Nope not at all because at the end of the day i'll still be a college drop out that brings home more than the majority of people I've met with Associates degree's. Where the news come's up with these numbers about people with high school diplomas versus people with college degree's is beyond me.

Well sure some men are...its like all of a sudden they have to up the conversation to something more sophisticated....but smart girls just want to have fun too

Hey firefly...have you ever seen the look on a mans face change when he asks what you do and you say...."I'm working on a PhD" in whatever...its kinda sad for both ...cause that usually marks the end in my experience

My mom has an associates in nursing & makes more money than I will when I graduate after 10 yrs in college...who's the smart one now? LOL

Lili...the look on everyone's face when I tell them genetics is always priceless...I forget how much I feared my first genetics course too!

It was biology's weed out course (besides O chem)! I am more fascinated by the subjects that are the most difficult for me for some reason. Failed O chem my first round (personal life was in shambles & perhaps should not have taken anything difficult that year, but I couldn't live with quitting). By the time I graduated with my bachelors I was in an advanced organic grad level course!

Immunology has been a tough one too (D in my first course which was also grad level as an UG during same time as O chem). So I have had 3 basic immunology courses, now auditing immunogenetics, study the immune response to ticks in cattle, and have a world renowned immunologist on my committee (a scary old irishman that is not easy to impress )

I really can't stand it when I can't figure things out-LOL

well you'll be in good company because I think that's where a sizable percent of this thread is headed


please don't tell me that in this day and age that men still feel they have to control us to the point that the only thing they worry about with an educated woman is that she will 1. learn that she doesn't have to be controlled and 2. he can't control her

perhaps a man might be proud of his educated wife and consider cracking the books himself

educated woman aren't necessarily more arrogant than anyone else - but we definitely call BS on this "arrogant" attitude that some men have about us

hey sugar lips those numbers come from the BLS and are usually based on national statistics

so if what you see doesn't parallel exactly what is reported, it may be an anomaly related to your local geographic region

Oh that brings back anxiety...the first test I ever failed CALCULUS devastated

The first engineering test I failed...professor told me engineering wasn't for girls...oh that had steam coming outa my ears...I was in his office everyday asking questions...100% next test ha that'll teach him

the most recent test I failed Behavioral Neuroscience Final...no amount of BS could have saved me on that one....extra dirty vodka martini...ahh that's better...

One thing I know about educated women is that they don't have to put up with controlling men and game players. Those type of men are intimidated by and educated woman. To me, it does not matter. I t is not the education that matter, but rather matters are matters of the heart.

I think a lot of time, men need to listen to what women have to say, educated or not. I am cool with an educated woman.

You could have completely finished off that old geezer prof of yours by inventing the ear-steam engine.

... if it hadn't already been invented.

I invent lots of things. But unfortunately anything I invent has been invented.

a lot of times an education simply means that she had more opportunity - maybe didn't have to go to work right away out of high school

it doesn't mean that a person is smarter - just educated - so they might have more information but intelligence is something else

for a man or a woman it means that they did have the persistence to get it done - I think that's what might be intimidating not that she went to college BUT that she had the balls to stick t o it and succeed in something he hasn't done


doesn't mean he can't

hahah, you sir are hilarious.

you have good points there, but I didn't put up with game players & bs even before college so the education had little to do with that factor & more to do with my natural personality. I am very much happy all by myself and can call bs & cut ties with dramatic people without feeling to much heartache about it. It's more of a relief to me to not have those type of people in my life & players don't wanna play with girls they can't outsmart or hurt!

Also, I didn't have more opportunity...I had to create my opportunities and worked full-time while in college (at times when everyone thought I should quit)! My stubborn pride & determination would not allow the crappy people in my life to win. I wouldn't submit to "bad **** happened in your life & you just couldn't do it"!
HELL NO & soon they (ex in laws) can call me "Dr. little b!tch", the one you couldn't ruin with your emotional poisons!!!

I feel the same about intelligence not being defined by education and know many men "less-educated" men that can hold more interesting conversations than the over-educated idiots I meet.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t04.htm

Here's the BLS stats......HHMM still not seeing how a degree does all that much for you. You tell me? $9,000 more a year after you have spent 4 years at a university costing on average (depending if you went to private or public) $22,000 covering tuition, room and board, fee's all that good stuff. So you come out $88,000 in debt at 5.25% (roughly). So if you pay $1,500.00 a month it will take you 5 years 8 months and tack on another almost $14,000 so now you have in total spent $102,000. So $9,000 / $102,000 = 11 years 4 months to finally be at the same starting point financially the high school graduate started at the age of 18. 18 y/o + 4 years in college + 11 years = 33 y/o.

I finished my Bachelor's Degree when I was 19 and was already working even before that, so that statistical data is not at all applicable to everyone. Relying on statistics, most especially just one, is a tricky thing. Some statistics are not even valid because they are based on assumptions and estimations, not actual figures. But to label most of them as false is an overstatement.

Just sharing my two cents. :)

Richie, I won't argue with this, because what you say is true.

Please consider two things, though: After 33 years of age, you have roughly 30 more years to make money by working, and that thirty years is 3/4 of your earning time in life. if the difference is 1,500 in earning power, on the average per month, then that 1,500 per month extra does add up if it goes on uninterrupted for 30 years.

That's A. B. is that some people study not only to make more money, or to make any money, but because they enjoy knowledge, gaining knowledge. Some people go on creating new knowledge and they enjoy that. It's fine that for eleven years they are losers, because they enjoy those eleven years, and thirty years as well that comes after that. Money is good, I won't deny that; money is great, it is power, it is sexy. But for a few people so is knowledge and creation.

Furthermore, for still fewer people, the gaining and creation of knowledge is essential for a base-line happiness. They suffer and wilt in mundane. Their excitement does not come from money, or from luxury trips, or from zip-lining or clusterefffing in Malaysia; their excitement comes from being able to write a nice poem, or from discovering some obscure fact that creates havoc in legal theory, or such like. These people may or may not be rich, and those who are not rich, are not just saying they are happy despite being poor (these are very-very few in numbers, but they do exist), but they indeed revel in making an ear-steam engine, even if the invention never gets popular use or even a patent.

I agree with you, though, still, Richie. Most people are satisfied with making enough money. For those whose ideals for life consists of hard work, raising a family, giving the god and country their just share of the guy's earning, then by all means. Whatever tickles your fancy. And to be honest, most people live a life like your ideal, and those people are the happiest they can be in that role.

The only difference is that people are different. I agree, your choosing working over education was a smart choice. I agree with Einstein's choosing education over playing the violin was a smart choice, or basketball. (Einstein tried out for the Niegenstreudeldorf's local talent search, and -- thankfully -- did not make the team.)

And I certainly agree with your math, too, as long as you can see that after 33 the picture of earning power changes very drastically.

I hope you realize, Red Lace, that you are the exception, and the extreme exception. It is commendable and great that you did that, I admire you for it, but your case is not a valid argument to defeat Richie's, as your case is so rare that by being an extreme exception it does not make a difference in the math and in its inferences Richie has presented.

women are women.... they are all smart and stupid at the same time, so it doesn't matter to me... but it is hard to find one that is smarter than me tho...

Hi, Wux! Yes, I was and am aware of that; and I was not trying to defeat his reply, rather, I was merely trying to present that one statistic cannot be considered as a form of solid evidence or an absolute, precisely by using such an unusual example. Still, your point is taken. :)

Just wanted to say. This is a really interesting discussion. Obviously, there are some very accomplished women here. I think it's very hot. (I also had a checkered academic experience). IQ does not = education does not = earning power does not = social smarts. They all interact, but in what proportion? Maybe more interesting questions would be: Would you rather be with a woman with a Mater's degree, but no language skills? Really high street skills, or a Phd in English Lit? A less-educated nurturer type, or a little-miss-smarty-pants?

If you're ok with not having a degree and being looked over because of that by some employers, then by all means, don't go to college. Sure, many people do get decent jobs without college, but there are also many employers who aren't going to look at those who haven't completed their degree.

lil miss smarty pants