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Socialism is indeed left-wing. It speaks for itself, and its followers back up its intentions.
But you're going to be attacked on here by the leftists because you asked!! |
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LOL Socialism is only a left wing thing in the minds of the right wing. They use it along with many BS statements to incite anger towards the left. Reload. You're shooting dudes! For this to apply to me I would have to be right wing. I am not saying socialism is bad nor am I spouting hate. I only made a statement and asked a question. |
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Use of the term Left became more prominent after the restoration of the French monarchy in 1815 when it was applied to the "Independents".[4] The term was then applied to a number of revolutionary movements, especially socialism, anarchism[5] and communism. The term is also used to describe social democracy and social liberalism.[6][7]
Wikipedia on what left wing is. I am not the only one thinking socialism is a left wing idea. |
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Not only is Socialism a left idea, it is a bad idea.
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Not only is Socialism a left idea, it is a bad idea. Yeah I would say it's a pretty bad idea. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 62 million deaths, 1917-'87 People's Republic of China, 35 million deahts, 1949-'87; Germany under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party,21 million, 1933-'45. |
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But the left fully supports it
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5 Reasons That The AZ Shooter Jared Loughner Is A Teabagger Previous Click for More Post by Casey Gane-McCalla in NewsOne Original on Jan 10, 2011 at 4:53 pm Jared Loughner may not have attended a Tea Party rally or registered with any Tea Party groups, but he shares several similarities with the Tea Party movement. 1. Anger Against The Government The first obviously is his anger against the government. His violent act reflected the anger against government for health care, and immigration symbolized by Sarah Palin’s placement of Rep. Gifford in the crosshairs of gun. While Loughner’s rants may seem like those of a madmen, so do most rants from Tea Party members. Several elements from Loughner’s rants directly tie him the Patriot Movement, anti-New World Order crowd, that is prominent in the Tea Party. 2. Obsessed With The Constitution Like many in the Tea Party, Loughner was obsessed with the Constitution. He would use the Constitution to back up his nonsensical arguments constantly according to teacher’s and classmates. 3. Major “New World Order” Conspiracy Theorist Also like many people in the Tea Party, Loughner was a conspiracy theorist. He believed in a New World Order conspiracy and global currency plot, not unlike the Patriot Movement section of the Tea Party, represented by Alex Jones and Ron Paul. His views on currency also mirror Ron Paul’s and the Patriot movement’s according to the SPLC. 4. Connected To White Supremacist Organization According to Fox News, the Department Of Homeland Security has tied Loughner to American Renaissance, a pro-Tea Party white supremacist organization. Both the NAACP and myself have connected the Tea Party to several white supremacist organizations. 5. Ayn Rand Fan Loughner listed Ayn Rand’s “We Are Living” as one of his favorite books. Ayn Rand is Tea Party hero credited with inspiring its philosophy. The Patriot movement, which is having a big resurgence under the Tea Party, has produced several right wing terrorists. The first one, Timothy McVeigh, a New World Order fearing conspiracy theorist with ties to white supremacists like Loughner, killed 168 people in a terror attack in 1995. James Von Brunn the Holocaust shooter who killed a security guard at the Holocaust museum in Washington D.C. was another right wing terrorist who ranted against the federal reserve, supported Tea Party favorite, Ron Paul and posted on the right wing website, Free Republic. Byron Williams was inspired by another Tea Party icon, Glenn Beck to plan out an assassination attempt of leaders of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU in an act of terror in 2010 before he was pulled over by police and had a shootout with them. Jon Patrick Bedell, the man who shot two officers at the Pentagon in a terrorist attack was a fan of Ron Paul’s paleoconservative Lugwig Von Mises institute and Ron Paul’s former head of staff, Lew Rockwell, and the Hutaree Militia who allegedly were planning an attack to kill police men and civilians in Michigan for another terrorist attack were part of the Patriot movement and its leader was a “Ron Paul” fanatic according to his wife. The elements that had a role in Loughner’s deranged world view, that lead to his atrocious act are all active in the Tea Party, a strong hatred of government, a belief in conspiracy theories, and racism. Republican leaders must recognize the presence of conspiracy theories, racism, and anti-government resentment in the Tea Party if they are going to incorporate the Tea Party into the GOP. They either need to speak out against these elements or take responsibility next time some McVeigh, Loughner, Bedell, or Williams kills innocent people in a senseless act of terror. In the same way they blame radical Islamic clerics, for the acts of terrorists, leaders and activists on the right must take accountability for the actions of their followers and who they influence. http://newsone.com/newsone-original/casey-gane-mccalla/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-has-all-the-ingredients-of-a-tea-party-member/ 
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Not only is Socialism a left idea, it is a bad idea. Yeah I would say it's a pretty bad idea. Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, 62 million deaths, 1917-'87 People's Republic of China, 35 million deahts, 1949-'87; Germany under the National Socialist German Workers’ Party,21 million, 1933-'45. Rival Gangs fighting over the same Territory! For things which did not belong to them! |
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thats it, keep drinking the kool aid... you guys will try to convince yourselves of anything... Not to mention the people who know him best say he is far left. |
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Are you seriously telling us that this case of insanity with tragic impact is entirely the fault of the people you personally don't agree with? This post (along with similar ones from both conservative and liberal Minglers) demonstrates the hatemongering and intolerance you say you despise. The continued fingerpointing and anger almost makes me more sad than the tragedy in Tucson... Can't we all be NICE for a change?
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Honestly, I get tired of listening to and reading the arguments all the time. It isn't that the people involved don't have anything valuable to contribute. Rather it is the context and perspective of their arguments that skew the interpretations of the real facts they present. That leads to false, illogical, and unsound statements by both sides that inevitably leads to intolerance and finger-pointing.
Having been a high-ranking officer of my debate society at Colby College, I have debated against Harvard, Yale, and Princeton....against Smith, Wellesley, and Mt. Holyoke....against John Hopkins, Georgetown, and even Stanford who flew to the East Coast for a major tournament. Those that allowed debate to devolve into intolerance and accusation were absolutely manhandled by the good debaters, and I've done my share of it too. If you can't view things objectively and rationally, you will have a hard time convincing the people who really matter. Plain and simple. Until Americans realize this and wake up, we will forever be a nation of whiners and complainers. As a History major who focused on Civil War, I can actually say our country wasn't always like this, and especially not to the extent that it is now. |
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5 Reasons That The AZ Shooter Jared Loughner Is A Teabagger Previous Click for More Post by Casey Gane-McCalla in NewsOne Original on Jan 10, 2011 at 4:53 pm Jared Loughner may not have attended a Tea Party rally or registered with any Tea Party groups, but he shares several similarities with the Tea Party movement. 1. Anger Against The Government The first obviously is his anger against the government. His violent act reflected the anger against government for health care, and immigration symbolized by Sarah Palin’s placement of Rep. Gifford in the crosshairs of gun. While Loughner’s rants may seem like those of a madmen, so do most rants from Tea Party members. Several elements from Loughner’s rants directly tie him the Patriot Movement, anti-New World Order crowd, that is prominent in the Tea Party. 2. Obsessed With The Constitution Like many in the Tea Party, Loughner was obsessed with the Constitution. He would use the Constitution to back up his nonsensical arguments constantly according to teacher’s and classmates. 3. Major “New World Order” Conspiracy Theorist Also like many people in the Tea Party, Loughner was a conspiracy theorist. He believed in a New World Order conspiracy and global currency plot, not unlike the Patriot Movement section of the Tea Party, represented by Alex Jones and Ron Paul. His views on currency also mirror Ron Paul’s and the Patriot movement’s according to the SPLC. 4. Connected To White Supremacist Organization According to Fox News, the Department Of Homeland Security has tied Loughner to American Renaissance, a pro-Tea Party white supremacist organization. Both the NAACP and myself have connected the Tea Party to several white supremacist organizations. 5. Ayn Rand Fan Loughner listed Ayn Rand’s “We Are Living” as one of his favorite books. Ayn Rand is Tea Party hero credited with inspiring its philosophy. The Patriot movement, which is having a big resurgence under the Tea Party, has produced several right wing terrorists. The first one, Timothy McVeigh, a New World Order fearing conspiracy theorist with ties to white supremacists like Loughner, killed 168 people in a terror attack in 1995. James Von Brunn the Holocaust shooter who killed a security guard at the Holocaust museum in Washington D.C. was another right wing terrorist who ranted against the federal reserve, supported Tea Party favorite, Ron Paul and posted on the right wing website, Free Republic. Byron Williams was inspired by another Tea Party icon, Glenn Beck to plan out an assassination attempt of leaders of the Tides Foundation and the ACLU in an act of terror in 2010 before he was pulled over by police and had a shootout with them. Jon Patrick Bedell, the man who shot two officers at the Pentagon in a terrorist attack was a fan of Ron Paul’s paleoconservative Lugwig Von Mises institute and Ron Paul’s former head of staff, Lew Rockwell, and the Hutaree Militia who allegedly were planning an attack to kill police men and civilians in Michigan for another terrorist attack were part of the Patriot movement and its leader was a “Ron Paul” fanatic according to his wife. The elements that had a role in Loughner’s deranged world view, that lead to his atrocious act are all active in the Tea Party, a strong hatred of government, a belief in conspiracy theories, and racism. Republican leaders must recognize the presence of conspiracy theories, racism, and anti-government resentment in the Tea Party if they are going to incorporate the Tea Party into the GOP. They either need to speak out against these elements or take responsibility next time some McVeigh, Loughner, Bedell, or Williams kills innocent people in a senseless act of terror. In the same way they blame radical Islamic clerics, for the acts of terrorists, leaders and activists on the right must take accountability for the actions of their followers and who they influence. http://newsone.com/newsone-original/casey-gane-mccalla/arizona-shooter-jared-loughner-has-all-the-ingredients-of-a-tea-party-member/
 
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For the record, most European "democracies" are at least partly socialist. Also, under the National Socialist Party, Germany pulled out of two decades of severe depression, becoming an economic and military powerhouse while most of the developed world was still mired in the Great Depression. Volkswagen was one of the companies actually founded by the National Socialist Party, and it's still around today.
So, the jury is still out on whether socialism is bad. A fully socialist government - which hasn't truly been yet seen on this planet - may not work at all, or if it did, may be more harm than good. On the other hand, Communism doesn't work at all. It quickly devolves into either an oligarchy or a totalitarian government. Socialist Democracy - which is what socialism really is - does not exist because no country is a true democracy. Such a system truly is mob rule, and is only one step away from true Communism. Both are utopian ideals. Most countries that are partly socialist are Republics which help to moderate the socialist policies. In the US, this does not work well because the system has been "patched up" repeatedly without being fixed. Each new socialist program simply adds to the burden of a leaking ship. This is why I was against health-care when everyone else was clamoring for it. Socialist programs can work in the US if our politicians would stop debating issues like "nutrition in public schools" and focus on "governmental accountability and reorganization".....for instance, get rid of pork barrel projects, reduce congressional access by lobbyists, overhaul the tax code to eliminate loopholes, etc. Our politicians need to begin paying more attention to governmental issues than social issues like steroids in baseball. Am I a liberal? Nope. Am I a member of the Tea Party? Nope. Am I conservative? Nope. I do believe in a Flat Rate Income Tax and a Balanced Budget Amendment. I do believe in lower taxes on businesses and higher taxes on wealthy citizens. Technically, a properly calculated flat rate tax would accomplish both, and would eliminate the need for several lesser taxes. A flat rate income tax of 20% for all U.S. citizens would currently generate $2 trillion in tax revenue. The 2010 net operating budget for the federal government was $2.08 trillion. With proper fiscal management, those numbers could be slashed drastically. On top of that, I also believe is bringing back tariffs as a way to promote manufacturing within the US while also generating more tax revenue. Therefore, when properly structured and policed, the income tax rate would probably fall somewhere between 12% and 15% for all U.S. citizens. This includes Social Security and Medicare without a separate deduction in your paycheck, and without the need for an employer contribution (i.e. lower business taxes). This is what our elected officials should be focusing on because it would reduce the burden on the middle class, fix the tax code, relieve small business and big business alike, and create jobs here in the U.S. Enough of liberal vs. conservative. Enough of the "favor system". Time to bunker down, and fix the economics of our country instead of slapping band-aids on it. Maybe then we can talk about things like health-care. |
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I don't drink koolaid. Now if I believed that Obama wasn't a citizen, that is koolaid. If I believed that the tea party has the best interest for all this country at heart, that is koolaid. If I believed that the hatemongering and fearmongering of the right has no consequences, that is koolaid. So no koolaid here. so, whenever something bad happens, you lefties try to associate it with the right, whenever something good happens, it was the lefts doing.... kool aid or not, i say get real... who cares what side he is on? so keep playing the blame game, and watch this country go down the toilet because of politics blame game. Wait, don't you guys do the same thing? I see a lot of blaming the left for things here in this forum when things aren't going well. Whomever makes an action is responsible for the outcome-it's neither a left nor right issue. Left and Right is a false paradigm anyway. Just an anachronistic contrivance borrowed from british parliament. |
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Not only is Socialism a left idea, it is a bad idea. Socialism was primarily developed by Marx and Engels. It is used by all political parties to some extent or another. |
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For the record, most European "democracies" are at least partly socialist. Also, under the National Socialist Party, Germany pulled out of two decades of severe depression, becoming an economic and military powerhouse while most of the developed world was still mired in the Great Depression. Volkswagen was one of the companies actually founded by the National Socialist Party, and it's still around today. So, the jury is still out on whether socialism is bad. A fully socialist government - which hasn't truly been yet seen on this planet - may not work at all, or if it did, may be more harm than good. On the other hand, Communism doesn't work at all. It quickly devolves into either an oligarchy or a totalitarian government. Socialist Democracy - which is what socialism really is - does not exist because no country is a true democracy. Such a system truly is mob rule, and is only one step away from true Communism. Both are utopian ideals. Most countries that are partly socialist are Republics which help to moderate the socialist policies. In the US, this does not work well because the system has been "patched up" repeatedly without being fixed. Each new socialist program simply adds to the burden of a leaking ship. This is why I was against health-care when everyone else was clamoring for it. Socialist programs can work in the US if our politicians would stop debating issues like "nutrition in public schools" and focus on "governmental accountability and reorganization".....for instance, get rid of pork barrel projects, reduce congressional access by lobbyists, overhaul the tax code to eliminate loopholes, etc. Our politicians need to begin paying more attention to governmental issues than social issues like steroids in baseball. Am I a liberal? Nope. Am I a member of the Tea Party? Nope. Am I conservative? Nope. I do believe in a Flat Rate Income Tax and a Balanced Budget Amendment. I do believe in lower taxes on businesses and higher taxes on wealthy citizens. Technically, a properly calculated flat rate tax would accomplish both, and would eliminate the need for several lesser taxes. A flat rate income tax of 20% for all U.S. citizens would currently generate $2 trillion in tax revenue. The 2010 net operating budget for the federal government was $2.08 trillion. With proper fiscal management, those numbers could be slashed drastically. On top of that, I also believe is bringing back tariffs as a way to promote manufacturing within the US while also generating more tax revenue. Therefore, when properly structured and policed, the income tax rate would probably fall somewhere between 12% and 15% for all U.S. citizens. This includes Social Security and Medicare without a separate deduction in your paycheck, and without the need for an employer contribution (i.e. lower business taxes). This is what our elected officials should be focusing on because it would reduce the burden on the middle class, fix the tax code, relieve small business and big business alike, and create jobs here in the U.S. Enough of liberal vs. conservative. Enough of the "favor system". Time to bunker down, and fix the economics of our country instead of slapping band-aids on it. Maybe then we can talk about things like health-care. A very academic theory, but it assumes the income tax is legitimate in the first place. Even the most arrogant Federalists never believed in it(it has always been considered theft in classical American thought, along with central banking). There was no income tax at all until 1913. It is and always has been nothing more than grand-scale theft to sponsor the elites' favorite activities and keep the slaves (aka "citizens") busy and constantly in conflict. This also serves as a good distraction from the criminality of the regime. |
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"For the record, most European "democracies" are at least partly socialist. Also, under the National Socialist Party, Germany pulled out of two decades of severe depression, becoming an economic and military powerhouse while most of the developed world was still mired in the Great Depression. Volkswagen was one of the companies actually founded by the National Socialist Party, and it's still around today."
For the record... Volkswagen not withstanding... NSP pulled Germany out of two decades of severe depression by sacraficing a good portion of its citizens... Less mouths to feed... Aztec economics don't quite work well if you is one of the 'sacraficees'... |
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"For the record, most European "democracies" are at least partly socialist. Also, under the National Socialist Party, Germany pulled out of two decades of severe depression, becoming an economic and military powerhouse while most of the developed world was still mired in the Great Depression. Volkswagen was one of the companies actually founded by the National Socialist Party, and it's still around today." For the record... Volkswagen not withstanding... NSP pulled Germany out of two decades of severe depression by sacraficing a good portion of its citizens... Less mouths to feed... Aztec economics don't quite work well if you is one of the 'sacraficees'... 
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UNCLE???????
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Just popping in to say hello and get my laughs for the day......shi ts and giggles ya know
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