Topic: Reid to add Amnesty for Illegals to Defense Bill
mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/16/10 03:25 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 09/16/10 03:26 PM


what an AGIST peice of legislation,,,,why cant my sixty year old ex sneak into the states and request government assisted education on his way to becoming LEGAL?


If he can get into Mexico and cross the border with others and then if the DREAM ACT passes, all he will have to do is prove long term residency with something valid like elementary school records from the state in which he attended elementary school.

- just being stilly. I am sorry for the position you've been placed in. I am just one person, but I am one person among many who are actively persuing avenues of change in our current immigration policies so that family members can be more readily united.

Sometimes we have to persue a course of action that is not completely in tune with other values we hold - at that point it becomes a matter of individual priority.

While not my only perspective on the matter or when I advocate for immigration reform, I still often site the fact that homosexuals are totally denied immigration privileges that heterosexuals have, for no other reason than they are not allowed to be married and benefit from current immigration law (even though it is less than adequate in its current condition.)

So as long as I advocate for immigration reform anyway, I include all the issues - even the homosexual point of view. If they can't marry and reap the benefits that exist under marriage laws, then there's no reason NOT to include homosexuals as new laws are reformed.

It would be my pleasure to see a happy reunion for you with your loved one. I'll keep working on it.

move to Argentina... they support homo marriage...
you can sneak in their country and live off their government

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/16/10 03:27 PM



what an AGIST peice of legislation,,,,why cant my sixty year old ex sneak into the states and request government assisted education on his way to becoming LEGAL?


If he can get into Mexico and cross the border with others and then if the DREAM ACT passes, all he will have to do is prove long term residency with something valid like elementary school records from the state in which he attended elementary school.

- just being stilly. I am sorry for the position you've been placed in. I am just one person, but I am one person among many who are actively persuing avenues of change in our current immigration policies so that family members can be more readily united.

Sometimes we have to persue a course of action that is not completely in tune with other values we hold - at that point it becomes a matter of individual priority.

While not my only perspective on the matter or when I advocate for immigration reform, I still often site the fact that homosexuals are totally denied immigration privileges that heterosexuals have, for no other reason than they are not allowed to be married and benefit from current immigration law (even though it is less than adequate in its current condition.)

So as long as I advocate for immigration reform anyway, I include all the issues - even the homosexual point of view. If they can't marry and reap the benefits that exist under marriage laws, then there's no reason NOT to include homosexuals as new laws are reformed.

It would be my pleasure to see a happy reunion for you with your loved one. I'll keep working on it.

move to Argentina... they support homo marriage...


its not an issue of pro or anit homosexual marriage, marital visas are just one of MANY that immigrants can apply for

mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/16/10 03:29 PM




what an AGIST peice of legislation,,,,why cant my sixty year old ex sneak into the states and request government assisted education on his way to becoming LEGAL?


If he can get into Mexico and cross the border with others and then if the DREAM ACT passes, all he will have to do is prove long term residency with something valid like elementary school records from the state in which he attended elementary school.

- just being stilly. I am sorry for the position you've been placed in. I am just one person, but I am one person among many who are actively persuing avenues of change in our current immigration policies so that family members can be more readily united.

Sometimes we have to persue a course of action that is not completely in tune with other values we hold - at that point it becomes a matter of individual priority.

While not my only perspective on the matter or when I advocate for immigration reform, I still often site the fact that homosexuals are totally denied immigration privileges that heterosexuals have, for no other reason than they are not allowed to be married and benefit from current immigration law (even though it is less than adequate in its current condition.)

So as long as I advocate for immigration reform anyway, I include all the issues - even the homosexual point of view. If they can't marry and reap the benefits that exist under marriage laws, then there's no reason NOT to include homosexuals as new laws are reformed.

It would be my pleasure to see a happy reunion for you with your loved one. I'll keep working on it.

move to Argentina... they support homo marriage...


its not an issue of pro or anit homosexual marriage, marital visas are just one of MANY that immigrants can apply for

not to marry another homo...

willing2's photo
Thu 09/16/10 03:45 PM

I am one person among many who are actively pursuing "Illegal" family members be united.

You got it!drinker
Report, Deport!
Reunite the Illegals with their families in their homelands!


mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/16/10 03:50 PM


I am one person among many who are actively pursuing "Illegal" family members be united.

You got it!drinker
Report, Deport!
Reunite the Illegals with their families in their homelands!




but the illegals have rights...a right to do things LEGALLY...

Redykeulous's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:02 PM



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,


That is a difficult position to assume for many reasons.

First, if we take a good look around at all the laws in this country whose only funtion is to protect the 'human rights' of children, we have to come to at least two conclusions. One conclusion is that the people in this country value humans to the point of protecting human rights in its laws. The next conclusion would be that we value children as individual humans whose rights are not only inherant, but deserve greater legal protections because of their immaturity.

The statment "immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," is completely out of sync with the value we place on human rights and the idea that children are humans and individuals, not only with every right of any other humans, but with rights of protection according to their level of capability and maturity.

Secondly, in this country, rarely are parent held responsible for the laws thier children break, and when those reach the age of majority, there is only the adult child who will suffer the consequesnces of self-action.

So the statment ""immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," makes children responsible for the actions of their parents, even into their adulthood.

If an obvious error of logic is not noticed after one considers those examples, then blinding prejudice may be the reason.


actually, it is not blinding prejudice to recognize the DIRECT responsibility of PARENTS to protect their children(even before the community) and not place them in harms way either legally or physically

If I commit grand larceny and am caught, I am responsible for my children having to loose their home and go into foster care,,,,and I can hardly gripe or be 'mad' at the government for not giving them the same kind of 'protection' that I , as a parent, should have been concerned with before deciding to break the law


Yes, but you don't take the analogy far enough. When a single parent or parents become incapable of caring for their children, are the children sent to another country? Are they sent to forced labor camps? Are those children considered orphans to be put up for adoption without any oversight as to the quality of the home the child would be place in?

NO

In this country, every effort is made to accommodate the best interests of the child. If a family member is able and willing to take the child but is incapable financially of that support – once the family member has been otherwise qualified, then many resources are made available to assist in making the accommodation possible. Any other course is of action required is seriously considered from the viewpoint of the best interests of the child.

BUT

There is still more to consider. Our Constitution is was created on the basis of ‘human validity’. That which gives a human value and thus the inherent rights of any individual, was the first consideration written into our Constitution which has become an endemic property of our laws. These inherent rights are not designated solely to American citizens – they encompass any human at any time they are on American soil or otherwise protected by agencies of the American people.

Above all, WE THE PEOPLE have chosen to extend greater protections of children by incorporating specific laws, agencies, and entitlements to aid in their defense when their defense, sometimes to the point of removing a child from its natural parents.

It doesn’t make sense to think that American children alone are privileged in all the world to such human rights.

Finally, we at a disadvantage, because many of these children were born here – that automatically makes them American citizens. The problem is that a great many immigrant children, born here or not, lack the documentation to prove their birthright.

The DREAM Act would:
Allow for the status of an unauthorized alien to that of provisional permanent resident - conditional to certain terms and restrictions.
The status change provides extended avenues through which these students may gain access to resources allowing for a more equitable opportunity of attaining higher education. Resources gained would include, lower in-state tuition rates as compliant with residency specifications of the Act, access to ‘private’ student loans, internships and work-study programs and students services offered by the college. Also included is the ability to attain legal employment to help themselves, and the right to further status adjustment to full citizenship upon meeting all requirements.

In this way, kids who has no choice and are being denied choice, are treated as INDIVIDUALS entitled to their own human rights. It must be understood that these students risk a lot when they enter into this agreement. Individual are making themselves known to every legal authority, and if a person (given this choice as a human and an adult) does not live up to the behavioral expectations of the agreement, or any other part of the agreement, that person is easy enough to find and deport.

No other course of citizenship requires the rigorous mental and physical aspects that are inclusive in the DREAM ACT. I find it difficult to even imagine the kind of stress such this college student would be under.

Those who succeed in meeting all the requirements of the DREAM ACT will be allowed to become full citizens. Personally, I think that any person who would subject themselves to such a rigorous and stressful ordeal just to gain an education “worthy of citizenship” – should be a welcome addition. Those who fail are illegal by their own action and not that of another.


willing2's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:12 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 09/16/10 04:15 PM
Again. The Dream Act will just make mass Amnesty for more than 20+Million Illegals that much easier. Fight it.
Call the numbers listed.
Let the Reps know their job is at risk if they support this.
Report Illegals and the people who hire them 1-866-DHS-2-ICE

Redykeulous's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:13 PM

on second thought, lets have a statute like with other crimes

if you have managed for ten years to reside without getting caught,,,you should be permitted to go back to your HOME(wherever you were before breaking the law) without penalty and apply without penalty for citizenship BEHIND all those who chose to follow the law from jump,,,

children are resilient, they can make anyplace a home so long as they are loved,,,


In that case we would have no need for all the current child protective services or welfare programs or the laws and agencies extending from those laws that are meant to protect children REGARDLESS or even despite the poor choices of thier parents.

And abortion would a totally acceptable action - because without the laws, and the agencies and the charities etc, we would be better without those little unwanted waifs anyway.

Would you agree?

Redykeulous's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:20 PM

on second thought, lets have a statute like with other crimes

if you have managed for ten years to reside without getting caught,,,you should be permitted to go back to your HOME(wherever you were before breaking the law) without penalty and apply without penalty for citizenship BEHIND all those who chose to follow the law from jump,,,

children are resilient, they can make anyplace a home so long as they are loved,,,


Well, the first step is to GET Congress to seriously address immigration reform. As soon as I see that a bill has been called to calendar in any session, I’ll let you know and you can advocate for what you would like to see in the new laws.

willing2's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:22 PM


In that case we would have no need for all the current child protective services or welfare programs or the laws and agencies extending from those laws that are meant to protect children REGARDLESS or even despite the poor choices of thier parents.

And abortion would a totally acceptable action - because without the laws, and the agencies and the charities etc, we would be better without those little unwanted waifs anyway.

Would you agree?

Again.
If you want a topic on abortion, please, start your own topic.

Report Illegals and the people who hire them 1-866-DHS-2-ICE

mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:26 PM



In that case we would have no need for all the current child protective services or welfare programs or the laws and agencies extending from those laws that are meant to protect children REGARDLESS or even despite the poor choices of thier parents.

And abortion would a totally acceptable action - because without the laws, and the agencies and the charities etc, we would be better without those little unwanted waifs anyway.

Would you agree?

Again.
If you want a topic on abortion, please, start your own topic.

Report Illegals and the people who hire them 1-866-DHS-2-ICE
typical democrats, have there own agenda and the hell with anything that doesn't conform to their standards

Redykeulous's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:28 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Thu 09/16/10 04:34 PM

thank you

my husband can also not come under the same requirement that someone with more income can simply because he doesnt have adequate income,,,,there are many types of visas and I dont quite agree that each type has to apply to EVERY persons situation,,,

homosexuals cant obtain a marriage visa but there are plenty others they can obtain,,,,and technically they could marry to enter the states and then divorce so even that is not an issue,,,that their preference doesnt meet the regulations is not, in my eyes, an issue of inequality

I believe the immigration laws are fairly written and I understand their guidelines, I just feel they should be applied EQUALLY


I think the laws need so serious reconsideration, but the real work of reform will be to deal with
the current situation of illegal residency,
better enforcement,
and the main priority which will facilitate actions on the first two, is to get a good hold on the immigrations administration policies, including much more effective record keeping and tracking methods.

By the way, it may meet with more approval if I indicate that I have not been happy with past DREAM ACT bills and I have offered suggestions, to several of our delagates for making the bill better.

Specifically, I advocate for immigration reform that would make the need of such a bill unnecessary - so I have suggested that the bill include a 'time frame' to coinside with a projection of when immigration reform would be in full force.

I'm as liberal as my logic requies me to be, but no so liberal as to think the DREAM ACT is the end all solution.

willing2's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:34 PM
Support The CLEAR Act (H.R.2406) clarifies state and local officers' authority to detain illegal aliens and requires the federal government to respond to state and local requests to pick up and remove the illegal aliens.

Introduced by Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) on May 14, 2009, the CLEAR Act:

* increases SCAAP funds for communities that work with, and not against, federal immigration enforcement efforts, and recognizes the important role local governments’ play in securing our homeland;
* provides recognition of inherent state and local law enforcement authority to help enforce immigration law, but leaves it up to individual agencies to determine how big a role they will play;
* improves information sharing with the federal government;
* sets requirements for the federal government to expeditiously remove criminal aliens; and
* increases federal resources for local governments that choose to assist in immigration enforcement.


mightymoe's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:38 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 09/16/10 04:41 PM

Support The CLEAR Act (H.R.2406) clarifies state and local officers' authority to detain illegal aliens and requires the federal government to respond to state and local requests to pick up and remove the illegal aliens.

Introduced by Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) on May 14, 2009, the CLEAR Act:

* increases SCAAP funds for communities that work with, and not against, federal immigration enforcement efforts, and recognizes the important role local governments’ play in securing our homeland;
* provides recognition of inherent state and local law enforcement authority to help enforce immigration law, but leaves it up to individual agencies to determine how big a role they will play;
* improves information sharing with the federal government;
* sets requirements for the federal government to expeditiously remove criminal aliens; and
* increases federal resources for local governments that choose to assist in immigration enforcement.


you forgot one...that local law enforcement will NOT be able to detain illegals for being illegal...
http://mingle2.com/topic/show/284403

Redykeulous's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:43 PM

Again. The Dream Act will just make mass Amnesty for more than 20+Million Illegals that much easier. Fight it.
Call the numbers listed.
Let the Reps know their job is at risk if they support this.
Report Illegals and the people who hire them 1-866-DHS-2-ICE



How did you come up with that figure? And what makes you think all those people can meet the requirements and provisions contained in the DREAM Act?


Redykeulous's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:48 PM

Support The CLEAR Act (H.R.2406) clarifies state and local officers' authority to detain illegal aliens and requires the federal government to respond to state and local requests to pick up and remove the illegal aliens.

Introduced by Rep. Marsha Blackburn (R-TN) on May 14, 2009, the CLEAR Act:

* increases SCAAP funds for communities that work with, and not against, federal immigration enforcement efforts, and recognizes the important role local governments’ play in securing our homeland;
* provides recognition of inherent state and local law enforcement authority to help enforce immigration law, but leaves it up to individual agencies to determine how big a role they will play;
* improves information sharing with the federal government;
* sets requirements for the federal government to expeditiously remove criminal aliens; and
* increases federal resources for local governments that choose to assist in immigration enforcement.





This is no substitute for a full immigration reform, in fact implemeting these kinds of laws, only make the process of reform more difficult.


willing2's photo
Thu 09/16/10 04:48 PM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 09/16/10 04:50 PM
No need for reform, ie, "amnesty".

The Feds need only enforce current Laws.

That would be the least expensive avenue.

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msharmony's photo
Thu 09/16/10 05:07 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/16/10 05:15 PM




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,


That is a difficult position to assume for many reasons.

First, if we take a good look around at all the laws in this country whose only funtion is to protect the 'human rights' of children, we have to come to at least two conclusions. One conclusion is that the people in this country value humans to the point of protecting human rights in its laws. The next conclusion would be that we value children as individual humans whose rights are not only inherant, but deserve greater legal protections because of their immaturity.

The statment "immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," is completely out of sync with the value we place on human rights and the idea that children are humans and individuals, not only with every right of any other humans, but with rights of protection according to their level of capability and maturity.

Secondly, in this country, rarely are parent held responsible for the laws thier children break, and when those reach the age of majority, there is only the adult child who will suffer the consequesnces of self-action.

So the statment ""immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," makes children responsible for the actions of their parents, even into their adulthood.

If an obvious error of logic is not noticed after one considers those examples, then blinding prejudice may be the reason.


actually, it is not blinding prejudice to recognize the DIRECT responsibility of PARENTS to protect their children(even before the community) and not place them in harms way either legally or physically

If I commit grand larceny and am caught, I am responsible for my children having to loose their home and go into foster care,,,,and I can hardly gripe or be 'mad' at the government for not giving them the same kind of 'protection' that I , as a parent, should have been concerned with before deciding to break the law


Yes, but you don't take the analogy far enough. When a single parent or parents become incapable of caring for their children, are the children sent to another country? Are they sent to forced labor camps? Are those children considered orphans to be put up for adoption without any oversight as to the quality of the home the child would be place in?

NO

In this country, every effort is made to accommodate the best interests of the child. If a family member is able and willing to take the child but is incapable financially of that support – once the family member has been otherwise qualified, then many resources are made available to assist in making the accommodation possible. Any other course is of action required is seriously considered from the viewpoint of the best interests of the child.

BUT

There is still more to consider. Our Constitution is was created on the basis of ‘human validity’. That which gives a human value and thus the inherent rights of any individual, was the first consideration written into our Constitution which has become an endemic property of our laws. These inherent rights are not designated solely to American citizens – they encompass any human at any time they are on American soil or otherwise protected by agencies of the American people.

Above all, WE THE PEOPLE have chosen to extend greater protections of children by incorporating specific laws, agencies, and entitlements to aid in their defense when their defense, sometimes to the point of removing a child from its natural parents.

It doesn’t make sense to think that American children alone are privileged in all the world to such human rights.

Finally, we at a disadvantage, because many of these children were born here – that automatically makes them American citizens. The problem is that a great many immigrant children, born here or not, lack the documentation to prove their birthright.

The DREAM Act would:
Allow for the status of an unauthorized alien to that of provisional permanent resident - conditional to certain terms and restrictions.
The status change provides extended avenues through which these students may gain access to resources allowing for a more equitable opportunity of attaining higher education. Resources gained would include, lower in-state tuition rates as compliant with residency specifications of the Act, access to ‘private’ student loans, internships and work-study programs and students services offered by the college. Also included is the ability to attain legal employment to help themselves, and the right to further status adjustment to full citizenship upon meeting all requirements.

In this way, kids who has no choice and are being denied choice, are treated as INDIVIDUALS entitled to their own human rights. It must be understood that these students risk a lot when they enter into this agreement. Individual are making themselves known to every legal authority, and if a person (given this choice as a human and an adult) does not live up to the behavioral expectations of the agreement, or any other part of the agreement, that person is easy enough to find and deport.

No other course of citizenship requires the rigorous mental and physical aspects that are inclusive in the DREAM ACT. I find it difficult to even imagine the kind of stress such this college student would be under.

Those who succeed in meeting all the requirements of the DREAM ACT will be allowed to become full citizens. Personally, I think that any person who would subject themselves to such a rigorous and stressful ordeal just to gain an education “worthy of citizenship” – should be a welcome addition. Those who fail are illegal by their own action and not that of another.




the dream act covers those up to age 36, that is hardly a child

I also disagree that it is anyones 'right' to reside in anothers home


the constitution may have been about 'human validity'( a point of debate for certain), but it did not extend to validating those who break the laws and certainly did not have at its core an intention to put those who break the laws AHEAD of those who follow them

people line up to come to the US and most of them do it through legal channels, to put those who broke the law on an even keel with those making the sacrifices to follow them is certainly not a question of 'human validity' at all, its a question of equity of the law,,



because someone gave birth to their child in my attic and then was able to avoid me for a month , a year, or even a decade,, doesnt make ME responsible for looking after that child once the intruder is captured and taken out of my home,,,although I would not be opposed to them being reunited with their FAMILY members somewhere else

as for the rest, I believe there are reasonable efforts made to see the children reside with FAMILY,, and in these cases that would often times mean IN another country,

elgrande's photo
Mon 09/27/10 10:59 AM


From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett

Harry Reid said he will add the DREAM Act to a Defense Policy Bill next week.<< Looking for re-election from the Mexican vote.

Washington (CNN) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he will add the DREAM Act, a controversial immigration measure, to a defense policy bill the Senate will take up next week.

The decision means the defense bill, which often passes with bipartisan support, will be home to two major, thorny political issues – the other being the repeal of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Reid called the DREAM Act "really important" and said it should be passed because it provides a path to citizenship for young illegal immigrants who go to college or serve in the military. DREAM is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors Act.

"I know we can't do comprehensive immigration reform," Reid said at a news conference. "But those Republicans we had in the last Congress have left us."

Many Hispanic voters are angry with Democratic leaders for not doing more to pass an immigration overhaul. The decision by Reid to add the DREAM Act now could help soothe that anger.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell called Reid's decision "needlessly controversial."

The Senate will need 60 votes to take up the bill next week, and Reid said Tuesday he doesn't know if he has enough votes.<<Please, help make sure he doesn't get this passed.

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/14/reid-adds-controver...

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Overview of the Dream Act. Remembering, it's about Amnesty for Illegals who could apply for an Education VISA.

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/schip.pdf?docID=1661



WHAT - no mention of the abortion issue that is also connected to the National Defense Authorization Act???

Well, I guess it's about how people prioritize their prejudices.

BEFORE picking up that phone and supporting this filibuster -
it might be a good idea to see what ELSE is in the NDAA, there is a reason it is often passed with little adversity. The bill is about our National Defense. It discusses finances regaring research and development and implementation of technology. It discusses issues which would lead to contracts in the public sector. It's about treatment of the personnel and veterans and about authority and who should have it, regarding finances and legal issues within the military and so much more.

The DREAM ACT is a recurrent bill - it has been posted as a new issue in every Congressional Session for years.

In all those years the various bills that have fallen under the catch all term DREAM ACT have failed to gain public awarness on any other level besides as an amnesty program.

The truth is, if the general public had bothered to review those bills objectively, instead of listening to the prejudical trash such news sources as the OP provide, this country, most likely, would have supported Immigration Reform almost ten years ago.

Instead, much of the media has continued to serve up prejudice for dessert without offering a main course of critical analysis of the bill and immigration.

Still, it seems apauling that the elite and educated leaders of this nation would filibuster a bill meant to support, enhance, and protect our military and its operations, because of group based prejudice in more minor matters that they refused to face individually to start with.

I suppose that's why the article did not mention the bill about abortion on military bases around the world. It's because the issue of abortion is not necessarily an issue that invokes preducial views.

As the OP article stands, it serves to invoke the prejudice of people much better without the abortion issue.

The DREAM ACT, is not about unearned amnisty, it is about helping those children who have resided in the United Stated for most of their lives to 'earn' a higher degree of education.

Since this IS the only culture those kids, and young adults know, this is home to them. Working hard to support their own educational efforts and completing that goal will make them productive and worthy citizens.

So the DREAM ACT is about granting enough equality to those young adults, so they can WORK their way through higher education. The act does allow them access to Federal Student loan, grand or scholarship programs. And the path to citizenship is gradual and dependent of how they behave duriong that time period. It is not and EASY course to follow.

What the DREAM ACT does is release the student from workign restrictions so they can support themselves as they study. While immigrant students must be accepted into a college program using the exact same procedures of every other student, the DREAM ACT mandates those colleges to offer those students the SAME residency discounts that all other in-state studens receive. A student can prove in state residency with a history in elementary school.

These people (often born here)had no say in and often do not even realize they are immigrants until they are much older. This is their home and many want to be good citizens and gain a higher education.

By denying these people the ability to get that education, to become a legal citizen, all this country does is create self-fulfilling prophacy situation. All the stereotypical charateristics about immigrants will only be reinforced because those people will remain here, will be low income or live in poverty and pay little in taxes - unless they can persue their own dream of a higher education.

That is the DREAM ACT (in a nut shell).
I have to say it, you are a WISE lady :)

elgrande's photo
Mon 09/27/10 11:19 AM


what an AGIST peice of legislation,,,,why cant my sixty year old ex sneak into the states and request government assisted education on his way to becoming LEGAL?


If he can get into Mexico and cross the border with others and then if the DREAM ACT passes, all he will have to do is prove long term residency with something valid like elementary school records from the state in which he attended elementary school.

- just being stilly. I am sorry for the position you've been placed in. I am just one person, but I am one person among many who are actively persuing avenues of change in our current immigration policies so that family members can be more readily united.

Sometimes we have to persue a course of action that is not completely in tune with other values we hold - at that point it becomes a matter of individual priority.

While not my only perspective on the matter or when I advocate for immigration reform, I still often site the fact that homosexuals are totally denied immigration privileges that heterosexuals have, for no other reason than they are not allowed to be married and benefit from current immigration law (even though it is less than adequate in its current condition.)

So as long as I advocate for immigration reform anyway, I include all the issues - even the homosexual point of view. If they can't marry and reap the benefits that exist under marriage laws, then there's no reason NOT to include homosexuals as new laws are reformed.

It would be my pleasure to see a happy reunion for you with your loved one. I'll keep working on it.
they won't understand , they are a bunch of haters