Cowboy wrote:

I do not know his judgment on anyone but I do know his judgment will be a righteous judgment.

Then no righteous person has anything to fear from God, no matter what religious faith they might belong to or believe in. Even a righteous atheist would be in great shape.

Cowboy wrote:

Is it righteous to give thanks to bob when Joe is the one whom did the favor? Is it righteous to worship Jose as being the father when Jack is the father of all?

We make judgments about people we see and meet, but is that the same as judging them?

You worship a name? That would be idol worship.

Most spiritual people I know acknowledge and worship the creator of this universe and life. I know that's who I acknowledge and worship in my own way. No name required.

So the only way that I could not be worshiping your God is if your God is [b}NOT the creator of life and the universe.

So is that's what you're saying?

Cowboy wrote:

No, the names were merely an example of what I was explaining. How can it be righteous to our creator when one is giving thanks to a story and or fairytails? If one is going to worship the creator of everything, they would indeed have to worship that which creator everything. So you're theory of "God would never allow a righteous person to die" breaks down when we get in depth what is righteous and what isn't.

No, you're wrong.

You are worshiping STORIES my friend!

The other people you're taking with are trying to explain to you that they worship God instead!

I don't worship any stories. It's impossible for me to be worshiping a "false" god.

I don't worship Buddhism as any kind of "Verbatim Laws". I recognized that Buddhism is a man-made spiritual philosophy.

I fully understand precisely what it is.

I do not worship Buddhism nor to I worship the Buddha as "god".

What I attempt to do is understand and commune with the source of all life in the best way I can. Therefore I cannot be worshiping any 'false Gods'.

In fact, I don't 'worship' any God's in the way that you do. For you, the idea of 'worshiping' a God apparently has something to do with extreme obedience and a belief that the ancient Hebrews speak for God in a verbatim sense. If anything, you worship the ancient Hebrews as God.

That's fine, if you want to do that. But asking me to do that is absurd.

I find spiritual religions and philosophies that are more capable of putting me in touch with the source of all life (and whatever that source is must be "god") No names are required.

So to accuse me of refusing to worship "God" is totally absurd. All you're doing when you do that is revealing your gross misunderstanding of my spiritual philosophies and beliefs.

It is impossible for my spiritual beliefs to be "unrighteous", because they are as sincere as a new born baby. And sincerity can never be unrighteous.

When you accuse me of refusing to worship God, you are accusing me of being insincere. And YES, I do find that accusation to be extremely insulting and disrespectful on your behalf.

I have never accused you of being insincere in your attempts to seek or commune with God. On the contrary, I fully accept that you belief in the orthodox Christian view of God is as sincere as it can be. And therefore, for you is necessarily must be an act of righteousness.

So I don't question your righteous or sincerity one iota.

I fully respect your beliefs as being sincere and righteous, and therefore I can't imagine any righteous God condemning you on the grounds that you have rejected him. Even if Zeus turns out to be God. Even Zeus would need to recognize that you did your BEST to try to worship the creator of life.

I don't even attempt to put God in a box they way you do. I simply acknowledge the creative source of life. I cannot possible be wrong. That's an impossibility.

You can't worship the creator of all life, and get it wrong. It's just not possible.

Like I say, you just don't have the ability to think as abstractly as I do evidently.

I absolutely definitely accept and embrace the source of life.

Therefore for you to claim that I don't because I'm not worshiping YOUR picture of God, then all you can be claiming is that your picture of God is not the source of life.

So call it Tom, Dick, or Harry. It doesn't matter what label you put on it. It's either the source of all life, or it isn't.

Take away the names and you can't go wrong.

In short, if you truly want to revere the source of all life, do away with religion altogether and just revere life. Then you can't go wrong.

And that's what I do.

Forget about Buddhism and Wicca. I do not "worship" either of those religions or spiritual philosophies. In fact, I personally view them both as spiritual philosophies more so than 'religions'.

They are just organizational archetypes to help the human brain to envision and commune with the divine source.

Christianity can also be used as an organization archetype in this very same way. I personally don't care to use it because I personally find it to be far too gory and ignorant in far too many ways. The story of Jesus was the only bright spot in the whole Abrahamic religion, and I've managed to "save" Jesus from that negative religion by recognizing that he was most likely a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva. So I was even able to incorporate Jesus into my spiritual philosophies without having to drag in all of the Hebrew bigotries and hatred.

So I have the best of all worlds.

If you truly understood my beliefs I can only imagine that you would fully embrace them as being quite divine. There's simply nothing negative in them to find repulsive. It's as divine as a spiritual belief can be.

Yet you continually pass JUDGMENT on my spirituality by accusing me of refusing to worship God if I don't buy into YOUR religious paradigm.

And the true irony is that you don't even seem to have the capability of even comprehending my beliefs. You're in no position to be passing judgment on something that you can't even understand.

You can't worship the creator of all life, and get it wrong. It's just not possible.

Like I say, you just don't have the ability to think as abstractly as I do evidently.

...bottom line is Jesus is the only way to God our father. Jesus is lord.

Cowboy wrote:



The reason you get so much flack is because you make statements like this as if they are facts.

You could try rephrasing it to say:

"I believe that Jesus is the only way to God our father. I believe that Jesus is lord."

We know that these are your beliefs so you don't have to continue to state them as if you are preaching the truth. Just because you say it, does not make it so, and does not convince anyone.

Same goes with anyone else and their beliefs.

If you want to preach, then go get ordained.

Universal Life Church:

http://www.ulcnetwork.com/

making a judgment ' I think what he said was ill informed'


PASSING judgment ' I think he Is stupid'



one makes an observation about what was said or seen without ASSUMING to know about the PERSON who said or did it

the other ASSUMES to know about the PERSON who said or did it

Yeh, that's what those Jehovah witnesses and Morman church people say when they knock on your door. When you state your beliefs as if they ar fact, with no proof to back any of it up, you are preaching.

That is different though. They are going to your private home's door. We're in a General Religion Chat forum where this form of stuff is discussed. I'm not preaching, I'm in a discussion forum discussing.

You are in denial. If you want to be a minister, you better learn the difference between preaching and discussing.

Okay fine. Please start your own thread and discuss religion there.

The topic here, (my thread) is about Judging and making Judgements.

Stick to the topic!

Your talking in meaningless circles.

Sounds great to me.

Not preaching, merely discussing religion as this is the forum set for that. If and when two scientists discuss something they are experimenting with, do they state that they THINK so and so? Or do they state it as if it was already a fact when truly it is still merely a THEORY. There is no difference there. One thinks it to be true, they will discuss it as if it were.