Here is the definition of Feminine. Having the qualities of a woman; becoming or appropriate to the female sex; as, in a good sense, modest, graceful, affectionate, confiding; or, in a bad sense, weak, nerveless, timid, pleasure-loving, effeminate.

I find it interesting that weak, timid, and nerveless are part of describing feminine. Is that what men really want us to be?

weak makes sense though I dont want a woman stronger than me lol


weak and strong have many definitions depending on what your referring too

I am thinking you mean weak in the body sense and not as a person?

I'll take strong woman over a weak woman any day.

Can you please; please teach other guys your way of thinking? You are a breath of fresh air.

I have a hard time saying the word femininity. It is sorta like aluminum or cinnamon. To many damn N's..........

Just say its the F word.

I think it's only modern society that allows women to think they're above being weak, timid or nerveless.
Chivalry is the law of the land, but not the law of the jungle. If society degenerates, so will the paradigm that the female of the species is equal in strength, boldness or courage. Of course there will always be exceptions and it would be ludicrous to make this a general statement about all women, past, present or future.

Of course once that happened (God forbid), a large percentage of men who are conditioned by a soft (fair) society would also be at risk of losing equality, insomuch as they'd be unequipped to effectively cope with the harsh new reality of only the strong survive.

In that case, at least women would be able to fall back on the abilities of their men but I'm not sure how it would work out for the effeminate men of that hypothetical situation.

I suppose one could study prison population data to ascertain to some degree what might happen.

Please don't get me wrong. I LOVE women. It's just my opinion that as well as gaining much by winning their "liberation", they also may have lost much in the process which may not be completely apparent.
Women have innate strengths and courage of a different type than men which will always be equal to if not greater than than us (men). These attributes aren't meant to be competitive with each other, but to enhance and balance each other.

I am NOT attempting to degrade or disparage the modern female. I'm only making what I consider to be reasonable and logical statements on the matter.

Please forgive if I've ruffled any feathers in the process.



Mingle Ladies

One more statement regarding the war of the sexes.

There's not a man on this planet that can stare me down into subjugation. I'd rather die than bow down, but I will concede that the wrong look or even a sigh from a woman I care about can make me doubt myself and weak in the knees.

Therein lies a woman's strength over my own...

I think most men miss the whole meaning of liberation. We just want the basic human right to work in the same fields as men and get fair pay. I have seen many women stuck in extremely abusive or loveless relationships as they don't have the skills or the strength to leave their partners. I served on a combat ship to fulfill my dream; not to demean a man or say I was better than him. Men look at liberation as a threat to them as they feel they are not needed when a woman is liberated. I think its silly when a man thinks that way and he needs to get with the times. I see the next generation of men being alot more open minded than this generation about liberated women. I think the ladies will be very lucky indeed to not have to fight for the right to be treated like a person and not a second class citizen. Personally we all (men and women) need to be able to stand on our own without needing the opposite sex. We should be with each other because we want to and love them; not because of being needy. As a couple we should be able to do things for each other or work together. Liberation didn't make women lose anything; in fact it gave us more options than just being baby making machines and house cleaners.

And therein lies the rub. We do indeed need each other or else the human race is by default doomed in its evolutionary cycle.
Coming to terms with one another s modern "enlightened" status is critical if harmony is desired. It's only through harmony that trust and mutual understanding can flourish.
In that pursuit, we should give each other credit where credit is due, along with the willingness to engage thoughtfully with each other without our dialog degrading into falsely placed resentment attached to past experience with those not present.
I did nothing to hinder the female struggle. I never sent slaves into the lion's den. I never killed a baby harp seal. I did not contribute to anyone's past failed relationships but my own and those involved. I've never subscribed to the belief that women are any less capable or righteously deserving than men, let alone the misogynistic notion that women should be "baby making machines and house cleaners".

Playing the gender card is fine if your going against those trying to oppress you to their advantage, imaginary or real, but using it in debate with those who, if anything, support your rights is nonproductive at best.

I applaud and celebrate your accomplishments. It takes moxie to stand up for yourself, no matter who you are. I humbly appreciate and thank you for your service. I also served on a combat ship, by the way...

I'm not out to put or keep a woman down. I do understand the meaning of the utmost importance that both the sexes, all other things being equal, share equally according to their abilities.

The word "should" more often than not has little to do with what IS in almost any given situation.

Hooray for your continuing struggle. I mean that sincerely. I mean it as much as I have hope for the human race.

Please don't underestimate my capacity for empathy, and also please don't throw the baby out with the bath water in your considerations about "most men" in regard to any supposed lack in their understanding that equal means equal.

"And therein lies the rub. We do indeed need each other or else the human race is by default doomed in its evolutionary cycle.

I did nothing to hinder the female struggle. I never sent slaves into the lion's den. I never killed a baby harp seal. I did not contribute to anyone's past failed relationships but my own and those involved. I've never subscribed to the belief that women are any less capable or righteously deserving than men, let alone the misogynistic notion that women should be "baby making machines and house cleaners".

Playing the gender card is fine if your going against those trying to oppress you to their advantage, imaginary or real, but using it in debate with those who, if anything, support your rights is nonproductive at best.

I applaud and celebrate your accomplishments. It takes moxie to stand up for yourself, no matter who you are. I humbly appreciate and thank you for your service. I also served on a combat ship, by the way...

Hooray for your continuing struggle. I mean that sincerely. I mean it as much as I have hope for the human race.

Please don't underestimate my capacity for empathy, and also please don't throw the baby out with the bath water in your considerations about "most men" in regard to any supposed lack in their understanding that equal means equal."




So, you are saying we need each other simply to populate the planet? Is that the only reason we are together? I thought there just might be more like companionship, loving each other, supporting each other. There has to be more of a reason to be together than popping out babies. So, no I stand by my principle that we don't need each other but rather we want each other. So what are you feeling about Lesbians and Gay men? They certainly don't need the opposite sex. Need means you are needy and this puts a strain on a relationship. I know I couldn't be with a needy man; it would be more like babysitting.

The human race unfortunately won't survive anyways but that is another discussion. My comment was "most men" and thank goodness its not all men. Our generation is slow adapting but there are some still some dinosaurs out there that swallow the tripe our parents taught us about our roles of men and women. My comment about being baby making machines wasn't directed at you persay but that was the common belief by our parents who unfortunately have passed on this crap onto their children. Some men have the smarts to decide for their own to look at things differently while others indeed are stuck in the past. I wasn't at any time playing the gender card but just replying to your comment that we lost something with Liberation. You made a general statement based purely on your own experiences that as we get older we aren't as feminine. Can I safely say that as men get older they get abusive? I have had quite a few abusive relationships with men like that. It isn't fair to judge all men by my own experiences. I just had a bad run of luck as you did with the women you have dated. I can't judge all men by the ones I date or the ones that continually bash feminism. I do see it more in our generation but seeing the younger generation of men being a lot more open to the concept of women doing more with their lives.

Thank you for supporting me in my struggle to go out and live my life as I was meant to be. I meant in no way to attack you but sweetestgirl had a point in "generalization". I tried not to do that but sometimes it does slip out. Feminism or Liberation is not a bad thing and I personally get tired of hearing how it messed up the man/woman relationship from men that truly don't have a clue about what it means to us women. I for one think its great that we can walk away from an abusive relationship rather than living in hell because we can't stand on our own. I just don't know why its such a bad thing for women to ask for the same basic human rights that men have and not be attacked for it.

I think you are a nice guy even if we do agree to disagree. I do hope you meet that special someone that will compliment your life and make you happy. Cheers.

I myself kinda liked the ban the bra thing back then,the only thing that got messed up back then was the control men had over women, me, I already have 4 kids of my own and don't want any more, but I do like the feel of a woman next to me still, and I was born a country boy, and where I come from you disrespect a woman, your world would come to an end, from my mother then my father when he got home, if not them, the neighbor down the street would bust you, boy how times have changed

Excellent my man is gentle and caring so I will stay the same forever.

I want a Strong willed woman but I like small petite woman who may look weak physically but has a fiery side haha

Nicely written NavyGirl! And I'm in total agreement with you.

Say what? Many women become more feminine as they get older.

silly-ness

We don't 'lose' our feminity, we just age as gracefully as we can.
Feminity can not be 'lost'. If a woman doesn't have it, it's because she doesn't want it.

NO ,UNLESS THEY HAVE A SEX CHANGE OPERATION...........

"So, you are saying we need each other simply to populate the planet? Is that the only reason we are together? I thought there just might be more like companionship, loving each other, supporting each other. There has to be more of a reason to be together than popping out babies. So, no I stand by my principle that we don't need each other but rather we want each other. So what are you feeling about Lesbians and Gay men? They certainly don't need the opposite sex. Need means you are needy and this puts a strain on a relationship. I know I couldn't be with a needy man; it would be more like babysitting.

The human race unfortunately won't survive anyways but that is another discussion. My comment was "most men" and thank goodness its not all men. Our generation is slow adapting but there are some still some dinosaurs out there that swallow the tripe our parents taught us about our roles of men and women. My comment about being baby making machines wasn't directed at you persay but that was the common belief by our parents who unfortunately have passed on this crap onto their children. Some men have the smarts to decide for their own to look at things differently while others indeed are stuck in the past. I wasn't at any time playing the gender card but just replying to your comment that we lost something with Liberation. You made a general statement based purely on your own experiences that as we get older we aren't as feminine. Can I safely say that as men get older they get abusive? I have had quite a few abusive relationships with men like that. It isn't fair to judge all men by my own experiences. I just had a bad run of luck as you did with the women you have dated. I can't judge all men by the ones I date or the ones that continually bash feminism. I do see it more in our generation but seeing the younger generation of men being a lot more open to the concept of women doing more with their lives.

Thank you for supporting me in my struggle to go out and live my life as I was meant to be. I meant in no way to attack you but sweetestgirl had a point in "generalization". I tried not to do that but sometimes it does slip out. Feminism or Liberation is not a bad thing and I personally get tired of hearing how it messed up the man/woman relationship from men that truly don't have a clue about what it means to us women. I for one think its great that we can walk away from an abusive relationship rather than living in hell because we can't stand on our own. I just don't know why its such a bad thing for women to ask for the same basic human rights that men have and not be attacked for it.

I think you are a nice guy even if we do agree to disagree. I do hope you meet that special someone that will compliment your life and make you happy. Cheers."


I'm actually not disagreeing with you. I never said that women lose their feminine qualities as the age. I said in my experience some women seem to lose some femininity as they age.

This isn't a general blanket statement. It's specific to my opinion about some of the ladies I know and have known.

One example is someone I've known for over twenty years. Another is my own sister. Yet another is someone I've known since high school.

Some women do become less modest, less graceful, less affectionate, less confiding, less pleasure loving and less effeminate.

If I'd really made a general statement, then maybe I'd deserve the backlash, but I didn't...

In any case I've enjoyed the interchange and suspect that you are a nice person as well.

I also wish you success in your life and hope you find what you're looking for.

Cheers