I'm sorry Cowboy but I don't accept anything you have to say here. You're attempting to belittle God and reduce God to the helplessness of a mere mortal person.

You say,


Humans go to war because they feel they have no other way to solve the problem. Let's hope they aren't going to war because it's their preferred method of solving a problem!

With God all things are possible. So you can't have a God "sacrificing his son" to save mankind. That would imply that God was either too inept to figure out a better way to solve the problem, thus being less than "all-wise", or that he had no choice, which would imply that's he's not all-powerful and not all things are possible for him.

So your lame analogy of comparing God with the desperate acts of humans who can't do any better only suggests that you believe that God is just as helpless and inept as mortal men.

You can't have an all-powerful, all-wise God doing "desperate things" because he has no choice to do better. That would be an inept God who can't do any better than mere mortal men.

So your analogy breaks down in a deeply serious way.

I don't buy it.

You're asking me to believe that God is just as helpless and powerless as mere mortal men.

With God all things are possible. So you can't have a God "sacrificing his son" to save mankind. That would imply that God was either too inept to figure out a better way to solve the problem, thus being less than "all-wise", or that he had no choice, which would imply that's he's not all-powerful and not all things are possible for him.

God didn't sacrifice Jesus. Jesus sacrificed himself. And God is all powerful and all knowing. That is the reason it's such a beautiful loving thing Jesus did. Jesus knew the outcome of his coming and giving us the new covenant, but was willing to do it regardless of the outcome of the crucifixion. Jesus was willing to go through the pain and agony of the crucifixion for you because he loves you.

Anyone who incarnates on the earth knows the outcome. We live here and we will die here.

Christians say that Jesus died, yet they say that he still lives. They say that he rose from the dead. Therefor he did not sacrifice anything. He merely did what every human on earth eventually does. Die in the flesh. Jesus's life is eternal and guaranteed by God. He has nothing to fear. Humans on the other hand, fear hell and damnation. They don't know if their personality will survive physical death.

So there was no real sacrifice except that Jesus had to spend 33 years or so in human form.

Jeanniebean writes:

"On the one hand, they say that it is not your physical life or death that matters, it is your soul. Then on the other hand they make a big deal about Jesus who 'sacrificed' his life."

Yes, so now, we all have the opportunity to enter heaven. No longer are we held back by the sins of our fathers. We now control whether we will spend eternity with God.

That is why this is such a big deal.

A more relevant question is why you do not feel worthy of Christ's love.

That's not relevant at all.

You assume way too much. Christ is free to love me all he wants.
and I am free to love God any way and in my own way.

And killing his own brother had nothing to do with his punishment?

No it did. But that's not the point I was trying to make here.

All I'm saying is just because you worship God in your own way does not make it right.

But, do you love Christ?

You know nothing about how I worship God and you are in no position to make any judgments. This thread is not about religion it is about God.

Yes, but it was the one that put him over the top, so to speak. It was because of his brother's murder that caused God to punish him.

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Shiningarmour's post was in response to freakyshiki2009's post. Wasn't directed at you.

Huh, who knew I could learn something from the anti christian chat? Oh! sorry the "General religion chat"

You are saying General Religion is antiChristian. We will agree to disagree here. I believe this topic includes, but is not limited to, Christianity.