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Except that outside of the U.S. many of these countries which are harboring or fostering Islamic militants are theocracies or Muslim nations where one cannot practice Judaism or Christianity or other religions openly for fear of bigotry and violence. From my point of view, the problem is theocracy, not Islam. I fear Christian theocracies about as much as I fear Islamic theocracies. I love both Muslims and Christians who can live peacefully in a mostly secular society. I agree with this. Whenever you have group of people who through the doctrines of their religion feel superior and are told they need to convert the world to save it. It is dangerous. |
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Hatred is so ugly. I am saddened each time I come to this thread. The man in the article wants the hatred to stop and he lost in 9/ll. yea, well... there is 10,000 more that lost there too that have more hatred than anything you've seen in here.... |
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Hatred is not a problem if one learns to embrace it. Just ask any Muslim, they are taught from infancy to emrace hatred and to practice it in their daily lives.
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Hatred is not a problem if one learns to embrace it. Just ask any Muslim, they are taught from infancy to emrace hatred and to practice it in their daily lives. the peace loving muslims? ask daniel pearl if they hate... |
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Hatred is so ugly. I am saddened each time I come to this thread. The man in the article wants the hatred to stop and he lost in 9/ll. yea, well... there is 10,000 more that lost there too that have more hatred than anything you've seen in here.... Not accurate. |
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Hatred is so ugly. I am saddened each time I come to this thread. The man in the article wants the hatred to stop and he lost in 9/ll. yea, well... there is 10,000 more that lost there too that have more hatred than anything you've seen in here.... Not accurate. prove it |
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So because the radical extremists of one religion are guilty of hatred, that makes a person want to be like them?
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So because the radical extremists of one religion are guilty of hatred, that makes a person want to be like them?
their hate for me is unfounded, so yes... |
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It makes a Muslim person want to be like them.
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Hatred is so ugly. I am saddened each time I come to this thread. The man in the article wants the hatred to stop and he lost in 9/ll. yea, well... there is 10,000 more that lost there too that have more hatred than anything you've seen in here.... Not accurate. prove it 9/11 Families Rally in Support of Community Center August 25, 2010 NEW YORK CITY, N.Y.--Some family members of 9/11 victims showed support Wednesday for a controversial Islamic Center and Mosque proposed near Ground Zero. The rally was organized by a coalition of civic and religious groups. The coalition plans a candlelight vigil near Ground Zero on the eve of the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Talat Hamdani, who attended the rally, lost her son in the attacks. "To me, it is denying my right as an American citizen and to say that on the grounds on sensitivity, it's too close to Ground Zero. What about my sensitivity? I lost my son," Hamdani said. _____________________________________ Families Of 9/11 Victims Rally In Support Of Community Center Wednesday, August 25, 2010 at 2:53 PM by GottaLaff 1 Comment and 0 Reactions Let’s see now… who would be the biggest proponents of Freedom of Religion? Ooo! Ooo! I know! Pick me!! Patriots (real ones, not fake ones)! The planned mosque and Islamic center blocks from ground zero got a new boost Wednesday from a coalition of supporters that includes families of Sept. 11 victims. New York Neighbors for American Values rallied for the first time at a municipal building near ground zero. “I lost a 23-year-old son, a paramedic who gave his life saving Americans and their values,” Talat Hamdani said, and supporting the Islamic center and mosque “has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with standing up for our human rights, including freedom of religion.” Among the nearly 2,800 people killed when the World Trade Center was attacked in 2001 were more than 30 Muslims, she noted. Dingdingding! Right answer! Imagine that. September 11 victims are “real Americans”, and those lumping all Muslims in with a handful of terrorists… aren’t. But hey, all those minarets and Muslimy adornments and exclusivity can only serve to alienate and discriminate against those who wish to participate, right? Several coalition members noted that the mosque site’s developer, Sharif el-Gamal, modeled it after the Jewish Community Center on Manhattan’s Upper West Side. It serves anyone who wishes to participate, they said, and so will the Muslim center near ground zero. ____________________________________________________ 9/11 Families Who Support Park51 Community Center By: Charles Johnson • US News • Aug 5, 2010 at 9:57 am PDT It’s time for the Bigot Brigade to stop claiming they speak for all the 9/11 families when they rant against the “Ground Zero mosque” (which is neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero), because there are victim’s families who see clearly that the opposition to Park51 is driven by sheer prejudice: 9/11 Victims’ Families Have Mixed Reactions to Ground Zero Muslim Center. Herb Ouida, whose son Todd died in the attacks, says he supports the Cordoba Initiative’s project. “To call it a mosque is not right. It’s a community center that includes a prayer center,” Ouida told AOL News today. The 68-year-old father from River Edge, N.J., says he is deeply concerned about the tone of some of the opposition to the project. “What we are doing [when we oppose the community center] is we are saying to the world that we are at war with Islam. And we can’t be. I want my grandchildren to live in a better world,” he said. “To say that we’re going to condemn a religion and castigate a billion people in the world because they’re Muslims, to say that they shouldn’t have the ability to pray near the World Trade Center — I don’t think that’s going to bring people together and cross the divide.” […] On 9/11, Marvin Bethea rushed to the World Trade Center to try to save lives, and has had trouble breathing ever since. The former Emergency Medical Services worker says he had to retire in 2004 when the breathing problems he acquired from toxic materials at the site made it too hard for him to work. But Bethea said he supports the Islamic center anyway. “Even though my life has changed, I don’t hate the Muslims,” Bethea, 50, said. “Especially being a black man, I know what it’s like to be discriminated against. I’ve lived with that.” Bethea believes racism is stoking the controversy. “I understand the families are hurt and lost,” he said. But “how do you sit here and condemn all Muslims as being terrorists?” he said. “That’s just bigotry and hatred. We’re a better nation than that. The diversity that we have, this is what New York is about. But we have such prejudices, some of us. We have a long way to go.” There are also some quotes from people who’ve given in to the fear-mongering and blind hatred, but you already know what they have to say so I won’t bother quoting them. There are alot more articles to show support for the center. |
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So because the radical extremists of one religion are guilty of hatred, that makes a person want to be like them?
their hate for me is unfounded, so yes...
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"I don't understand all of this hate," Ielpi, 66, told AOL News. "I'm not sure where these things come from. What's it going to do except promote hate?"
Simple. The radicals in USA crawled out from under the rock they have been hiding, learned how to use the internet, now they are ripping apart the entire USA with their BS. |
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Edited by
Atlantis75
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Tue 09/14/10 10:17 PM
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double.
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Hatred is so ugly. I am saddened each time I come to this thread. The man in the article wants the hatred to stop and he lost in 9/ll. yea, well... there is 10,000 more that lost there too that have more hatred than anything you've seen in here.... Not accurate. prove it 9/11 Families Rally in Support of Community Center August 25, 2010 NEW YORK CITY, N.Y.--Some family members of 9/11 victims showed support Wednesday for a controversial Islamic Center and Mosque proposed near Ground Zero. The rally was organized by a coalition of civic and religious groups. The coalition plans a candlelight vigil near Ground Zero on the eve of the ninth anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Talat Hamdani, who attended the rally, lost her son in the attacks. "To me, it is denying my right as an American citizen and to say that on the grounds on sensitivity, it's too close to Ground Zero. What about my sensitivity? I lost my son," Hamdani said. _____________________________________ Families Of 9/11 Victims Rally In Support Of Community Center Wednesday, August 25, 2010 at 2:53 PM by GottaLaff 1 Comment and 0 Reactions Let’s see now… who would be the biggest proponents of Freedom of Religion? Ooo! Ooo! I know! Pick me!! Patriots (real ones, not fake ones)! The planned mosque and Islamic center blocks from ground zero got a new boost Wednesday from a coalition of supporters that includes families of Sept. 11 victims. New York Neighbors for American Values rallied for the first time at a municipal building near ground zero. “I lost a 23-year-old son, a paramedic who gave his life saving Americans and their values,” Talat Hamdani said, and supporting the Islamic center and mosque “has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with standing up for our human rights, including freedom of religion.” Among the nearly 2,800 people killed when the World Trade Center was attacked in 2001 were more than 30 Muslims, she noted. Dingdingding! Right answer! Imagine that. September 11 victims are “real Americans”, and those lumping all Muslims in with a handful of terrorists… aren’t. But hey, all those minarets and Muslimy adornments and exclusivity can only serve to alienate and discriminate against those who wish to participate, right? Several coalition members noted that the mosque site’s developer, Sharif el-Gamal, modeled it after the Jewish Community Center on Manhattan’s Upper West Side. It serves anyone who wishes to participate, they said, and so will the Muslim center near ground zero. ____________________________________________________ 9/11 Families Who Support Park51 Community Center By: Charles Johnson • US News • Aug 5, 2010 at 9:57 am PDT It’s time for the Bigot Brigade to stop claiming they speak for all the 9/11 families when they rant against the “Ground Zero mosque” (which is neither a mosque nor at Ground Zero), because there are victim’s families who see clearly that the opposition to Park51 is driven by sheer prejudice: 9/11 Victims’ Families Have Mixed Reactions to Ground Zero Muslim Center. Herb Ouida, whose son Todd died in the attacks, says he supports the Cordoba Initiative’s project. “To call it a mosque is not right. It’s a community center that includes a prayer center,” Ouida told AOL News today. The 68-year-old father from River Edge, N.J., says he is deeply concerned about the tone of some of the opposition to the project. “What we are doing [when we oppose the community center] is we are saying to the world that we are at war with Islam. And we can’t be. I want my grandchildren to live in a better world,” he said. “To say that we’re going to condemn a religion and castigate a billion people in the world because they’re Muslims, to say that they shouldn’t have the ability to pray near the World Trade Center — I don’t think that’s going to bring people together and cross the divide.” […] On 9/11, Marvin Bethea rushed to the World Trade Center to try to save lives, and has had trouble breathing ever since. The former Emergency Medical Services worker says he had to retire in 2004 when the breathing problems he acquired from toxic materials at the site made it too hard for him to work. But Bethea said he supports the Islamic center anyway. “Even though my life has changed, I don’t hate the Muslims,” Bethea, 50, said. “Especially being a black man, I know what it’s like to be discriminated against. I’ve lived with that.” Bethea believes racism is stoking the controversy. “I understand the families are hurt and lost,” he said. But “how do you sit here and condemn all Muslims as being terrorists?” he said. “That’s just bigotry and hatred. We’re a better nation than that. The diversity that we have, this is what New York is about. But we have such prejudices, some of us. We have a long way to go.” There are also some quotes from people who’ve given in to the fear-mongering and blind hatred, but you already know what they have to say so I won’t bother quoting them. There are alot more articles to show support for the center. |
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Today a muslim woman sat next to me on the light-rail, with her head all wrapped up. As I spoke to her I was saddened that so many have hostility towards individual people simply because of their religious affiliation. life is rough all over, huh... maybe if she made some kind of effort to our way of life, instead of trying change it to their way of life...i'm glad france outlawed that sillyness, i hope we are next in line... So you assume that, since she is muslim, she has made no effort to our way of life? Oh, I see. A person from a non-christian religion has to abandon the trappings of their religion, otherwise they are not adapting to our culture? You said "maybe if she is making some kind of effort to our way of life" - you measure this by her clothing? If she isn't wearing clothes like us, then you can conclude she has done nothing to adapt to our way of ife? If she is learning our language, going to one of our universities, watching our news programs, reading our popular literature, working for one of our businesses, gossiping with her american friends about something she saw on american television - then she is doing something to adapt to our culture. It would be scary if one's headgear was the measure of something like this. Confidence in one's ability to measure another so thoroughly based simply on headgear sounds like a foundation for bigotry to me. |
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Edited by
s1owhand
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Wed 09/15/10 06:56 PM
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fortunately no one blames all Muslims for the actions of the specific organized Islamic terrorists who are involved in a large number of war crimes killing innocent people in the name of Islam around the globe - since that would be idiotic. If that were true there wouldn't be a protest to a mosque. So it can't be true. There are many reasons to protest a specific mosque besides blaming Muslims in general for 9/11. For instance, the one which is being referred to as the ground zero mosque. People protest it because they find it distasteful to have a large Islamic center erected in the shadow of the site of a coordinated Islamic terrorist attack which killed thousands in the name of propagating Islam. No one blames anyone but the terrorists. But many still find the idea of having a large multistory Islamic center erected adjacent to the site to be in poor taste. If instead, a group of Christian terrorists blew up a block of buildings killing thousands in Saudi Arabia destroying a large Saudi building complex and then some other Christians totally unaffiliated with the terrorists proposed building a multistory Christian center near the site of the massacre...it might be seen as distasteful as well. |
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fortunately no one blames all Muslims for the actions of the specific organized Islamic terrorists who are involved in a large number of war crimes killing innocent people in the name of Islam around the globe - since that would be idiotic. If that were true there wouldn't be a protest to a mosque. So it can't be true. There are many reasons to protest a specific mosque besides blaming Muslims in general for 9/11. For instance, the one which is being referred to as the ground zero mosque. People protest it because they find it distasteful to have a large Islamic center erected in the shadow of the site of a coordinated Islamic terrorist attack which killed thousands in the name of propagating Islam. No one blames anyone but the terrorists. But many still find the idea of having a large multistory Islamic center erected adjacent to the site to be in poor taste. If instead, a group of Christian terrorists blew up a block of buildings killing thousands in Saudi Arabia destroying a large Saudi building complex and then some other Christians totally unaffiliated with the terrorists proposed building a multistory Christian center near the site of the massacre...it might be seen as distasteful as well. but didnt we destroy the hell out of iraq and then 'rebuild' it? |
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fortunately no one blames all Muslims for the actions of the specific organized Islamic terrorists who are involved in a large number of war crimes killing innocent people in the name of Islam around the globe - since that would be idiotic. If that were true there wouldn't be a protest to a mosque. So it can't be true. There are many reasons to protest a specific mosque besides blaming Muslims in general for 9/11. For instance, the one which is being referred to as the ground zero mosque. People protest it because they find it distasteful to have a large Islamic center erected in the shadow of the site of a coordinated Islamic terrorist attack which killed thousands in the name of propagating Islam. No one blames anyone but the terrorists. But many still find the idea of having a large multistory Islamic center erected adjacent to the site to be in poor taste. If instead, a group of Christian terrorists blew up a block of buildings killing thousands in Saudi Arabia destroying a large Saudi building complex and then some other Christians totally unaffiliated with the terrorists proposed building a multistory Christian center near the site of the massacre...it might be seen as distasteful as well. You can candy coat it as much as you like but it is still punishing Muslims for 9/11. |
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Edited by
Redykeulous
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Wed 09/15/10 07:37 PM
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Where are the so-called "peaceful" Muslims?? Well, it seems there are about 8 million in North America alone. Probably many more since thiese statistics are from about 2000-2001. There are several independent estimates that by 2014 there will be approximately 16 million. The fact that you don't they're here must mean they are pretty peaceful. They even help support our needy. Some time check out the sceneray, there is probably a Masque near you, as more recent estimates figure at least 2,000 of them in N.America. Most of the statistics included here are from 2000-2001 http://www.allied-media.com/AM/ Demographic Facts • Mosques in the United States: 1,209 • American Muslims associated with a mosque: 2 million • Increase in number of mosques since 1994: 25 percent • Proportion of mosques founded since 1980: 62 percent • Average number of Muslims associated with each mosque in the United States: 1,625 • U.S. mosque participants who are converts: 30 percent • American Muslims who "strongly agree" that they should participate in American institutions and the political process: 70 percent • U.S. mosques attended by a single ethnic group: 7 percent • U.S. mosques that have some Asian, African-American, and Arab members: nearly 90 percent • Ethnic origins of regular participants in U.S. mosques: South Asian (Pakistani, Indian, Bangladeshi, Afghani) = 33 percent African-America = 30 percent Arab = 25 percent Sub-Saharan African = 3.4 percent European (Bosnian, Tartar, Kosovar, etc.) = 2.1 percent White American = 1.6 percent Southeast Asian ( Malaysian, Indonesian, Filipino) = 1.3 percent Caribbean = 1.2 percent Turkish = 1.1 percent Iranian = 0.7 percent Hispanic/Latino = 0.6 percent • U.S. mosques that feel they strictly follow the Koran and Sunnah: more than 90 percent • U.S. mosques that feel the Koran should be interpreted with consideration of its purposes and modern circumstances: 71 percent • U.S. mosques that provide some assistance to the needy: nearly 70 percent • U.S. mosques with a full-time school: more than 20 percent The information above was drawn from the "Mosque in America: A National Portrait," a survey released in April 2001. It is part of larger study of American congregations called "Faith Communities Today," coordinated by Hartford Seminary's Hartford Institute for Religious Research in Connecticut. Muslim organizations cosponsoring the survey are the Council on American-Islamic Relations, the Islamic Society of North America, the Ministry of Imam W. Deen Muhammed, and the Islamic Circle of North America. Market Analysis of American Muslims • A sizable market with 8 million people • 2.3 million households in North America • Growing at 6% annual growth rate. • Will double to 16 million by 2014. • Bigger than Norway, Finland, Denmark or Sweden. • Growth Factors: birth rates, conversions & immigration. • A younger, well-educated and affluent target market. • 25% larger family size than U.S. average. • Survey design and analysis by Cornell University • Research sponsored by BridgesTV • Survey sent to 5,000 random recipients • Industry average: 3% to 5% response rate • Cornell University study: 15% response rate • Is high response rate proxy for high demand for TV • The study has heavier Immigrant Muslim bias. • Survey conducted in April 2002 Source: Cornell University April 2002 American Muslims are Younger • 67% of adult American Muslims are under 40 years old • 67% of the adult American population is over 40 years old3 • American Muslims are younger and future of America: American Muslims are Well-Educated • 67% of American Muslims have a Bachelor's degree or higher • 44% of Americans have a Bachelor’s degree or higher3 • The Variance for Advanced Degrees is even greater. • One in ten American Muslim HH has a physician/medical doctor American Muslims are Affluent • U.S. Average income is $42,158 per year (U.S. Census 2000) • 66% of American Muslim HH's earn over $50,000 / year • 26% of American Muslim HH's earn over $100,000 / year • Annual Household Income range for American Muslims: Source: Cornell University April 2002 Top 10 Occupations of American Muslims Rank Occupation Percent 1 Student 20.2% 2 Engineer 12.4% 3 Physician/Dentist 10.8% 4 Homemaker 10.0% 5 Programmer 7.0% 6 Corporate Manager 6.4% 7 Teacher 6.4% 8 Small Business Owner 4.4% 9 Researcher 4.1% 10 Admin. Assistant 2.8% Total 84.5% Source: Cornell University April 2002 |
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Seems they live in the US huh?
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