Do you have a diffucult time approaching a independant women with a
strong personality? Do you prefer women who are not independant and who
has a laid back personality?

Accually speaking for myself, I am sick of women that dont want to work
and think the right man for them is one that can support them and they
can do whatever they want while the man bust his @ss to provide and come
home to a ****hy woman that complains they never spend time together. If
you dont want to work fine but realize that a life without working is a
boring life. If you both work then by arranging the schedules correctly
it can be a very happy life.

independant woman is a lot better than it shows they are strong minded

idc as long as they wanna fuck

What is independent... will she pay for dinner? The Movie?
Or is she simply a chick with a harsh attitude?

You bet I would pay for dinner or the movies why not? I am just saying
how would a man feel about a women who can make her own decissions, pay
her own bills, works and makes a living with out needing a man. Some men
need the women to reley on them and that isnt me. As far as a strong
personality she has her own opinions and can stand up for herself.
A women who doesnt need to call or see her boyfriend everyday.

The only problem that I have with that, atleast with the women that I
end up dating, they say that but when things get serious they quit their
job and end up being a bum around the house. You only get to see them in
their sweats and an old t-shirt. But when they go out with their friends
you get to see them walk out the door wearing things you bought for
them. If you are indeed a woman that holds their own, then I applaud
you. I can only find women that seem to think (if they do work) that
their money is theirs and my money is theirs.

Let me clarify the ending of my last post. If the two that are in a
relationship together are both working there is no "my" money or atleast
should'nt be. It can only be "our" money. Money in relationships should
not be a matter of "mine" or "ours" unless you are not living together.

I have learned to take care of myself and I will never change that as
there is no way in hell I will ever every rely on a man again. I am not
saying there can not be a partnership but I think they still need to be
their own individuals.

Huh... when I said pay for dinner... I meant at the type of restaurant
that has a table cloth and real plates.

Sry, I am a bit bitter. My ex would talk about all these things she
wanted to do. She always talked about wanting to go to work but was
unwilling to start at the bottom. She wanted a top knotch job right from
the get go. She would also talk about going back to school and it wasnt
until I brought her there and basicly make her sign the papers that she
accually did it. Never-the-less I ended up supporting her for 3 yrs and
she would do nothing but complain that we never did anything. Now I have
a decent job and have always been a "worker", but she decided to move on
to a "biker" loser that can barely support himself. I dont get it. I
think when a woman finds what I define as a "Real Man" they get scared
and try to find faults in him to justify trying to find someone better.

Sometimes women will leave the relationship like that as they lost all
the control so they move on to someone elce who is a losser to they can
gain the control back or at lease try to as you dont have any control
over anyone but yourself, It is going to be a long road for those women.
Yes you sound bitter but time to move on and realize there are decent
people out there if you take the time to get to know them, People open
their hearts up way to fast and that is how they get burned. Take the
time to build a friendship so it can turn into a relationship, All the
signs are there that it is going down hill, it is just people dont let
themselves see them and when they do they try and change that person to
fit their mold when it fact it isnt our place to change anyone, if it
isnt working leave as it is not going to change.

Build a Relationship? This is very difficult... are there any other
options

You bet, we all have options on what we want in life, Some people just
want fuck buddies and thats ok if everyone is on the same page, Some
people want relationships also. It is all about people being open and
honest with themselves and with the other person. I have a fuck buddy
and him and I laid it out on the table the expectations so no one would
get hurt or fall into something the other person did not want.
I am open to companionship and dating with other people as I think I am
ready to start meeting new people.

Yeah, but fuck buddys sometimes fall in love.
I,m a hot guy, and this tends to happen.
What do you do when it happens.

I keep a open line of communication, I usually pick my fuck buddies that
I know there is not a option to fall in love with. the one I am seeing
now and have been for almost a year, there is no option for me to fall
in love with him as he is not what I am looking for in a relationship,
He is the best lover I have ever had but doesnt have the qualities I
want in a relationship.

Yeah... thats usually how it works.

Actually, ShagnaC, I'm equally comfortable with both types of women
around me. I find as I get a bit older though (47) that I like the
independent type more and more. That way if we have common likes and
interests we can have a great time together when our schedules allow
without having to worry about who's spending what for new dishes or any
thing else. I take care of myself, she takes care of herself, we have
fun together. What could be better than that.
TechDad58

Never had a fuck buddy though... don't know how I'd handle that. I've
always had sex complicate otherwise good relationships with women. I'm
more comfortable just waiting it out alone. I find I like to talk to
folks though... that I like more than... uh well, ok, not more than sex,
but I like to talk.
TechDad58

i have to say i find independence and confidence to be a big plus cause
im a pretty stubborn strong willed person myself