psalm27:1 The Lord is my light and my salvation whom shall i fear? The
lord is the stronghold of my life and whom shall i be afraid?

DKW - I like your thought process. I was thinking similarly, for
example. There is a lot of data (scientific) for those who would care
to take it into consideration, that many of the great catastrophe's
foretold in the Bible were often confined to regions, most specifically,
those regions most concerned with the population at the time.

While there seems to be evidence of a great flood throughout most of the
world, date wise these do not always seem consistent as far as the age
of the earth versus age of religion. Consistency is also lacking as
this flood seems NOT to have covered the world but more likely has roots
in a melting ice age, which also lends credence to the slight age
difference between layers of flood fossils throughout the world.

The parting of the red sea, which is speculated to have been a body of
water OTHER than the red sea, has also been associated with volcanic
action.

A nuclear strike is not the only possibility when considering the
desolation of a land mass, however it's at this point that I would like
to make a point.

It seems that much of the destruction prophecy that is linked with
actual events has basis in nature. In other words, whenever a site
'considered' or 'thought' to be a site laid waste as prophosied,
evidence is discovered, there has always been some scientific
explanation of the 'natural' events that could have, would have caused
the destruction.

I question this as I could never understand why God with all it's
powers, would use nature to produce an affect. Would it not be the
greatest testament of all to discover these sight and see destruction,
to validate a flood all seemingly with no natural cause.

In fact another wonder pertains to the greatest Bible story of all,
Moses. A lack of written documentation of the time pointing to the
person Moses, the information we now have that makes so much of the
slavery and oppression somewhat obsolete, and the fact that for 40 years
of wondering in the dessert, which provides a natural enviornment to
preserve, by a mass of thousands, has yielded not one shred of evidence
of such a journey.

Again, I see an inability on the part of a great communicator, to get
It's point across.

Nuclear is man made, the decision to use it is man's, to align those
processes with destruction at God's hands makes even less sense than the
force of nature or natural occurrances in the hand of any god whose
intention is to be acknowledged.

Abomination of Desolation is speaking of spiritual desolation, not
physical. As I have already pointed out, Jerusalem will still be a
thriving city following the abomination of desolation. It's not really
up for debate, there has already been one abomination of desolation, so
we know what the second Abomination of Desolation will be. It's not a
volcano, meteor, Nuclear bomb, or any other natural or manmade disaster,
it's spiritual destruction.

I'm done with this thread, good luck all in your studies of the word.

Spider, I think there may well be a combo of the spiritual aspect you're
describing and the natural occurring at the same time.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pompeii.htm

The Destruction of Pompeii, 79 AD

There is a description written by Pliny the Younger of what it was like
during this eruption. This was an interesting read given the
differences in language based on knowledge of the natural world then
versus now. It's quite similar sounding to biblical descriptions given
in a variety of sections of the book. Pliny the Elder and his response
is also talked about. He was a naturalist, which I also found
interesting.

A few more thoughts by the way. There is a study going on to see how
earthquakes may effect/affect volcanic activity. How many oil wells are
in the vicinity of volcanoes and earth quake regions? My thoughts
here are wonderin' these all are deep/core earth style things would
they/could they interact/react to each other in a natural and man
induced (oil well) combo to be a massive destruction. I'm think'in that
would be pretty devastating land and people-wise, yet not unable to
eventually balance itself back out.

Numbers 31:1-18:

"...And they warred against the Midianites, as the Lord commanded Moses,
and they slew all the [adult] males. And the children of Israel took all
the women of Midian captives, and their little ones...And they brought
the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses...And Moses was
angry with the officers of the host And Moses said unto them, Have ye
saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel,
through the counsel of Ba'laam, to commit trespass against the Lord in
the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the
Lord. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the female
children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for
yourselves."


Just one of many passages about genocide in that book. What's going to
happen once more of God's Children get N-Power?



-Kerry O.

Will the True Abomination PLEASE STAND UP!!!!.... Miles

Is there a prize involved, Miles?

Isn't thier always... Miles

Good point, but I'm thinkin' I reaaallly don't want the prize for that
role......

'Abomination of Desolation is speaking of spiritual desolation, not
physical.'

Funny, I don't remember reading anywhere that it states 'this is a
spiritual not physical thing'.

If the commandments are not being upheld but disregarded, if a human being declares himself a God and the masses are following this "self-proclaimed God" rather than the true God and his word, if this self-proclaimed God lies and changes the meaning of the word of God to suit his own need of having the people believe in and follow him would this not create an abdomination of faith in the word of God, thus creating spiritual desolation in that the people turn away from the true word. Is that not what was happening with the masses of humanity in the past when God let loose and destroyed communities in the past? What would be the difference between a false human God versus a golden calf - neither one have the ability to deliver the true word.

Differentkindofwench,

The first abomination of desolation was when Antiochus Epiphanies built an altar to Zeus in the Temple in Jerusalem and then sacrificed a pig to Zeus on the altar of God. His name means "god made manifest", so he was proclaiming himself to be a god of sorts. We are told that the antichrist will declare himself to be god while standing in the temple. This is the abomination of desolation aka the abomination that makes desolation. His actions will be abominable to God and lead to the spiritual desolation of billions of people.

Spider, having a moment here, so bear with me, please. Isn't that what I said without naming names and in a babbling sort of way?

DKW

I am glad to see some thinking going on.

Spider did I read wrong "you are the temple" made without hands. now tell me give me scripture to debunk Yahshua's words? Better listen to DKW. The word is in the mind..... Miles

Milesoftheusa,

Matthew 24:15
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So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,' spoken of through the prophet Daniel - let the reader understand
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Daniel 9:27
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He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing [of the temple] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him
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Obviously the physical Temple is being discussed, how can a man stand inside of another man? How many winged men have you seen? Many Jews are working to rebuild the temple today. Most of the materials and artifacts have already been created and gather, they are waiting in warehouses today. I know that the saved persons body is the Temple of the Lord, but someone who is truely saved can't be taken from God, Jesus taught that. So that can't be what is being discussed. Sometimes when Jesus said "Temple" it meant "Temple" and not the bodies of the saints.

Differentkindofwench,

You are very close, but I was answering your question "What would be the difference between a false human God versus a golden calf - neither one have the ability to deliver the true word."

The difference is that the calf doesn't claim to be God, the calf was created by the Israelites as a symbol of God. The anti-Christ will defile God's Temple, which is the only dwelling that God has ever authorized to be built in his Name. In fact, God commanded that any altar used to sacrifice to Him should have ever been touched by a chisel or worked on by men in any way. So what the anti-Christ is going to do is going to be incredibly insulting and offensive to God, an act that has only been done once before, but this time it will be worse because he will be worshipped as god by most of the world.

Sorry I believe Yahshua confirmed a coventant with many. Not satan. Yahshua in the middle of the week broke the covenant. the Temple of man .. Weds afternoon. Spider. not good friday. The only sign he gave of who he was. At appr. 3pm our calander he gave up the spirit. 3 days later .. Saturday late most likely. He was seen and told mary not to touch him.So see the 3 1/2 days have passed as did his ministriy as Luke 4;18 says if you undestand the Quote and why he would say such a thing. So I believe our High priest is Spiritual who since penetecost has not come to earth again untill who stands up? You see satan/ Helel (oh and why is he Helel). he mocks Yahweh and His son. And you do not expect him to continue. but a physical temple it is already thier but sorry Yahweh will not let Him come into a temple yahshua did away with. believe and the truth will set u free...... blessings Miles

Miles,

I completely reject that interpretation.

Daniel 9:27
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He will confirm a covenant with many for one 'seven.' In the middle of the 'seven' he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And on a wing of the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him."
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You are saying that Jesus is the same "he" who will:
1) break a convenant (God breaking a convenant, some God, huh? Can't be trusted.)
2) Will set up an abomination that causes desolation.

I can't accept that. Jesus was spoken of in Daniel 9:26 as the annointed one, He died (was cut off) at the end of the 69th seven. Daniel 70th week hasn't come. Daniel 70th week will be the last seven years of the earth existance, because we are told "The end will come like a flood".

Thats because you still believe in a good friday impalement.

now what does this mean anyway?

Matt 12:39-42
But He answered and said to them, "An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. 41 The men of Nineveh will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, because they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and indeed a greater than Jonah is here. 42 The queen of the South will rise up in the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and indeed a greater than Solomon is here.
NKJV
Or tell me what does this mean?

Luke 4:10-19

10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.

12 And Yahshua answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt Yahweh thy Elohim.

13 And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season. (For a season.. huh)

14 And Yahshua returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.

15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.

16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. ( What Sabbath day was this?)

17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet IsaiYah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,

18 The Spirit of Yahweh is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of Yahweh.
KJV
Does all this have anything to do with your 70th week. How many land sabbaths are thier in Israel's exile?.... Blessings ... Miles