No kidding.

and one sided/sighted

Then why are you outraged by the age if the age doesnt matter? ANd do courts not have separate punishments for raping minors? Apparently one can't question the motives of a criminal on this site without being attacked. Just like my co worker wouldn't have wanted to hit on my friends sister if he knew she was 12 not 18 maybe the rapists would have been the same. It's sad you can't ask this question and seek others opinions. No they just think for some reason you think rape is ok even if you continually post that you don't think that.

You continually make it worse and worse.

Raping is not courting.

So a rapist is not being considerate if a girl is older or looks older. A rapist is not more excused if the girl is 12 instead of 11.

It is your fault you keep putting your foot in your mouth not mine.

Wow can you read? No where did I say courting. I asked if courts had stricter punishments. You know courts of law. Those things with lawyers and judges and jury people. Should I post a wiki link so you can read up on what coruts are?

I need to read? LOL

You stuck your foot in it and made yourself look really bad by insinuating the rapists didn't know she was eleven as if that makes a difference in an act of rape. And associated it with men in bars who are being irresponsible or men who are asking/courting after a 12 year old in your presence.

You did to yourself man

No ididn't insinuate anything. I merely said it was a good question regarding their motives. Sorry If you can't understand that when you are in wondering how someone could do something some of us wonder why and what motivates them.

New school uniforms have been proposed:

there are many unanswered questions in the case, the suspects range from 14-27, the girl was 'raped' at two seperate residences with no weapons involved and fleed the 'suspects' house with the suspects(through a window) when the owner came home, and took FIVE days to tell someone(after cell phone video was out)


the older ones should know better, the teens, IM not so sure about,,,,unless they all indeed FORCED her than they should all know better

I kind of understand. Because there is a thing called 'statuatory rape' which is ONLY rape because of the victims age and not because it was not consented to by the victim. When age is the REASON for the action to be a crime, I do think what the suspect BELIEVED should be called into question. I have also seen some very GROWN looking young ladies. Unless we want people to not only insist on health backgrounds before engaging in all this casual sex but to start feeling like they must REQUIRE a state issued id proving age.....

If I understand this correctly, this case was used of as an example of why a dress code needed to be enforced in school. It does not sound like this happened in school, which makes it a dumb example. And as far as parental supervision goes, I agree, but kids are "inventive".

As far as the rape goes - no brainer - RAPE IS WRONG - 11 or 111 doesn't matter. Force is force.

Statuatory rape was designed to protect the young and innocent who might not know any better from more mature predators.

but

'mature' has never been adequately defined in legal standards,, in my opinion

and many of those 'young' aint so 'innocent' in this culture
they get to be adults when they want to because society says its 'their life'

but when those choices cause major consequences in their life, society rushes to the 'they are just children' defense

those mixed messages cant be good

Agreed. This is why we need to pay close attention to laws and the enforcers. Age has changed. But, we have to do something to protect them from pedophiles and dangers that they don't realize due to lack of experience.

Young people get a lot of information from TV and rumor - it's frequently wrong. The law is meant to protect them, but as with all laws it is frequently abused. Personally, I know there's a problem, but don't know the answer. But this isn't really the topic anymore.

I think the real point is that she doesn't see why you are raising questions that work to lessen the crime. Somebody got raped by other people and she was 11.

Any other details are peripheral, so to look past the main point of the story to find a reason why the rapists aren't so bad is a little weird. Especially when you're only hearing about the story through another person.

Picking up a girl at a bar and finding out she lied to you is different from gang rape. Granted, I haven't heard the story either, but I doubt she was showing a fake ID in attempt to prove to the rapists that she was really 21 while they were molesting her. It's one thing to have desires without knowing the real situation, it's another to decide that your desires are more important than the situation.

Sorry if she can't understand that some people seek a further understanding. Einstein said everything is relative.

Now I don't think she or her parents are to blame for anything, but if the rapist admitted that they targeted her because of what she was wearing wouldn't you as a parent want to know this? Wouldn't you change your child's clothes to try to avoid this in the future?

It's like walking through a bad neighborhood and getting robbed. It's not your fault you got robbed but if you would have walked a different way maybe they wouldn't have robbed you. Don't people that live near gang territories avoid wearing gang colors?

If I was a parent I would want to know why they chose her so I could better protect my own child. At 11 years old its up to the parents to limit what their child wears. You have to buy their clothes so you are responsible.

Honestly though, we're talking about somebody who has just physically forced their self upon somebody. Do you really believe somebody who does something like that when they say that they wouldn't have made the decision to go through all the steps of molesting somebody had their victim been wearing something else? Like they just lost control of their self and if the same person had worn slightly different attire, they wouldn't have decided to rape them. If you honestly believe that, I have a REALLY nice bridge you can buy.

You're literally hearing a story about two people, someone dressing misleadingly and someone WHO RAPES PEOPLE, and looking to the person with the dress code issue as if THEY'RE the one who should have approached the situation differently. Here's a different idea, let's focus less on people dressing the way they want and more on the people who try to justify physically terrorizing people.

I don't care how old you are or how you're dressed rape is just that RAPE!

Yes rape is bad and people will do it. If you can understand a rapists motivations for choosing a target then you can take steps to protect your loved ones. Is that a hard concept to understand? No I am not saying they wouldn't have raped someone but I am saying there is a possibility they would have chosen someone else assuming the victim was a stranger and there was no personal connection. For example serial rapists have a pattern. They usually rape people that have similar characteristics in some way. Criminologists study the victims and try to find some connection so they can more easily capture the person and protect the public.

My point was not to assume the rapists motivations or if the way the girl dressed or presented her self mattered to them. I was saying it would be a good question to ask. If the answer is no then its no. No harm. If the answer is yes then families may consider being stricter with their young daughters clothing. I don't see the harm in wanting to know the answer or wanting to ask the question yet people get so angry for no reason.

as a past victim of RAPE, I understand EXACTLY what you are saying and find it perfectly reasonable,,,but people ,understandably, hear the word 'child' and nothing else matters in the whole conversation sometimes


its not a conversation many agree with or want to talk about but how we PRESENT ourselves (our clothes and our demeanor) have a GREAT deal to do with how people will perceive us

a girl could wear a school uniform everyday but if she was constantly rubbing up against males and being suggestive, they may get the IMPRESSION she was mainly interested in sex

likewise, A girl could wear a mini but be reading a book everytime you see her and be unapproachable and I doubt the same impression would be made

a combination of our APPEARANCE and our BEHAVIOR contributes to others impression like david chappelle said,,you wouldnt expect a man dressed like a police officer to get upset if you walked up to him and asked him for help catching an assailant

all you can do is go by the IMPRESSION people give you until you approach them to find out more,, and if there follow up behavior is one of agreement and participation and you have no IDEA they are legally under aged,, I cant consider that the same situation as one where one person FORCES themself on another, although the law considers them both RAPE if the person in the former situation is under a certain legally determined age

After reading this thread, I seriously think that some of you actually believe that bad things happen without a reason or cause.

Seriously, is this just a little forum thread trial of the Righteous vs. the Unworthy?

Get over yourselves.