You make the mistake of assuming that I am a champion or defender of the paranormal (or belief in the paranormal) and that I would waste my time trying to prove something to you about it.

I won't.

I have not attacked your precious beliefs about "science" so you don't need to take such a defensive posture.

That is wise. ;)


I have not attacked your precious beliefs about "science" so you don't need to take such a defensive posture.





Sticks and stones.

I guess I'm old school Internet-- people used to present interesting, little-known facts like the existence of HeLa cells in posts to support their arguments and give people references where they could read and learn more about them. Now, it seems all we have left in the arena of ideas is American Idol popularity contests.

Oh well.


-Kerry O.

Kerry O

Not everything is an "argument" or is meant to be an argument.

I don't know who you are arguing with, but it certainly isn't me. I wasn't even talking about psychics catching criminals.

I know what I know about what I know. I don't care to waste my time trying to convince the whole world of anything. I don't even know what it is that you want me to attempt to 'prove' or support.

Its like you are having an argument with an unknown person in your own mind.

I hope you get it all worked out with yourself.

Oh please. You're constantly smuggling New Age wishful thinking into this group while damning science with faint praise and snide little remarks/emoticons.

Now you're resorting to ad hominem attacks on anyone who dares to oppose you and using word lawyering to misrepresent points. I merely was pointing out the fallacy and double standards in your 'points' using logic and facts, and it appears you don't like that.

That's fine. But the post you just made above was CLEARLY out of line-- it's always intellectually dishonest to attempt to paint your opponent as delusional to win an argument or to try to silence them-- especially when you claim you aren't even interested in the argument.

If you're so sure I'm not talking to you or about you, then might I suggest a new strategy? DON"T LISTEN. Stop trying to get the last word-- it's not all that it's cracked up to be if you're sure about yourself.


-Kerry O.

Kerry O

I get it that you don't like any reference to anything paranormal inside of a "science & Philosophy" forum, but why then, would the topic of "The God hypothesis" and prayer be in this forum in the first place? That itself is addressing the paranormal, and it is an invitation to such references.

I get it that you are annoyed at my style and what you call my "new age wishful thinking." I can clearly see that you have a "bone to pick" with me and anyone (or someone) like me who dares to think outside of your box.

If you want to respond to me on any subject, then simply read what I write and respond to that and stop injecting your own attitudes and assumptions onto me.

Religion it self has a funny way of showing people oh look theres a man in the clouds watching over you.Or this god all forgiven but yet if this god is all forgiven then why did this god give his only son to be staked to a cross for every ones sins when this god could simply forgive every one him self.Now that i may have your attention praying as a child we all taught to pray befor bed may i ask this?Now let's say your on your death bed you have cancer now if you pray is this god going to heal you as u never had it? That would be something every time you get hurt u pray hey god heal me and poof it happens.Another reason that i believe SCIENCE is far greater better computers better tec and better ways to treat cancer,heart attacks,etc

As a athiest i can simply say that if there was such a god to even listen to you pray then where is this god and why dont this god show it self?

Religenis funny to END OF ALL LIVING THINGS.This preacher speaks out with 200 mill followers says end of the worlds comming what a joke that was he claime the bible fortold to him it will happen.Now can u imagine how many people quit there jobs locked them selfs away from every one i had a chat with a person in africa this person told me that in his town people had killed them selfs over this. jim jones 1978 900 people died drinking posin belived in god etc.So but a lot blaim the athiest say we slander there god i say how can we slander some one if that some one dont exsist.

My best advice is dont believe everything people right in books or in news papers and if you pray to a god and say heal me or money,new car,bring my dead friend family member back to live u realy think it will happen?

I take back what I said earlier about "all" atheists.

Actually I prayed for a car and I got it. (Two weeks later.)
I didn't have to pay one thin dime for it. It had only 9000 miles on it.

It was the exact perfect car I prayed for too. Easy on gas, electric windows and seats, nice looking, small, had air conditioning. etc. Exactly what I prayed for!

Dead is dead, I would never pray for a dead family member to come back. Particularly my X-husband.

eewww that would be too creepy.

Some of us atheists are better then some and i can say that i had my share of debates about religion and when i question where is the proof they sit there for a moment get mad and deffend them selfs.I also have this thing i doont care who believes what but if a person decides to question me or talk religion to me i hope they have plenty of hours we r talking about a debate lol.

Religion has gone to far it's become not just a believe it is used in power, money,control, as i said that 85 old preacher i read had 200 mil people now if this preacher says the worlds comming to a end and says take your life can you realy imagine how many would do it?and this is part of following a man who speaks on his god's word.

Acording to the bible jesus came back from the dead now how can any one exsplain that one. When we know when your dead your dead but i believe 5 or is it 7 mins if they cant revive you in time they call it time of death .Let's look and see what the bible says this guy staked to a cross a spear to his side and thorns on his head but yet he comes back from the dead? Or better yet father,son,holy ghost also known as the holy trinity now if a god can be all three then jesus,god,holy ghost 1 in 3 / 3 in 1 planted the seed in to mary now this may sound sick but would a person think this is normal? We r talking about jesus having sex with his own mother with the holy ghost and god but the holy trinity says In most Christian faiths, the union of three divine persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one God. Also called Trine.

Now if any one can try to debate that then you need to read up and understand it.


Now as for Holy Communion what do you realy know about it? The Body and Blood of Christ another words when you recieve Communion your not only eating fleah but washing it down with his blood wich is called Cannibalism Now thease are the teachings from christen faith from the bible . I can go on and on and on about this lol.

What you are talking about Mike, is religion. I agree with you that its a bunch of malarkey. I would never argue with you about that.

I probably wouldn't argue with you about much of anything.