I was not speaking to the concept of the Einstein/Rosen bridge, sorry.

How do you know?

What I am suggesting has to do with your personal experience of the passing of time in relation to your thoughts.

Since no one has ever fallen into black hole, how would anyone know that?

What I am saying is that every system has its own spacetime. Your body is a system with its own spacetime.

They need to hurry up so I can live out my Dr Who dreams and really travel through time!

Because the stretching of time in accordance with Einstein's theory has already been proven. We use it every day. We have to go pretty deep into a black hole before the physics break down.

What ever the physics says... time is relative to the observer's thoughts and perceptions.

I have experienced something similar to time stalling.. where time appeared to stop in relation to my thoughts. The experience of the perception of time, bottom line, is in relation to the observer.

You just have to use your common sense to realize this.

stretching in relation to what??

Also, to even say "time" instead of spacetime is misleading. They are too much of the same intimate system to separate them.

It is hard to imagine what you are laughing at since you are having difficulty grasping any portion of time dilation of Einstein's as has been proven. The reason I said "time" in this case is because it is the atomic clocks that are adjusted to compensate for the GPS system. The warpage of space by gravity is not the issue. It is the stretching of time as speed approaches the speed of light (or in this case orbital speed).

Time dilation, I guess then, is not what I am talking about. I'm getting off the subject of the CERN experiments, sorry. I'm probably just thinking to myself here about something entirely different.

If they are actually talking about sending a message back in time, they should probably put together a crew intent on listening for a message from the future or they might miss it.

What they are doing is designing experiments to "catch" information about particles created during the big bang. Obviously, that would take a lot more energy than we can create (to create a big bang). So they make a very small bang and see what pops out.

The direct conversion of energy into mass, the subsequent conversion of the mass into one lump of pure energy, and watching matter and other weirdness condense out of the lump of energy is what CERN is all about. If all of time and space was created in the big bang, maybe we can create enough to glimpse.

We already know how to warp space and time with gravity. We should be able to warp it with energy also (if we knew how) but things get kind of flaky in the middle of an explosion. Using math to predict the results, then seeing the predicted results is the basic goal.

Too bad CERN will be working at half power for a couple of years.

--->However, if the theory proves correct, the researchers say the method could be used to send messages to the past or the future. "


The above is the part that might be hard to explain.

Is there anyone in the future or the past listening? How far into the future or the past do they think they can send a message? If they figure out how to do it, then have they made plans to be listening?

That is one of the problems with a collider. You don't know until you try, how much energy is going to be required to do/make something new. You could double the energy and just make more of whatever it was making before. You triple the energy and "bang", something new pops out.

Yes yes... its all just a shot in the dark. blah blah...

But the article in the O.P implies --- this coming from scientists-- that sending a "message" into the past or the future might be possible.. if if if...blah blah.

Now, I am not a scientist. But I have personal experience with "seeing" and/or receiving some "messages" from either the future or the past. (I'm not sure which.) I am not familiar with scientific methods and I certainly don't understand all the calculations.

But because of my personal experiences with this (two of them saved my life!) I am aware that there is a certain area (between the past and the future?) that causation is at work creating an event and that event can be seen and/or heard.

But because these things can't be "proven" they are scoffed at as paranormal bull crap.

I don't think it is. I think there is a scientific reason.

That is not saying that I think that actual people "exist" in the past or future, but that events probably happen a lot faster than we think they do and what we are experiencing is sort of an echo or recording of some kind. Our minds are just processing slowly or something.

science does not depend on who does the observing. it is based
on all observers having a common understanding of the science.

minds process at different speeds naturally of course and even
in differing ways but this does not affect the validity or correct
interpretation of science. merely the individuals capacity to
understand the world around them.

if a squirrel and Einstein experience a different view of the world
that does not mean there are two different worlds. just two differing
perceptions.

So what's your point? All you are saying is that science is based on more than one observer.. its an agreement.



So? What's your point? I am not disputing the validity or interpretation of science. It is what it is. I am trying to solve the mystery of how I could have seen the future.



So? What's your point? When did I suggest that there were two different worlds?

It doesn't seem like your response has anything to do with my post.

I don't think it is surprising that you you have seen the future.
Our minds are capable of fantastic extrapolation and detail and
such anticipation is a real part of seeing the future. Personally
I have been involved with projects which were postively influenced
by visualization of the outcome in advance. It is possible to
experience such an event or activity in intimate detail on purpose
in advance...and then re-experience it in the future. It is just
too cool.

This is often done is sports - in olympic swimming, diving and
skiing for example - but the same thing can be done with any activity
and the effect is striking and very real and this can happen intentionally or accidentally - consciously or unconsciously.

http://sportsmedicine.about.com/cs/sport_psych/a/aa091700a.htm

Yes, I use visualization techniques all the time. I'm a huge fan of the Law of Attraction etc. But visualization techniques is definitely not what I'm talking about.

What I saw was the event that was about to happen. I saw myself get hit by a truck as I was about to make a left turn. I saw it happen and I saw that I would not survive it. I saw it in the split second I was about to die. I intended to make the turn. I would have been killed if I had.

Time itself seemed to stop. I saw the accident about ten times in a split second as it flashed before my eyes. I remembered that I had looked in the mirror and no traffic was seen. I heard my thoughts tell me that it would not hurt to look over my shoulder. So at that point I changed my intentions and decided I would look over my shoulder.

I returned to normal time. I looked over my shoulder. As I did that, a truck went by going about 80. It had been in my blind spot.

That was a message either from the future or the past. If it was from the past, it could have been from an alternate universe where I was killed in the accident. If it was from the future, it was a vision of the event that was set to happen by causation.

Whatever it was, my life was saved.

But the message had to come from my own mind. Therefore, I suspect our own minds are processing a bit more than the present moment and that it can actually 'see' a little further into the event which might be interpreted as the future.

It also sheds new light on the power of intention.

When I changed my intent (to make the turn) I changed the event's outcome.(The future.)

I think this falls into subconscious visualization - that you may have
subconsciously perceived the truck threat based on inferences in your
field of vision, sounds, smells, traffic pattern and your subconscious
created the vision of the threat.

I think of a 'visualization' as something you consciously create on purpose. This was a 'vision' created, as you say by the subconscious mind. It was a vision of the inevitable outcome of the event in progress.

That is how I read the tarot cards. I read the outcome of the event momentum in progress.

These outcomes can be altered IF intent, attention or attitude is altered.

In my case, the outcome was altered when I changed my intent.

I think the threat is processed very quickly subconsciously and it
the realization of the danger and the imagery of the possible
catastrophe is experienced by the individual as a premonition.

Perhaps, but I would not call it a 'possible' catastrophe.

As long as my intent (to make the turn) was there, the catastrophe was more than just 'possible' it was immanent. I saw it as immanent.

Had I made that turn, I would not be talking to you right now. I'd be dead. No doubt in my mind.