Each cell in your body has a specific job to do and it knows what its job is. It is part of the "thinking stuff." It works together with other parts of the "thinking stuff" to form eventually an entire system which is the human body.

But if this cell was not a thinking part, it would not be able to work with any other thinking parts.

The thinking stuff of the universe works the same way. It responds to vibrations, which are thoughts, or observations or feelings of any kind in order to act.

With the use of hypnotism, a person can be cured or freed from pain, made to see things that are not there, or not see things that are there. What is this magic? It is the power of thought and belief.

Asking for evidence isn't closed minded. Closed mindedness is when confronted with overwhelming evidence, one still chooses not to agree. Like the fundamental christians who refuse to believe the evidence for evolution.

No time? You seem to have enough time to sit in front of a computer and post your ideas on a forum. You don't have time to type "law of attraction" into google and post a link?

My only agenda is to smack down the spreaders of BS.

Cells don't think anymore than a chemicals do. If I mix baking soda and vinegar, I get a reaction. However, that doesn't mean the baking soda and vinegar are thinking. If you are suggesting they are, I'm going to be asking you for evidence to back up this claim.

As for hypnotism, it's all BS too. If the hypnotist has a strong enough personality his subjects just go along with what he says. That is what the research says.

You might want to learn more about hypnotism before you just call it B.S. That seems to be your answer to everything.

That's being closed minded.

The time (and energy) it would take to present my evidence(or reasoning) to you would be wasted; especially since you seem to have an agenda, and seem to just want to argue, and have already made up your mind.

It looks like you want other people to do all the work proving or disproving the existence of God TO YOU.

WHY?

You should just let other people be. Let other people believe and say what they want. You don't have to listen. Find something more constructive to do if you do't like the "B.S." Don't listen to it then. Simple solution.

I don't think you guys are using the word 'thinking' in the same way.

You are correct.

The kind of "thinking" a cell does is very small compared to the complex kind of thinking humans do.

But it is more than just a chemical reaction like he thinks it is.

If all we amount to is a bunch of chemical reactions, then at what point do we suddenly become conscious and aware?

He has never attempted to answer my questions regarding this.

I beg to differ. One can't swing a dead cat on Internet religion boards without hitting scores of Biblical Inerrantists who think the bible is THE Literal Word of God. Period. End of Discussion.

The last time I brought up the Midianites on a religion board on this site, one such apologist made a spirited argument that God Almighty answers to no mere human code of justice and that the Midiantite children were 'being saved from evil' by being slaughtered by Moses, et al. And that no mere Unbeliever really understands that logic.

Well, thank God for that.


-Kerry O.

I've heard that same argument. Even if that were the case, the thing that I find abhorrent and ungodly is that this so-called God had Moses ask his armies to take their swords and slaughter men, women and children without mercy.

If God is so God-almighty powerful, he could have simply sucked the life out of these people himself.

Hence my conclusion is that Moses was a big fat LIAR. He never talked to God at all. OR some ALIEN was posing as the almighty God.

I would say to that God.... DO YOUR OWN KILLING.

That whole affair reminds me more of the Salem Witch Trials, where the righteos bring the 'evil' to God's justice as a cover for their own gain and nefarious purposes.

Or, this scene from Star Trek V: The Final Frontier:



-Kerry O.

VERY GOOD EXAMPLE!

Just because some nincompoops try to take the bible literally with
all it's weirdness and inscrutable passages, contradictions and
inconsistencies...

This does not mean that all interpretations are wrong or pointless

You might as well rail against Harry Potter because "it's not real"
and some people think it is.



It's still an interesting and influential story though not as
influential and historic as the bible and other of humankinds
seminal works on morality and philosophy...



don't take it SO SERIOUSLY



yeah yeah I know...but there are FUNDAMENTALISTS

How much time does it take to do a google search and post a link?

My question was if the god hypothesis is within the realm of scientific study. Not if god is real. However, no one seems to be addressing that question.

People are free to believe what they want. But, when someone starts spouting nonsense, I call them on it. Why should peoples views on god get more respect than their views on baseball or politics or music?

If I said the Texas Rangers were the best team in baseball history someone would come along and post stats that said otherwise. Why? Because the Rangers are not the best team. But, I could argue they are because they have so much heart or some other BS. But, it doesn't change the facts.



But I did answer that. I explained how a complex series algorithms, all working together gives the impression of consciousness without any one part being conscious itself. I also posted a link to a video where Daniel Dennitt explained it. Here it is again:

http://www.ted.com/talks/dan_dennett_on_our_consciousness.html

I watched that video and Dan Dennett did not explain a thing, nor did he answer my question.




So are you suggesting that we are not conscious, and that we simply are "giving the impression" that we are? I find that funny.



My "evidence" is not as simple as a google search or a posted link.

It actually involves personal experience and compiled information from real books that are here in my bookshelves, and involves my personal world view.

That would probably take a lot of time to explain, and I'm not going to claim that all of it would be correct or all of it scientific.

But I do actually agree with you that if there is a God that has an effect on this reality, then what is it?

You chose "prayer" as an example.

I believe I know how this reality (creation) is formed and I believe that thought has a lot to do with it. The nature of reality is a lot weirder than we think.

My over-all "theory of everything" is loosely based on known science, but the way you are approaching the question is like you are barking up the wrong tree.

MY ANSWER WOULD BE:
NO their is no deity sitting in some heaven answering prayers. So your study is pointless.

Ask a better question.

Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. What evidence do you have that you are actually conscious? And before you go off about how obvious it is, take a good, hard look at Dennitt's book, "Consciousness Explained."



My "evidence" is not as simple as a google search or a posted link.

It actually involves personal experience and compiled information from real books that are here in my bookshelves, and involves my personal world view.

That would probably take a lot of time to explain, and I'm not going to claim that all of it would be correct or all of it scientific.

But I do actually agree with you that if there is a God that has an effect on this reality, then what is it?

You chose "prayer" as an example.

I believe I know how this reality (creation) is formed and I believe that thought has a lot to do with it. The nature of reality is a lot weirder than we think.

My over-all "theory of everything" is loosely based on known science, but the way you are approaching the question is like you are barking up the wrong tree.

MY ANSWER WOULD BE:
NO their is no deity sitting in some heaven answering prayers. So your study is pointless.

Ask a better question.

If you don't like my question, you are free to ignore it.

You're right not to post your "evidence." Personal experience is not valid evidence anyway and I wouldn't accept it as such.

After all, I could post about my personal experience with with the giant teapot that orbits the sun between Mars and Jupiter and how much better my life is because of it. But, I don't think you'd believe me.

Many of your claims sound just as ludicrous as that to me.

I've said many times, it doesn't matter what god is in this question. Only if god has an effect and if so can it be measured. It's not what is god, but what does god do that concerns me here.

As to the pointlessness of such a study, if there were hard evidence that god does not effect the universe in any measurable way, it would have huge implications on the beliefs of millions around the world. Maybe it would even stop a few killings in the name of god.

Nope...

There will allways be insane humans willing to twist the concept of God to justify their own psycosocial need to kill...

and humans that wish to use the concept of god to control other humans.

I don't know about that. The old gods have been dropping like flies for the last 1000 years or so. No one worships Zeus or Odin anymore. No one makes sacrifices to Ra or Osiris. Jupiter and Mars are remembered only as names of planets.

There are only a couple left now.

Well that's the most silly thing you've said yet. I would not waste my time or money on Dennett's book.

Even according to the standard and accepted definition of conscious, I am conscious. Consciousness comes in degrees.



I was making a suggestion for your benefit not mine with the incorrect idea that you wanted to learn something. But that is not your agenda apparently.



(My)Personal experience is the most valid evidence from my point of view.



Your claim that we are not conscious is ludicrous.



That's YOUR B.S. What annoys you are people who don't believe the same way as you.



Perfect example of your agenda trying to change other people's beliefs, and playing the "killings in the name of god" card.

War has always been for conquest and profit. Not God. Religious ideals and propaganda was simply used on the clueless people to get them riled up.

But they are too clueless to believe any "study" or someone's conclusions about it, so its still pointless.

Yeh get rid of the mythical Gods and people can worship their new alien ruler!

That's like this statement:

Its not what is skjsiol, but but what does skjsiol do that concerns me here.

I would think if you had some vague idea what skjsiol is, then you might be able to understand what skjsiol does or does not do.