Parking spaces! What if you got twenty people to look for parking spaces downtown of a Saturday evening? Ten could pray and the others not. Or fishing. Do people that pray for fish catch more than those that don't?

If god helps people in their daily lives, these should be workable experiments. And simple to measure.

Your assuming that God would say "Yes" to all the prayers and therefor give the spaces.

If it's not God's will to give them the spaces then your experiment would not be measured properly.

On the other hand, If you go to the right church, at the right time you could as I have witnessed a few miracles. You would then form your own opinion based on what you saw.

I like the way you are thinking about this, and want to point out that this would only be true for a god that had an effect on the universe.

I don't see how we could find evidence for nor against the god of the Deists - who created the universe and then let it go, on its own, without further involvement. When scientists speak of "believing in God", this is often the kind of god they believe in. Also, I'm told that most of the "founding fathers" of the US believed in this kind of god.

Awesome.

OBE - reproduce your experience under observation, and provide information which you truly could not have provided without an OBE.


Reincarnation - provide verifiable historical details to questions posed to you by a researcher, which you could not possibly have known without your previous-life memories.


These things have been tried, and they have failed. Also, due to the credulity of the people who want to believe in these things, some of these failures were mis-interpreted as success.

People don't really know what prayer is. Ask and it is given. That is the law of attraction. In order to be successful you have to know the right way to pray.

It is not a prayer in the religious sense. It has to do with attractive and repulsive energy which has to do with thought and belief.

If you think ten times that you want a parking space and visualize you will get it and you see it in your mind you will probably get it. Unless another ten visual pictures pop up in your mind that show you not getting it. 10 to 10 equals a stalemate. You are almost there. Now, if you can see a very strong picture of #11 and in that picture you are getting the space, then you will win.

On the other hand if you don't believe that, and see you not getting it you will loose.

The wining action/thought can be recognized. If you are excited about getting the spot, and everything goes according to plan you will win. If you are worried or feeling anxious about it, you will loose.

I'm not so sure I can agree with that. Sometimes unbelief on the part of the people conducting these experiments can cause them to come to their own conclusions. It can work both ways.

how is this different than the existence or non-existence of GOD or how man was made originally...

Oh, most definitely! I'm not interested in the conclusions of the researchers, I'm interested in the records that they kept of the experiment process.

I have read of some incidents that seemed very convincing but I don't believe I know of any experiments done scientifically. Truth is stranger than fiction. I do believe we are incarnated into all different locations in spacetime. What exactly "we" are is a different subject altogether.

Maybe we are some blob of energy plugged into a giant universal computer experiencing a virtual dream world or holographic simulated universe.

I agree with the OP - the existence of God that is actively involved in the universe may fall within the domain of evidence and reason.

A god that exists outside of time and space, and who never involves herself in the universe - her possible existence is non-falsifiable, and outside of the domain of evidence and reason.

As far as how man was made originally - this we cannot investigate directly with controlled experiments, we must rely on an abundant amount of remaining, indirect evidence.

Have I answered your question? I'm not clear on what you were asking.

Just to clarify the intention behind my statements: the original question was how does one prove OBE and origin of humanity scientifically - which is a different topic than 'what might be true'. 'What might be true' is a far larger set than 'what can be shown to be true'.

Ah yes... OBE.

Of course that assumes that "we" are "inside" the body.

your answer was great, my question was actually in reference to the the relation between the previous quote though, as for OBE, and reincarnation studies as is the existence of GOD... I do not understand how many diverse religions and beliefs there are and why certain ones are being challenged constantly when in reality I have yet to see anything that confirm nor deny anyones opinion scientifically speaking...

your answer was great, my question was actually in reference to the the relation between the previous quote though, as for OBE, and reincarnation studies as is the existence of GOD... I do not understand how many diverse religions and beliefs there are and why certain ones are being challenged constantly when in reality I have yet to see anything that confirm nor deny anyones opinion scientifically speaking...

For scientific experiments,so many things ar involvd,we need to mak records n tak data.records which must includ d measurments,conditions,etc.data of events,we can even av sets of domain.scientist av neva seen any need to preoccupy themselvs in such a research else,i believ a way wld av bn fashiond out to tak des important measurments.all that exist ar scientific,they'r atoms n spaces.prayers ar thoughtforms n intensities can be measurd but d impact on d receiver n d reaction is d problem.ow do we measure

I'm sorry Denman78 I can't make heads or tails out of this post. Is your keyboard malfunctioning?

D reaction fro someone we cant see nor feel excpt spiritually.a way out,in gas laws,ther ar no ideal gases n real gases dont obey d laws yet,gas laws stil hold.so,we mak out som1 as d receiver n measur d impact of d prayer focusd towards him.i'l stop her 4 now...my head is heavy.d whole thing is ........

I'm not sure that the phrasing does, necessarily - only that all of our 'normal', waking experiences occur from the vantage point 'within' the body.

waking, but what about the part where you are looking down at your body from outside of it....and still carrying on thought and emotion?