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Topic: Reid to add Amnesty for Illegals to Defense Bill
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Thu 09/16/10 07:07 AM
Edited by willing2 on Thu 09/16/10 07:08 AM
From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett

Harry Reid said he will add the DREAM Act to a Defense Policy Bill next week.<< Looking for re-election from the Mexican vote.

Washington (CNN) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he will add the DREAM Act, a controversial immigration measure, to a defense policy bill the Senate will take up next week.

The decision means the defense bill, which often passes with bipartisan support, will be home to two major, thorny political issues – the other being the repeal of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Reid called the DREAM Act "really important" and said it should be passed because it provides a path to citizenship for young illegal immigrants who go to college or serve in the military. DREAM is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors Act.

"I know we can't do comprehensive immigration reform," Reid said at a news conference. "But those Republicans we had in the last Congress have left us."

Many Hispanic voters are angry with Democratic leaders for not doing more to pass an immigration overhaul. The decision by Reid to add the DREAM Act now could help soothe that anger.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell called Reid's decision "needlessly controversial."

The Senate will need 60 votes to take up the bill next week, and Reid said Tuesday he doesn't know if he has enough votes.<<Please, help make sure he doesn't get this passed.

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/14/reid-adds-controver...

Make a pledge to call at least 10 senators and talk with your friends and family about calling. Information and ZIP CODES are in the attached link: http://www.rightlyconservative.com/Senators.php

Overview of the Dream Act. Remembering, it's about Amnesty for Illegals who could apply for an Education VISA.

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/schip.pdf?docID=1661

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Thu 09/16/10 07:46 AM
voting time... you know how it is

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Thu 09/16/10 09:39 AM



I think the people of NV are gonna give themselves a form of amnesty in November.

msharmony's photo
Thu 09/16/10 10:11 AM
what an AGIST peice of legislation,,,,why cant my sixty year old ex sneak into the states and request government assisted education on his way to becoming LEGAL?

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Thu 09/16/10 02:00 PM

From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett

Harry Reid said he will add the DREAM Act to a Defense Policy Bill next week.<< Looking for re-election from the Mexican vote.

Washington (CNN) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he will add the DREAM Act, a controversial immigration measure, to a defense policy bill the Senate will take up next week.

The decision means the defense bill, which often passes with bipartisan support, will be home to two major, thorny political issues – the other being the repeal of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Reid called the DREAM Act "really important" and said it should be passed because it provides a path to citizenship for young illegal immigrants who go to college or serve in the military. DREAM is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors Act.

"I know we can't do comprehensive immigration reform," Reid said at a news conference. "But those Republicans we had in the last Congress have left us."

Many Hispanic voters are angry with Democratic leaders for not doing more to pass an immigration overhaul. The decision by Reid to add the DREAM Act now could help soothe that anger.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell called Reid's decision "needlessly controversial."

The Senate will need 60 votes to take up the bill next week, and Reid said Tuesday he doesn't know if he has enough votes.<<Please, help make sure he doesn't get this passed.

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/14/reid-adds-controver...

Make a pledge to call at least 10 senators and talk with your friends and family about calling. Information and ZIP CODES are in the attached link: http://www.rightlyconservative.com/Senators.php

Overview of the Dream Act. Remembering, it's about Amnesty for Illegals who could apply for an Education VISA.

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/schip.pdf?docID=1661



WHAT - no mention of the abortion issue that is also connected to the National Defense Authorization Act???

Well, I guess it's about how people prioritize their prejudices.

BEFORE picking up that phone and supporting this filibuster -
it might be a good idea to see what ELSE is in the NDAA, there is a reason it is often passed with little adversity. The bill is about our National Defense. It discusses finances regaring research and development and implementation of technology. It discusses issues which would lead to contracts in the public sector. It's about treatment of the personnel and veterans and about authority and who should have it, regarding finances and legal issues within the military and so much more.

The DREAM ACT is a recurrent bill - it has been posted as a new issue in every Congressional Session for years.

In all those years the various bills that have fallen under the catch all term DREAM ACT have failed to gain public awarness on any other level besides as an amnesty program.

The truth is, if the general public had bothered to review those bills objectively, instead of listening to the prejudical trash such news sources as the OP provide, this country, most likely, would have supported Immigration Reform almost ten years ago.

Instead, much of the media has continued to serve up prejudice for dessert without offering a main course of critical analysis of the bill and immigration.

Still, it seems apauling that the elite and educated leaders of this nation would filibuster a bill meant to support, enhance, and protect our military and its operations, because of group based prejudice in more minor matters that they refused to face individually to start with.

I suppose that's why the article did not mention the bill about abortion on military bases around the world. It's because the issue of abortion is not necessarily an issue that invokes preducial views.

As the OP article stands, it serves to invoke the prejudice of people much better without the abortion issue.

The DREAM ACT, is not about unearned amnisty, it is about helping those children who have resided in the United Stated for most of their lives to 'earn' a higher degree of education.

Since this IS the only culture those kids, and young adults know, this is home to them. Working hard to support their own educational efforts and completing that goal will make them productive and worthy citizens.

So the DREAM ACT is about granting enough equality to those young adults, so they can WORK their way through higher education. The act does allow them access to Federal Student loan, grand or scholarship programs. And the path to citizenship is gradual and dependent of how they behave duriong that time period. It is not and EASY course to follow.

What the DREAM ACT does is release the student from workign restrictions so they can support themselves as they study. While immigrant students must be accepted into a college program using the exact same procedures of every other student, the DREAM ACT mandates those colleges to offer those students the SAME residency discounts that all other in-state studens receive. A student can prove in state residency with a history in elementary school.

These people (often born here)had no say in and often do not even realize they are immigrants until they are much older. This is their home and many want to be good citizens and gain a higher education.

By denying these people the ability to get that education, to become a legal citizen, all this country does is create self-fulfilling prophacy situation. All the stereotypical charateristics about immigrants will only be reinforced because those people will remain here, will be low income or live in poverty and pay little in taxes - unless they can persue their own dream of a higher education.

That is the DREAM ACT (in a nut shell).

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Thu 09/16/10 02:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,

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Thu 09/16/10 02:09 PM
Edited by mightymoe on Thu 09/16/10 02:12 PM
you didn't mention anything about the military.... and the reason it hasn't been voted in maybe because it lets illegals stay in this country illegally...Their parents are still here sucking our resources for free, so their kids can be citizens...and it encourages more illegals to come into our country so their kids might one day be citizens...your just like the politicians, only post your side of things, NOT the whole issue....

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Thu 09/16/10 02:11 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,


drinker drinker drinker drinker drinker

nobody wants to do things the legal way, they want to cry about not being treated fairly when they are breaking the laws...

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Thu 09/16/10 02:38 PM


From CNN Congressional Producer Ted Barrett

Harry Reid said he will add the DREAM Act to a Defense Policy Bill next week.<< Looking for re-election from the Mexican vote.

Washington (CNN) - Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Tuesday he will add the DREAM Act, a controversial immigration measure, to a defense policy bill the Senate will take up next week.

The decision means the defense bill, which often passes with bipartisan support, will be home to two major, thorny political issues – the other being the repeal of the military's "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

Reid called the DREAM Act "really important" and said it should be passed because it provides a path to citizenship for young illegal immigrants who go to college or serve in the military. DREAM is an acronym for Development, Relief and Education of Alien Minors Act.

"I know we can't do comprehensive immigration reform," Reid said at a news conference. "But those Republicans we had in the last Congress have left us."

Many Hispanic voters are angry with Democratic leaders for not doing more to pass an immigration overhaul. The decision by Reid to add the DREAM Act now could help soothe that anger.

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell called Reid's decision "needlessly controversial."

The Senate will need 60 votes to take up the bill next week, and Reid said Tuesday he doesn't know if he has enough votes.<<Please, help make sure he doesn't get this passed.

Source: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/14/reid-adds-controver...

Make a pledge to call at least 10 senators and talk with your friends and family about calling. Information and ZIP CODES are in the attached link: http://www.rightlyconservative.com/Senators.php

Overview of the Dream Act. Remembering, it's about Amnesty for Illegals who could apply for an Education VISA.

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/schip.pdf?docID=1661



Well, I guess it's about how people prioritize their prejudices.
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The Dream Act is a stepping stone to Amnesty for the 20,000,000+ Illegals here.

Hey, every time I see the Dream Act coming up, I post on all my forums about resisting it.

Illegal is Illegal.

Why hate on US Citizens and Legal Immigrants in support of Illegals?

As far as Abortion in the Bill, start a thread on it? Simple.

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Thu 09/16/10 02:38 PM
Edited by Redykeulous on Thu 09/16/10 02:41 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,


That is a difficult position to assume for many reasons.

First, if we take a good look around at all the laws in this country whose only funtion is to protect the 'human rights' of children, we have to come to at least two conclusions. One conclusion is that the people in this country value humans to the point of protecting human rights in its laws. The next conclusion would be that we value children as individual humans whose rights are not only inherant, but deserve greater legal protections because of their immaturity.

The statment "immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," is completely out of sync with the value we place on human rights and the idea that children are humans and individuals, not only with every right of any other humans, but with rights of protection according to their level of capability and maturity.

Secondly, in this country, rarely are parent held responsible for the laws thier children break, and when those reach the age of majority, there is only the adult child who will suffer the consequesnces of self-action.

So the statment ""immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," makes children responsible for the actions of their parents, even into their adulthood.

If an obvious error of logic is not noticed after one considers those examples, then blinding prejudice may be the reason.

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Thu 09/16/10 02:43 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/16/10 02:44 PM


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,


That is a difficult position to assume for many reasons.

First, if we take a good look around at all the laws in this country whose only funtion is to protect the 'human rights' of children, we have to come to at least two conclusions. One conclusion is that the people in this country value humans to the point of protecting human rights in its laws. The next conclusion would be that we value children as individual humans whose rights are not only inherant, but deserve greater legal protections because of their immaturity.

The statment "immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," is completely out of sync with the value we place on human rights and the idea that children are humans and individuals, not only with every right of any other humans, but with rights of protection according to their level of capability and maturity.

Secondly, in this country, rarely are parent held responsible for the laws thier children break, and when those reach the age of majority, there is only the adult child who will suffer the consequesnces of self-action.

So the statment ""immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," makes children responsible for the actions of their parents, even into their adulthood.

If an obvious error of logic is not noticed after one considers those examples, then blinding prejudice may be the reason.


actually, it is not blinding prejudice to recognize the DIRECT responsibility of PARENTS to protect their children(even before the community) and not place them in harms way either legally or physically

If I commit grand larceny and am caught, I am responsible for my children having to loose their home and go into foster care,,,,and I can hardly gripe or be 'mad' at the government for not giving them the same kind of 'protection' that I , as a parent, should have been concerned with before deciding to break the law

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Thu 09/16/10 02:44 PM


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act

http://dreamact.info/



immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,,


That is a difficult position to assume for many reasons.

First, if we take a good look around at all the laws in this country whose only funtion is to protect the 'human rights' of children, we have to come to at least two conclusions. One conclusion is that the people in this country value humans to the point of protecting human rights in its laws. The next conclusion would be that we value children as individual humans whose rights are not only inherant, but deserve greater protection because of their immaturity.

The statment "immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," is completely out of sync with the value we place on human rights and the idea that children are humans and individuals, not only with every right of any other humans, but with rights of protection according to their level of capability and maturity.

Secondly, in this country, rarely are parent held responsible for the laws thier children break, and when those reach the age of majority, there is only the adult child who will suffer the consequesnces of self-action.

So the statment ""immigrate LEGALLY and dont place children in the position to suffer for your choice to break the law,,," makes children responsible for the actions of their parents, even into their adulthood.

If an obvious error of logic is not noticed after one considers those examples, then blinding prejudice may be the reason.
quit sidestepping, they are breaking the law, and you know it..
it is not about human rights, it's about coming into our country illegally...they break the law and then get special treatment for it.
then people like you stand up for them and coddle them to encourage more illegals to come over...they no more right to be here than we have to be in their country...

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Thu 09/16/10 02:49 PM
All children are human...yes lady they are. Do you think that we are obligated to work for the benefits of illegal aliens? They can make it in their own country until they can enter legally. it is wrong to reward them amnesty for breaking the law and mooching off out governemet. We have enough sorry native moochers to deal with already. Please quit trying to guilt the rest of us into feeling sorry for these people that come here and enjoy more perks than hard workers like me. Go work hard for a living and give your own money and resources away. Leave the rest of us alone. U are the minority on theis issue.

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Thu 09/16/10 02:52 PM

All children are human...yes lady they are. Do you think that we are obligated to work for the benefits of illegal aliens? They can make it in their own country until they can enter legally. it is wrong to reward them amnesty for breaking the law and mooching off out governemet. We have enough sorry native moochers to deal with already. Please quit trying to guilt the rest of us into feeling sorry for these people that come here and enjoy more perks than hard workers like me. Go work hard for a living and give your own money and resources away. Leave the rest of us alone. U are the minority on theis issue.


drinker drinker drinker
buy this guy 3 drinks

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Thu 09/16/10 02:53 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/16/10 02:56 PM

All children are human...yes lady they are. Do you think that we are obligated to work for the benefits of illegal aliens? They can make it in their own country until they can enter legally. it is wrong to reward them amnesty for breaking the law and mooching off out governemet. We have enough sorry native moochers to deal with already. Please quit trying to guilt the rest of us into feeling sorry for these people that come here and enjoy more perks than hard workers like me. Go work hard for a living and give your own money and resources away. Leave the rest of us alone. U are the minority on theis issue.


we all have equal right to have opinions here,, whether we agree or not,,,


its not even about whether people are hardworking, there are plenty of fat cats in the states who didnt earn money working 'hard' by any standard,,,, its just about following the laws,,

if you break them you, and often your family, suffer,,,otherwise EVERYONE could play their children as a sympathy card when they get busted breaking a law


nope, dont break the law,, and they wont be in that situation to begin with,,,if they wind up in a fix because of YOUR CHOICES,

be mad at YOURSELF for making a poor choice which leads to real consequences instead of being mad at those who implement such consequences,,

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Thu 09/16/10 02:55 PM

All children are human...yes lady they are. Do you think that we are obligated to work for the benefits of illegal aliens? They can make it in their own country until they can enter legally. it is wrong to reward them amnesty for breaking the law and mooching off out governemet. We have enough sorry native moochers to deal with already. Please quit trying to guilt the rest of us into feeling sorry for these people that come here and enjoy more perks than hard workers like me. Go work hard for a living and give your own money and resources away. Leave the rest of us alone. U are the minority on theis issue.
drinker
I don't feel one iota of guilt.

Neither do the Illegal parents who have put those kids at risk.

Reid just wants the Mexican vote.

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Thu 09/16/10 02:58 PM


All children are human...yes lady they are. Do you think that we are obligated to work for the benefits of illegal aliens? They can make it in their own country until they can enter legally. it is wrong to reward them amnesty for breaking the law and mooching off out governemet. We have enough sorry native moochers to deal with already. Please quit trying to guilt the rest of us into feeling sorry for these people that come here and enjoy more perks than hard workers like me. Go work hard for a living and give your own money and resources away. Leave the rest of us alone. U are the minority on theis issue.


we all have equal right to have opinions here,, whether we agree or not,,,


its not even about whether people are hardworking, there are plenty of fat cats in the states who didnt earn money working 'hard' by any standard,,,, its just about following the laws,,

if you break them you, and often your family, suffer,,,otherwise EVERYONE could play their children as a sympathy card when they get busted breaking a law


nope, dont break the law,, and they wont be in that situation to begin with,,,if they wind up in a fix because of YOUR CHOICES,

be mad at YOURSELF for making a poor choice which leads to real consequences instead of being mad at those who implement such consequences,,


thats the bottom line....

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Thu 09/16/10 03:02 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/16/10 03:03 PM
on second thought, lets have a statute like with other crimes

if you have managed for ten years to reside without getting caught,,,you should be permitted to go back to your HOME(wherever you were before breaking the law) without penalty and apply without penalty for citizenship BEHIND all those who chose to follow the law from jump,,,

children are resilient, they can make anyplace a home so long as they are loved,,,

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Thu 09/16/10 03:05 PM

what an AGIST peice of legislation,,,,why cant my sixty year old ex sneak into the states and request government assisted education on his way to becoming LEGAL?


If he can get into Mexico and cross the border with others and then if the DREAM ACT passes, all he will have to do is prove long term residency with something valid like elementary school records from the state in which he attended elementary school.

- just being stilly. I am sorry for the position you've been placed in. I am just one person, but I am one person among many who are actively persuing avenues of change in our current immigration policies so that family members can be more readily united.

Sometimes we have to persue a course of action that is not completely in tune with other values we hold - at that point it becomes a matter of individual priority.

While not my only perspective on the matter or when I advocate for immigration reform, I still often site the fact that homosexuals are totally denied immigration privileges that heterosexuals have, for no other reason than they are not allowed to be married and benefit from current immigration law (even though it is less than adequate in its current condition.)

So as long as I advocate for immigration reform anyway, I include all the issues - even the homosexual point of view. If they can't marry and reap the benefits that exist under marriage laws, then there's no reason NOT to include homosexuals as new laws are reformed.

It would be my pleasure to see a happy reunion for you with your loved one. I'll keep working on it.

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Thu 09/16/10 03:10 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 09/16/10 03:26 PM
thank you

my husband can also not come under the same requirement that someone with more income can simply because he doesnt have adequate income,,,,there are many types of visas and I dont quite agree that each type has to apply to EVERY persons situation,,,

homosexuals cant obtain a marriage visa but there are plenty others they can obtain,,,,and technically they could marry to enter the states and then divorce so even that is not an issue,,,that their preference doesnt meet the regulations is not, in my eyes, an issue of inequality

I believe the immigration laws are fairly written and I understand their guidelines, I just feel they should be applied EQUALLY

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