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Topic: FL GOP Rep. Says 11-Year-Old Was Gang Raped ‘Because She W
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Sat 03/19/11 05:16 AM
"They said she dressed older than her age, wearing makeup and fashions more appropriate to a woman in her 20s." This is the quote from story on how the 11 year old dressed. How do you strech these words in to prostitute.

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Sat 03/19/11 11:21 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 03/19/11 11:22 AM
dont know about the prostitute thing


appearance and behavior DO set the tone in how people perceive us though

I dont know what she looked like or how she acted but, IF THERE WAS NO FORCE USED, they may have contributed to sending a false signal to those other minors involved (those under 18). And if it is possible for an 11 year old to look 20, than that could also be a relevant factor in how those over 18 might have felt it ok to have what they 'thought' was consentual sex with her.


and then it could have just been a group of boys and men who all decided to force themself upon an inexperienced and terrified child

I wasnt there and the details dont say,

But, in the end, probably months from now, I am sure we will hear much more to the story than just the sensational stuff...

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Sat 03/19/11 06:24 PM



[the real problem is] the adult who thinks it's okay to rape people.


I don't think any real adult thinks it's okay to rape people, at any age, sex, IQ or religious conviction.

But they do.


That's the point.

How children dress is irrelevant because a "real adult" is supposed to know that it's wrong to sexually molest people regardless of how they act or dress.

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Sat 03/19/11 06:38 PM
how children dress is irrelevant to whether ANYONE forces themself upon them

how children dress is not irrelevant , when combined with how they act, to whether others engage in sexual behavior with them that SEEMS to be consentual

I dont understand why the speaker in the OP chose this story to attach the issue of SCHOOL dress to because I also dont feel its relevant by itself

but I do feel its relevant in a discussion about what parents allow their children to do and how they allow them to REPRESENT themself to others(when they are indeed allowing it )

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Sat 03/19/11 07:42 PM

dont know about the prostitute thing


appearance and behavior DO set the tone in how people perceive us though

I dont know what she looked like or how she acted but, IF THERE WAS NO FORCE USED, they may have contributed to sending a false signal to those other minors involved (those under 18). And if it is possible for an 11 year old to look 20, than that could also be a relevant factor in how those over 18 might have felt it ok to have what they 'thought' was consentual sex with her.


and then it could have just been a group of boys and men who all decided to force themself upon an inexperienced and terrified child

I wasnt there and the details dont say,

But, in the end, probably months from now, I am sure we will hear much more to the story than just the sensational stuff...



A woman or man for that mattere can walk down the street butt as s naked and have the assurance that no one has a right to rape her.

quit making the victim responsible for what is a crime against her.

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Sat 03/19/11 07:49 PM
Edited by Dragoness on Sat 03/19/11 07:51 PM




[the real problem is] the adult who thinks it's okay to rape people.


I don't think any real adult thinks it's okay to rape people, at any age, sex, IQ or religious conviction.

But they do.


That's the point.

How children dress is irrelevant because a "real adult" is supposed to know that it's wrong to sexually molest people regardless of how they act or dress.


In a misogynistic society like the past here in this country a woman was held responsible for a mans animalistic behavior but that is not the right way for things to be. A man who gets a hardon and proceeds to do sexual things with any person is fully and utterly responsible for the actions of him and his penis.

Who he chooses to have this sexual action with is not responsible for his actions. Neither are they responsible for the birth control in this event the man is.

That is a normal sexual act.

Now a man who chooses to molest or rape any other person is also fully responsible for himself and his actions and the object or objects that he has targeted for this crime are at no fault for his actions.

Men or women should know that if they walk outside naked that they will not be accosted and raped because they have no clothing on which is their right to do. If it is illegal for them to be naked then they will have to deal with the authorities but they should not be molested and raped because they are naked.


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Sat 03/19/11 09:32 PM


dont know about the prostitute thing


appearance and behavior DO set the tone in how people perceive us though

I dont know what she looked like or how she acted but, IF THERE WAS NO FORCE USED, they may have contributed to sending a false signal to those other minors involved (those under 18). And if it is possible for an 11 year old to look 20, than that could also be a relevant factor in how those over 18 might have felt it ok to have what they 'thought' was consentual sex with her.


and then it could have just been a group of boys and men who all decided to force themself upon an inexperienced and terrified child

I wasnt there and the details dont say,

But, in the end, probably months from now, I am sure we will hear much more to the story than just the sensational stuff...



A woman or man for that mattere can walk down the street butt as s naked and have the assurance that no one has a right to rape her.

quit making the victim responsible for what is a crime against her.



having the right and having sense and awareness are two different things


but yes, someone could walk down an alley butt naked and noone would have a right to FORCE THEMSELF upon her

however, if she walked down an alley naked and came up to a stranger and started to kiss him, and it lead to sex, but she happened to be younger than she looked, our laws would still call it RAPE

I think that is the ONLY alternate view that has been expressed here

I havent seen anyone saying rape is ok , just challenging what legally is considered RAPE and which details should be considered

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