Topic: A new time travel experiment
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Fri 04/01/11 09:36 AM

Where are all the scientific minds?sad


Sometime I have to work!happy

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Fri 04/01/11 10:25 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 04/01/11 10:26 AM


If you had strategically placed mirrors and microphones and the
right kind of imaging and sound equipment you could watch your
grandfather and grandmother on their first date but you could not
kill them.



Then the event is merely recorded. It does not still exist. It is like a holographic movie or recording.


Nonsense. You are watching it happen. Not a recording. You are
experiencing it as it happens. Just from a rather long distance
away.

laugh

When you look up at the Supernova where is the recording device?!

laugh


It apparently does not need a standard recording device. Regardless of how you think space/time works in regard to an event you are viewing, you are still viewing the event of a supernova in the present moment.

That is not because the past actually "exists." It is because everything you experience happens in the present moment.


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Fri 04/01/11 10:53 AM



If you had strategically placed mirrors and microphones and the
right kind of imaging and sound equipment you could watch your
grandfather and grandmother on their first date but you could not
kill them.



Then the event is merely recorded. It does not still exist. It is like a holographic movie or recording.


Nonsense. You are watching it happen. Not a recording. You are
experiencing it as it happens. Just from a rather long distance
away.

laugh

When you look up at the Supernova where is the recording device?!

laugh


It apparently does not need a standard recording device. Regardless of how you think space/time works in regard to an event you are viewing, you are still viewing the event of a supernova in the present moment.

That is not because the past actually "exists." It is because everything you experience happens in the present moment.




Last time I checked the past existed. Just a sec I will check again...

Yep! Still there!

laugh

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Fri 04/01/11 11:24 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 04/01/11 12:13 PM
s1owhand,

Here is the fact. You can't DO anything IN THE PAST.
You can't DO ANYTHING in the future.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

If you can prove otherwise I want to see your proof.

Also, if the past or future does not actually exist, then the present moment is all that can exist. That means that the only "time" we have is the present moment.

That present moment in time is measured by a single planck. My theory is that the length of a planck depends upon the frequency of origin.




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Fri 04/01/11 12:09 PM


Where are all the scientific minds?sad


Sometime I have to work!happy


metalwing,

I am not very familiar with M theory. What would be the best book for an average person to read (something easy) to explain it to me?

Also, it appears that you sort of have your mind set on M theory, and I would like to know what it is about Trevor Pitts's paper on Dark matter, antimatter and time symmetry that you strongly disagree with and why?

It sort of made a lot of sense to me. Opened my eyes a little actually.


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Fri 04/01/11 12:53 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Fri 04/01/11 12:54 PM

s1owhand,

Here is the fact. You can't DO anything IN THE PAST.
You can't DO ANYTHING in the future.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

If you can prove otherwise I want to see your proof.

Also, if the past or future does not actually exist, then the present moment is all that can exist. That means that the only "time" we have is the present moment.

That present moment in time is measured by a single planck. My theory is that the length of a planck depends upon the frequency of origin.






I have seen the past, experienced the past and in the past
I planned things for the future and I did them in the future.
And that is not entirely all in the past.

I'll believe you when you prove that the past and future don't
exist. Until then I will be smug in my knowledge that the past
and future do in fact exist.

laugh

But I won't let that interfere with my enjoyment of the present!!

laugh

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Fri 04/01/11 01:19 PM

s1owhand,

Here is the fact. You can't DO anything IN THE PAST.
You can't DO ANYTHING in the future.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

If you can prove otherwise I want to see your proof.

Also, if the past or future does not actually exist, then the present moment is all that can exist. That means that the only "time" we have is the present moment.

That present moment in time is measured by a single planck. My theory is that the length of a planck depends upon the frequency of origin.





time doesn't exist either.... it is just a perception...

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Fri 04/01/11 01:26 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 04/01/11 01:35 PM


s1owhand,

Here is the fact. You can't DO anything IN THE PAST.
You can't DO ANYTHING in the future.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

If you can prove otherwise I want to see your proof.

Also, if the past or future does not actually exist, then the present moment is all that can exist. That means that the only "time" we have is the present moment.

That present moment in time is measured by a single planck. My theory is that the length of a planck depends upon the frequency of origin.

All experiences exist in the present. All events happen in the present. All things exist in the present. The present is all that exists.

You cannot prove otherwise.






I have seen the past, experienced the past and in the past
I planned things for the future and I did them in the future.
And that is not entirely all in the past.

I'll believe you when you prove that the past and future don't
exist. Until then I will be smug in my knowledge that the past
and future do in fact exist.

laugh

But I won't let that interfere with my enjoyment of the present!!

laugh


You have not done anything "in the future."
You can't do anything in the future. The future is just a dream or a plan. The past is a memory or a recording or a picture.

You cannot see the past unless you are looking at it while in the present.

My proof that the past and the future does not exist has already been presented. That is, you can't do anything or experience anything accept in the present.

P.S.

to say "and I did them in the future." is a contradiction.

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Fri 04/01/11 01:33 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 04/01/11 01:34 PM
If actual time travel were possible, other than just 'seeing' into the past or the future, there would be paradox's like the grandfather paradox already happening. There would also be time travelers popping in and out of this reality changing things and this reality would have no integrity at all. No one would be safe. People could vanish before your eyes as the flow of events changed, and one little event or thing could prevented your mother from meeting your father.




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Fri 04/01/11 02:45 PM
I have never said that the past "never happened" I merely state that it does not now exist.

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Fri 04/01/11 03:19 PM



Where are all the scientific minds?sad


Sometime I have to work!happy


metalwing,

I am not very familiar with M theory. What would be the best book for an average person to read (something easy) to explain it to me?

Also, it appears that you sort of have your mind set on M theory, and I would like to know what it is about Trevor Pitts's paper on Dark matter, antimatter and time symmetry that you strongly disagree with and why?

It sort of made a lot of sense to me. Opened my eyes a little actually.




Ed Witten is the place to start which is why I posted the little blurb from Wilki earlier.

My mind set on M theory? No, I have followed the progression of physics from the 70's on. I watched string theory blossom and then fade as the five theories couldn't agree. I have watched the Standard Model ebb and flow the same way (it is kinda at a dead end). M theory just happens to be the current direction most theoretical physicists are going. M-theory doesn't necessary conflict with much of the Standard Model it just explains a lot more and has the opportunity to put all the pieces together.

Duality, Spacetime and Quantum Mechanics
Edward Witten, Institute for Advanced Study (Princeton)

In the last few years, physicists have learned that the different string theories discovered and studied in different ways are limiting cases of a single, more powerful theory, known as M theory. "M" stands for magic, mystery, or matrix, according to taste. Some of these developments will be explained in this lecture.

Edward Witten, professor of physics at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton, N.J., is arguably the premier theoretical physicist of our time. Renowned for his many contributions to particle physics and string theory, Witten has almost single-handedly constructed a new branch of mathematical physics For his achievements, he has been awarded mathematics' highest prize, the 1990 Fields Medal. A member of the National Academy of Sciences, he is a recipient of a MacArthur Prize, the Dirac Medal, and many other honors.
read more at http://online.itp.ucsb.edu/plecture/witten/

Although Ed Witten is one of the greatest mathematicians in the world, he is a little hard to follow. The best books about M-theory are going to be math books, which don't do the general population much good. The best book (New York Times Bestseller) that puts the basic concepts into plain English are probably Brian Green/ The Elegant Universe and Parallel World by Michio Kaku. Michio Kaku is seen almost every day on some channel discussing the Japan Reactor problem. Some of his books are....

Hyperspace

Hyperspace is about the four forces of the universe and higher dimensions.

Parallel Worlds

Parallel Worlds talks about the possibilities of the existence of parallel worlds. Kaku also talks about black holes and other frequently asked matters of advanced physics.
[edit] Beyond Einstein

Beyond Einstein is a resource for people wanting to know more about physics. Kaku mostly talks about Einstein and his quest for the Theory of Everything.

Brian Green (

Greene is well known to a wider audience for his work on popularizing theoretical physics, in particular string theory and the search for a unified theory of physics. His first book, The Elegant Universe: Superstrings, Hidden Dimensions, and the Quest for the Ultimate Theory, published in 1999, is a popularization of superstring theory and M-theory. It was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in nonfiction, and winner of The Aventis Prizes for Science Books in 2000.[6] The Elegant Universe was later made into a PBS television special of the same name, hosted and narrated by Greene, which won a 2003 Peabody Award. (M theory starts on page 287)

Greene's second book, The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space. Time. And the Texture of Reality (2004), is about space, time, and the nature of the universe. Aspects covered in this book include non-local particle entanglement as it relates to special relativity and basic explanations of string theory. It is an examination of the very nature of matter and reality, covering such topics as spacetime and cosmology, origins and unification, and including an exploration into reality and the imagination.

Greene's third book, The Hidden Reality: Parallel Universes and the Deep Laws of the Cosmos published Jan 25th 2011 deals in greater depth with multiple universes, or, as it is sometimes referred to collectively, the multiverse.
)

I have heard Lisa Randall's book is very good too, and I think I may have a copy somewhere. She is based at Harvard and is designing some of the CERN experiments to find proofs to M-theory. She has her own theory that adds giant dimensions to our universe... an interesting concept.

I don't think of any of the above four physicists use the phrase "You must suspend your belief to grasp the following concept ...", as the posted paper does, but they all have their on spin on things.:smile:

Just as a side note about the paper I posted, the six axises universes were somewhat of an inside joke. The X,Y, and Z axis are a concept of mankind's math modeling system, the Cartesian Coordinate System. If he had used a Polar Coordinate System, a different result would be given.

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Fri 04/01/11 04:02 PM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Fri 04/01/11 04:02 PM
Thanks. I thought the six universes were how he explained the 5/6 of the universal mass (dark matter) that we know is there but can't see.

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Fri 04/01/11 05:55 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Fri 04/01/11 05:56 PM

Thanks. I thought the six universes were how he explained the 5/6 of the universal mass (dark matter) that we know is there but can't see.



correction, they do not know it is there, it is just a theory... just a way of explaining something that they know not much about.. if the math adds up, it must be true?

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Fri 04/01/11 06:22 PM
Edited by s1owhand on Fri 04/01/11 06:24 PM



s1owhand,

Here is the fact. You can't DO anything IN THE PAST.
You can't DO ANYTHING in the future.

BECAUSE THEY DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST.

If you can prove otherwise I want to see your proof.

Also, if the past or future does not actually exist, then the present moment is all that can exist. That means that the only "time" we have is the present moment.

That present moment in time is measured by a single planck. My theory is that the length of a planck depends upon the frequency of origin.

All experiences exist in the present. All events happen in the present. All things exist in the present. The present is all that exists.

You cannot prove otherwise.






I have seen the past, experienced the past and in the past
I planned things for the future and I did them in the future.
And that is not entirely all in the past.

I'll believe you when you prove that the past and future don't
exist. Until then I will be smug in my knowledge that the past
and future do in fact exist.

laugh

But I won't let that interfere with my enjoyment of the present!!

laugh


You have not done anything "in the future."
You can't do anything in the future. The future is just a dream or a plan. The past is a memory or a recording or a picture.

You cannot see the past unless you are looking at it while in the present.

My proof that the past and the future does not exist has already been presented. That is, you can't do anything or experience anything accept in the present.

P.S.

to say "and I did them in the future." is a contradiction.



laugh

Let's see...I had those red beans and rice yesterday...
and I planned to have (in the future at the time) some of that nice
Malbec today and I just did that.

laugh

I could prove it. There were witnesses.

laugh

Now about the future. In ten minutes, I'm going to post again to this thread. You can look at the handy mingle time stamp to verify!!

laugh laugh laugh

That was easy.

drinker

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Fri 04/01/11 06:28 PM
Wait for it.......

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Fri 04/01/11 06:36 PM
Ok well i was busy!!

laugh

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Fri 04/01/11 07:07 PM
s1owhand,

Everything you actually do is done in the present moment.

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Sat 04/02/11 04:05 AM
Sorry but you are still wrong. I planned to do my post in the future
and I did it in the future. Yesterday I drank Malbec. Your assertion that the past and future do not exist has no proof and no merit.
Things happen in the present, they have occurred in the past and
new events will occur in the future.

Both the past and the future exist. There is measurable and
quantifiable evidence that they exist. And I have demonstrated
they exist so you can take it as proof by demonstration.
To ignore the above proof and other evidence is just silly.

If the past and the future did not exist then there would be no
value to history or planning which is ludicrous.

laugh


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Sat 04/02/11 10:24 AM
JB wrote



But the whole MEST system is single unit. (MEST =Matter, energy, space time) I agree that system exists. If you remove any single property from that system, the entire system will collapse.




Not in M theory. The properties of space and matter may depend upon the branes. Anything outside the branes may have completely different properties. Matter may not even be able to exist. Space may be a different property, as may time. The theory covers much more than what you see.

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Mon 04/04/11 07:01 AM

JB wrote



But the whole MEST system is single unit. (MEST =Matter, energy, space time) I agree that system exists. If you remove any single property from that system, the entire system will collapse.




Not in M theory. The properties of space and matter may depend upon the branes. Anything outside the branes may have completely different properties. Matter may not even be able to exist. Space may be a different property, as may time. The theory covers much more than what you see.


Well I am not talking about M theory. I'm talking about this particular MEST matrix environment. Also I'm not talking about the properties of space and matter, I'm talking about the properties of the MEST matrix and their relationship to each other.