ours...

So what would you be willing to do about it? do you think we should be threatening to bomb and invade Saudi Arabia if they don't let women drive and go outside alone?


i'm doing something right now, by telling people about their hardships... more than anything you've done, since you just don't care

mightymoe's photo
Thu 04/21/11 02:49 PM

oh, ok... they don't need to be equal... even if they wanted to leave, they can't unless a man says it's ok... sounds like your good with that
Reading comprehension. I don't know why you would say that. It distracts from the issue. Your unfavorable comparison to "slavery" is ridiculous hyperbole. That is what it was suppose to sound like.

As MsHarmony pointed out. What you and I like is irrelevant. Niether of us has any influence over the people of Saudi Arabia. If you would like to close your eyes, click your heels three times and hope that the Saudi women will suddenly be allowed to drive and go out by themselves, be my guest.




then do nothing, typical liberal response...it doesn't concern you, then why should you care? go back to republican bashing, it's all you know how to do anyway