You probably don't understand what I am saying or what I mean, or else you are joking. I'm going to go with joking because of all your laughing faces. (Of course your laughing faces could be meant as mocking me, but you would never do that would you?)

But if you are serious I will address that last comment.

History (true history) is important because the present moment is built upon the moment before. This is the foundation for causation.

Planing is important also because intent sets the event.

But the present is the only 'time' that you can actually act. It is your point of creation, your point of power. If you do not act now, then when? The future? When the 'future' becomes now that is when you will act. But by that time, it is no longer the future, it is the present.

You act in the present, no other time.

History is important because it documents the real existent past
and allows us to build upon that past.

Planning is important also because there exists a future to plan
for. That is what intent means. To have an intention to do something
assumes that there is a real existent future time in which an
event can happen.



Just because you act in the present does not mean that the
past and future don't exist. They exist. I have demonstrated it.
History books recount it. Planning is for it.

When one acts in the present it does not negate the past or future!

Man's documentation of events is hardly accurate. That is "popular history." When I speak of "history" I am speaking specifically of the true history or causation that is effecting the present, not of what people have written in books or recorded.



If you are talking about absolute determinism, and if the future already exists, then there is no reason to plan for it. Just get through it the best you can, because nothing you actually do will change anything. But that is not the way it is.

Intent sets the event. You create the future.

Events are the result of causation or true history. Future events are set in motion by intentions and actions taken in the present moment.



You can assume anything you like but that doesn't mean a future exists. Only the present moment exists and it is relative to the observers. Intent is what sets the event. Events are what mark 'time.'



You have not proven the future and the past exist in actuality. They are merely mental constructs. You can only think about them. You have not demonstrated that they actually exist. You can only live in the present, and act in the present. You can not go to the past or future or do anything at all there.



I did not say that acting in the present negates the past or the future. I said that you can only act in the present. The other two you can only think about.


The present is the "bird in the hand."
The past and future are the two birds in the bush in that they are inaccessible.

You said that the past and future do not exist.
This is absurd. You yourself are talking about
why we can't change the past. If the past did
not exist then there would be no reason to talk
as you do about the value of it. The past and
future are not imaginary.

But since the past does exist it makes sense for you
to talk about it.

Of course we can change the future. The course of
the future depends on choices we make now. In fact,
it is impossible for us not to change the future.



And we talk about the future because it exists and
what we do now influences it and we know that we
will all do many new things in the real existent
future. Except some people will just sit on their
hindquarters and waste their time. But that's their
future...



BTW, I am not assuming that there is a past and future.
I simply point to my earlier posts and say - See that?
That's part of the real existent past! Then I declare
my intention of doing something in the future and then
demonstrate how I can do something in the future.



You are the one who is assuming there is a past when
you talk about the value of history and demonstrate
your belief in the existence of the future when discussing
your intent for doing something the future....

Well I'm glad you find it all so amusing.

You simply don't understand what I mean by "exist."

You'll just have to figure it out for yourself.

I was just trying to explain it to you but you have made up your mind and you just want to stomp your feet and say no no no.

I still maintain the past and the future do not actually exist in the sense that the present exists, therefor time travel to the past or the future, as seen in movies, is simply not possible.

Time travel as depicted by H. G. Wells and "Back to the Future" may
not be possible but it is not because the past and future do not
exist.

yep, it is.

We could fill up 50 pages with:

Yep it is.

No it ain't.

Yep it is.

No it ain't.

Yep it is.

No it ain't.

Yep it is.

No it ain't.

But I guess we could just agree that we don't agree.

there is a way to see the past.... someone mentioned a supernova earlier, and that is one way to see the past. depending on the distance of a star or supernova, we are not seeing what is happening now, we are seeing what has already happened. if the object is 50 light years away, then we are seeing 50 years in the past when we look at it. same with objects that are billions of light years away, when we look at them, it is what happened billions of years ago, not what is happening at the present...

It may not be possible to travel "backwards" in time as in making time reverse itself. However, the spacetime bridge envisioned by Einstein and Rosen may be able to leave current spacetime and re-enter a past or future time which is a whole different ball of wax than going backwards.

so i have a question... lets say we were to open up a wormhole, and instantly travel to a system that is say 10,000 light years away... would the 10,000 years catch up to the current time, or would we be going back in time 10,000 years? in 10,000 years, the entire system would be in a different place, not to mention anything that has happened to it in the 10,000 years, like it blowing up or colliding with something else?

Can you explain to me how it is a whole different ball of wax? Wouldn't this simply be a different location in space or a different dimension?

It is due to the extra dimensions. It is like leaving a two
dimensional world such as a piece of paper, flying off the page,
and traveling in the air above the paper where no one living
in the 2D space could see you. Then if you come back to the
page (2D space) somewhere else it would appear to those confined
in the plane that you magically vanished and reappeared at a
different place and time. In actuality you left the 2D space and
traveled in the 3rd dimension before rejoining the plane.

Think of it as a tiddly-wink which is flipped off the page and
lands somewhere else.

Or watch Flatland:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8oiwnNlyE4



In our case we live in 4 dimensions but the principle is the same.

If something left a point (x,y,z,t) in 4 dimensional space going
into another dimension then arrives at a new coordinate (x',y',z',t')
- it appears that the object just transported
there but an observer who was able to see all the dimensions would
observe the object travel in a path which left the 4-surface.

Once you create the wormhole, you come out somewhere else in space and time. Distance could be anything and time could be either past or future ... hence the symmetry of the time equations which lead to the current proposed experiments at CERN and the math of Einstein and others.

so a wormhole is just a time travel "device"?

Spacetime ... the fabric of the universe.

Anytime a person or any other spacetime unit starts traveling around the universe and hopping through wormholes they are actually taking their own spacetime along with them. It does not matter if they go forward or backward in spacetime, thier own personal time is linier.

Which means, they are not going to run into themselves in the past or future. Time will be relative to the observer. Your past is always your past.

Now time according to a lawyer is quite a different concept. There are entire law books about time. With this age of world powers and world contracts, the time a person signs on the dotten line can make or break you, and there are many different time zones.

time doesn't exist...

No. That is not correct. You are misunderstanding the concept of an Einstein/Rosen bridge. Whatever enters the bridge moves in time and space as well as a little air and your clothing. You empty into the spacetime where the bridge is connected.

If what you said was correct, we would take our time and space into a black hole as we fell in. And that is not what happens.