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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude.  Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. I know that, it is you that don't understand what I am talking about. Christians think that when Christianity is dead that God will be dead, because they think they own God. |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. I know that, it is you that don't understand what I am talking about. Christians think that when Christianity is dead that God will be dead, because they think they own God. No, Christianity will never be dead nor will God. Don't know where you're getting this stuff. |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. If no one owns God, then no religion, no book can own Him and His truth either. |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. I know that, it is you that don't understand what I am talking about. Christians think that when Christianity is dead that God will be dead, because they think they own God. No, Christianity will never be dead nor will God. Don't know where you're getting this stuff. We are entering a new age and it will be the end of Christianity. But it will not be the end of God. It won't happen in your lifetime though, but you can see it has begun already. I have looked a hundreds of profiles and I find very few that say 'Christian' most of them say "non-religious." |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. I know that, it is you that don't understand what I am talking about. Christians think that when Christianity is dead that God will be dead, because they think they own God. No, Christianity will never be dead nor will God. Don't know where you're getting this stuff. We are entering a new age and it will be the end of Christianity. But it will not be the end of God. It won't happen in your lifetime though, but you can see it has begun already. I have looked a hundreds of profiles and I find very few that say 'Christian' most of them say "non-religious." That's how you figure Christianity is going to be dead?
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Not "how" its just a fact that people are evolving spiritually they are changing their ways of thinking about God and challenging what they are told to believe. People are getting smarter, that's all. They are taking more responsibility for their own lives and souls.
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Catholicism is the only truly organized Christianity that ever existed.
Protestantism has always been nothing more than a rebellion against the organized religion of Catholicism. The very nature of Protestantism is to protest against organized religion. Of course, there also exist their extreme irony that many Protestant denominations themselves act as if they have more authority to speak for God that the Catholics do. But those denominations were clearly created and caused by arrogant protestant individuals who had secret personal ambitions to become self-appointed Popes. Usually protestant denominations are organized and run by individuals who have very strong personal views, and claim to speak for God usually holding a bible high in the air to assure everyone that this is the book that GIVES THEM AUTHORITY to speak for God.  So truly all that these Protestant denominations amount to are little tiny rebellious pockets of Anti-Catholicism, and quote often Anti-other-Protestantisms.  Of course they never preach it that way. They always just act like they have the absolute truth and everyone is simply mistaken or confused. This has been going on for so long now that there are more different Protestant denominations than you can shake a stick at. If all of these religions were listed separately instead of all being placed under the umbrella of "Christianity" suddenly Christianity would be among the smallest of the religions in the world. In fact here's a chart:  As you can see Catholicism (the only true Christianity) is only about 17% of the world's population. All the Protestant rebels are actually divided among themselves into much smaller groups. Moreover, notice on the left side of the pie chart, if you actually combine Buddhism, Hinduism, and many of the "other" mystical religions in the gray piece, you can quickly see that Mysticism in general far outweighs Christianity even if you include the protesting protestants. The only way that the so-called "biblical God" or "Abrahamic God" can be seen as a major religion is if you count Islam as being support for the God of Abraham. As far as I can see a belief in a mystical aspect of God far outweighs Christianity in terms of the world's population. Moreover, studies have shown that the FASTING GROWING religion today is "Designer Christianity", or some people call it "Salad Bar Christianity", or yet another term that the Christians themselves prefer is "A Personal Walk With God". All this amounts to is Protestantism taking it's final stance to rebel against all orthodox views of Christianity and organized religious establishments. In fact it was these very Protestant Christians who actually coined the term "Churchianity" which they renounce in favor of a "Personal Walk with Jesus or God". So the orthodox organized Christian religion is taking a nose dive in favor of people rebelling against (or Protesting against) Churches and a dogmatic view of the religion. So this is just Protestantism coming into FULL BLOOM. Protestants aren't even interested in Protestant "Paper Popes" anymore. They don't want any popes at all. Nor even Churches. At least not highly authoritarian church that preach strict dogma. If they're going to have a "church" they just want it to be a community center where they can do humanitarian work without having to tell, or be told, how to worship God. That had to be the fate of "Protestantism". It was written in the stars the day that Protestantism was born. You can't protest against a Catholic Pope and a strict organized dogma and expect that protest to lead right back to the very same situation. It had to lead to FREEDOM from religious authority and freedom from having to do as a Pope demands, (whether he be paper or flesh).  Although the term "Paper" in "Paper Pope" doesn't refer to the material that the pope is made of. It's just a term that means that self-appointed Protestant "popes" obtain their "power" from their own personal interpretations of the "paper" (i.e. the Bible itself, the printed word). This is why the Paper Popes often hold up a Bible to DISPLAY their AUTHORITY to speak for GOD. They are supposedly holding the "Word of God" in their hand thus implying that they must be speaking for God. So Protestantism is rapidly dying out. As is Catholicism actually. What we see today are the last gasps of flames spewing from the mouth of the Dragon of Protestantism as it collapses from the weight of its own arrogance. They'll be many self-appointed Protestant Paper Popes trying to revive the deadly beast. And some of them will have charisma and spark momentary followings and "revivals", but they will all be short-lived and slowly fade away until the dragons of Protestantism finally become a mythology of the past. Just my thoughts on the matter.  |
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By the way, looking at the chart I just posted in my previous post I see that this survey has Christian Protestant at 5.78% just about equal with Buddhism at 5.84%
So it looks like Buddhism and Christian Protestantism are on precisely equal footing by this pie chart.  By the way, that "Other Christians" probably refers to "Designer Christians". People who check the box marked "Christianity" but refuse to be associated with any particular organized denomination of Christianity. They just want to have a "Personal Walk with Jesus". And as you can see, there are at least as many of them as their are "Protestants" at 5.77% I like this chart.  I think it reveals a lot. I just found this right now doing a quick Google search. |
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Catholicism is the only truly organized Christianity that ever existed. Protestantism has always been nothing more than a rebellion against the organized religion of Catholicism. The very nature of Protestantism is to protest against organized religion. Of course, there also exist their extreme irony that many Protestant denominations themselves act as if they have more authority to speak for God that the Catholics do. But those denominations were clearly created and caused by arrogant protestant individuals who had secret personal ambitions to become self-appointed Popes. Usually protestant denominations are organized and run by individuals who have very strong personal views, and claim to speak for God usually holding a bible high in the air to assure everyone that this is the book that GIVES THEM AUTHORITY to speak for God. So truly all that these Protestant denominations amount to are little tiny rebellious pockets of Anti-Catholicism, and quote often Anti-other-Protestantisms. Of course they never preach it that way. They always just act like they have the absolute truth and everyone is simply mistaken or confused. This has been going on for so long now that there are more different Protestant denominations than you can shake a stick at. If all of these religions were listed separately instead of all being placed under the umbrella of "Christianity" suddenly Christianity would be among the smallest of the religions in the world. In fact here's a chart: As you can see Catholicism (the only true Christianity) is only about 17% of the world's population. All the Protestant rebels are actually divided among themselves into much smaller groups. Moreover, notice on the left side of the pie chart, if you actually combine Buddhism, Hinduism, and many of the "other" mystical religions in the gray piece, you can quickly see that Mysticism in general far outweighs Christianity even if you include the protesting protestants. The only way that the so-called "biblical God" or "Abrahamic God" can be seen as a major religion is if you count Islam as being support for the God of Abraham. As far as I can see a belief in a mystical aspect of God far outweighs Christianity in terms of the world's population. Moreover, studies have shown that the FASTING GROWING religion today is "Designer Christianity", or some people call it "Salad Bar Christianity", or yet another term that the Christians themselves prefer is "A Personal Walk With God". All this amounts to is Protestantism taking it's final stance to rebel against all orthodox views of Christianity and organized religious establishments. In fact it was these very Protestant Christians who actually coined the term "Churchianity" which they renounce in favor of a "Personal Walk with Jesus or God". So the orthodox organized Christian religion is taking a nose dive in favor of people rebelling against (or Protesting against) Churches and a dogmatic view of the religion. So this is just Protestantism coming into FULL BLOOM. Protestants aren't even interested in Protestant "Paper Popes" anymore. They don't want any popes at all. Nor even Churches. At least not highly authoritarian church that preach strict dogma. If they're going to have a "church" they just want it to be a community center where they can do humanitarian work without having to tell, or be told, how to worship God. That had to be the fate of "Protestantism". It was written in the stars the day that Protestantism was born. You can't protest against a Catholic Pope and a strict organized dogma and expect that protest to lead right back to the very same situation. It had to lead to FREEDOM from religious authority and freedom from having to do as a Pope demands, (whether he be paper or flesh). Although the term "Paper" in "Paper Pope" doesn't refer to the material that the pope is made of. It's just a term that means that self-appointed Protestant "popes" obtain their "power" from their own personal interpretations of the "paper" (i.e. the Bible itself, the printed word). This is why the Paper Popes often hold up a Bible to DISPLAY their AUTHORITY to speak for GOD. They are supposedly holding the "Word of God" in their hand thus implying that they must be speaking for God. So Protestantism is rapidly dying out. As is Catholicism actually. What we see today are the last gasps of flames spewing from the mouth of the Dragon of Protestantism as it collapses from the weight of its own arrogance. They'll be many self-appointed Protestant Paper Popes trying to revive the deadly beast. And some of them will have charisma and spark momentary followings and "revivals", but they will all be short-lived and slowly fade away until the dragons of Protestantism finally become a mythology of the past. Just my thoughts on the matter. my thoughts it is through Jesus we are saved no intangible object can save us, although reading can increase our knowledge and the options we choose from in our life no label, religious or non, is what saves us, ,it only serves to seperate us by our details, much like a family name seperates our immediate biological bonds from our more universal ones I have read nowhere in the scripture that ONLY believing that Jesus is this or that or the other will save us(that would of course automatically leave out any of those who dont read or who live in isolated areas where Jesus was never taught) but indeed people can live Gods word, without ever having read it,, just as sure that those who read it dont always live by it in the end, its a futile guessing game/debate to try to make superior and inferior humans the foundation of faith God will judge, and while we live we can make the best decisions we can about a life in accordance with what he sent his son to teach us, if we are christians and those who are not christians, likewise can make the best decisions they can about a life that FEELS 'right'(not to be confused with feeling 'good') because I do believe Jesus exists in our conscience |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. I know that, it is you that don't understand what I am talking about. Christians think that when Christianity is dead that God will be dead, because they think they own God. No, Christianity will never be dead nor will God. Don't know where you're getting this stuff. We are entering a new age and it will be the end of Christianity. But it will not be the end of God. It won't happen in your lifetime though, but you can see it has begun already. I have looked a hundreds of profiles and I find very few that say 'Christian' most of them say "non-religious." Oh but this is merely a fulfillment of a prophecy already told to us. We have already been told that closer we get to the end of times, less people will uphold the name of God. We have already been told this will happen, why would you ever think it would be some form of surprise? Or something we didn't already know? And nevertheless God will never be "dead" nor will Christianity. As long as there is at least one person upholding our father's name Christianity exists. |
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No I do. I simply choose not to cast my pearls before swine Now that is a perfect example of how Christians think they know everything and they think they own a monopoly on God. Plus its just rude. Again no one "owns" God. He is there for anyone and everyone to be shared. I know that, it is you that don't understand what I am talking about. Christians think that when Christianity is dead that God will be dead, because they think they own God. No, Christianity will never be dead nor will God. Don't know where you're getting this stuff. We are entering a new age and it will be the end of Christianity. But it will not be the end of God. It won't happen in your lifetime though, but you can see it has begun already. I have looked a hundreds of profiles and I find very few that say 'Christian' most of them say "non-religious." Oh but this is merely a fulfillment of a prophecy already told to us. We have already been told that closer we get to the end of times, less people will uphold the name of God. We have already been told this will happen, why would you ever think it would be some form of surprise? Or something we didn't already know? And nevertheless God will never be "dead" nor will Christianity. As long as there is at least one person upholding our father's name Christianity exists. You keep thinking your religion has control over how God is worshipped, but it doesn't. Wake up. To say any belief system is total truth and only they are is extremely arrogant. Many can and do believe in God but not the Bible's God, doesn't make them any less valid. |
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Oh but this is merely a fulfillment of a prophecy already told to us. We have already been told that closer we get to the end of times, less people will uphold the name of God. We have already been told this will happen, why would you ever think it would be some form of surprise? I did not say less people will uphold the name of God. I said that the organize religion of Christianity will come to an end. |
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Oh but this is merely a fulfillment of a prophecy already told to us. We have already been told that closer we get to the end of times, less people will uphold the name of God. We have already been told this will happen, why would you ever think it would be some form of surprise? I did not say less people will uphold the name of God. I said that the organize religion of Christianity will come to an end. I think peoples definitions will just change,,if thats what you mean. Like abra suggesting that catholicism was the TRUE christianity. as cowboy has stated before, the ROOT word of christianity is CHRIST. As long as there are those who believe in the teachings of Christ, there will be christians, and as long as they congregate together (whatever label they give themself) there will be christianity the religions name might change , who knows, but the religion will not come to an end |
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MsHarmony wrote: my thoughts it is through Jesus we are saved That would only be true if you believe that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God of the Old Testament. A God who can only be appeased by blood sacrifices. I don't believe that the Old Testament contains sane enough stories to be the word of any God. I don't believe in "Sacrificial Lambs". I don't believe in a God who is appeased by blood and guts and gore. So see no reason to accept your assertion that it is through Jesus we are "saved". Saved from what? The wrath of God?  As far as I'm concerned that's already an insane notion right there. |
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MsHarmony wrote: my thoughts it is through Jesus we are saved That would only be true if you believe that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God of the Old Testament. A God who can only be appeased by blood sacrifices. I don't believe that the Old Testament contains sane enough stories to be the word of any God. I don't believe in "Sacrificial Lambs". I don't believe in a God who is appeased by blood and guts and gore. So see no reason to accept your assertion that it is through Jesus we are "saved". Saved from what? The wrath of God? As far as I'm concerned that's already an insane notion right there. I don't believe that the Old Testament contains sane enough stories to be the word of any God. I don't believe in "Sacrificial Lambs". I don't believe in a God who is appeased by blood and guts and gore God isn't appeased by blood, guts, and gore. God is pleased by the showing of love by giving something up that is important. It is the fact of making a SACRIFICE on your own to yourself to show your sincerity. It's not about the blood, guts, and gore. It's about giving up something that is/was important. So see no reason to accept your assertion that it is through Jesus we are "saved". Saved from what? Saved from death. Death is put on us as a punishment from what we "the human race" did in the past to God. Jesus offers forgiveness of our trespasses and offers eternal life through his blood. |
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Cowboy wrote: God isn't appeased by blood, guts, and gore. God is pleased by the showing of love by giving something up that is important. It is the fact of making a SACRIFICE on your own to yourself to show your sincerity. It's not about the blood, guts, and gore. It's about giving up something that is/was important. The story is about blood, guts and gore whether you confess it or not. I personally don't believe that an all-wise God would need to stoop to such ignorant disgusting things to teach a concept of LOVE. So I see no reason to believe that these stories can be anything more than the sick demented superstitions of men. Saved from death. Death is put on us as a punishment from what we "the human race" did in the past to God. Jesus offers forgiveness of our trespasses and offers eternal life through his blood. I have no desire to be saved from death. In fact, if God is as the Biblical doctrine describes him to be, I would choose death over being "saved". That would be my choice. I would even offer this choice politely to the biblical God face to face and have no hard feelings toward him. If he harbored hard feelings toward me for not accepting his "gift" of eternal life that would be his egotistical frailty and pride. And besides, the Christian Biblical story doesn't suggest that we are merely being saved from "death". The Christian Biblical story clearly states that if we don't receive eternal life we will receive everlasting punishment. In Jesus' own words, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." So your wrong when you claim that what we are merely being saved from "death". Better go to Bible school and learn about your religion before you try to explain it to other people.  |
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Cowboy wrote: God isn't appeased by blood, guts, and gore. God is pleased by the showing of love by giving something up that is important. It is the fact of making a SACRIFICE on your own to yourself to show your sincerity. It's not about the blood, guts, and gore. It's about giving up something that is/was important. The story is about blood, guts and gore whether you confess it or not. I personally don't believe that an all-wise God would need to stoop to such ignorant disgusting things to teach a concept of LOVE. So I see no reason to believe that these stories can be anything more than the sick demented superstitions of men. Saved from death. Death is put on us as a punishment from what we "the human race" did in the past to God. Jesus offers forgiveness of our trespasses and offers eternal life through his blood. I have no desire to be saved from death. In fact, if God is as the Biblical doctrine describes him to be, I would choose death over being "saved". That would be my choice. I would even offer this choice politely to the biblical God face to face and have no hard feelings toward him. If he harbored hard feelings toward me for not accepting his "gift" of eternal life that would be his egotistical frailty and pride. And besides, the Christian Biblical story doesn't suggest that we are merely being saved from "death". The Christian Biblical story clearly states that if we don't receive eternal life we will receive everlasting punishment. In Jesus' own words, "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." So your wrong when you claim that what we are merely being saved from "death". Better go to Bible school and learn about your religion before you try to explain it to other people. The story is about blood, guts and gore whether you confess it or not. I personally don't believe that an all-wise God would need to stoop to such ignorant disgusting things to teach a concept of LOVE. So I see no reason to believe that these stories can be anything more than the sick demented superstitions of men. It is all purely about love. Is it love for one to give their life for another? Of course it is, people from the military are honored all the time and many individual people are honored in memory for giving their life up to save another all the time as well. Is it love to give the last piece of bread to another even though you are starving? Is it love to give the last drink of water to another even though you are dehydrated? That is definitely a sign of love. Same goes with sacrificing animals to God. Food, especially meat wasn't as abundant then as it is now. It was a sacrifice to give their best bull to God. Jesus felt the pain of death for you, he didn't "have" to. He could have lived his life how ever he wished to live it. But he sacrificed his life for you giving us the new covenant between man and God. That is love right there, willing to give up everything and feel incredible pain so that another would not have to. |
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Cowboy wrote: It is all purely about love. Is it love for one to give their life for another? Of course it is, people from the military are honored all the time and many individual people are honored in memory for giving their life up to save another all the time as well. Is it love to give the last piece of bread to another even though you are starving? Is it love to give the last drink of water to another even though you are dehydrated? That is definitely a sign of love. Same goes with sacrificing animals to God. Food, especially meat wasn't as abundant then as it is now. It was a sacrifice to give their best bull to God. Jesus felt the pain of death for you, he didn't "have" to. He could have lived his life how ever he wished to live it. But he sacrificed his life for you giving us the new covenant between man and God. That is love right there, willing to give up everything and feel incredible pain so that another would not have to. I'm sorry Cowboy but I don't accept anything you have to say here. You're attempting to belittle God and reduce God to the helplessness of a mere mortal person. You say, It is all purely about love. Is it love for one to give their life for another? Of course it is, people from the military are honored all the time and many individual people are honored in memory for giving their life up to save another all the time as well. Humans go to war because they feel they have no other way to solve the problem. Let's hope they aren't going to war because it's their preferred method of solving a problem! With God all things are possible. So you can't have a God "sacrificing his son" to save mankind. That would imply that God was either too inept to figure out a better way to solve the problem, thus being less than "all-wise", or that he had no choice, which would imply that's he's not all-powerful and not all things are possible for him. So your lame analogy of comparing God with the desperate acts of humans who can't do any better only suggests that you believe that God is just as helpless and inept as mortal men. You can't have an all-powerful, all-wise God doing "desperate things" because he has no choice to do better. That would be an inept God who can't do any better than mere mortal men. So your analogy breaks down in a deeply serious way. I don't buy it. You're asking me to believe that God is just as helpless and powerless as mere mortal men. |
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MsHarmony wrote: my thoughts it is through Jesus we are saved That would only be true if you believe that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God of the Old Testament. A God who can only be appeased by blood sacrifices. I don't believe that the Old Testament contains sane enough stories to be the word of any God. I don't believe in "Sacrificial Lambs". I don't believe in a God who is appeased by blood and guts and gore. So see no reason to accept your assertion that it is through Jesus we are "saved". Saved from what? The wrath of God? As far as I'm concerned that's already an insane notion right there. saved from an eternal death,,,nothing insane at all in my opinion but that is why I qualified my statements as being my thoughts and my beliefs, and my opinions |
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