then i know not to trust what you are saying... you are just saying things to be nice, which has no meaning. your going to keep your true feelings bottled up and not speak how you really feel about things. it's a great thing to be nice, it's even better to be honest and nice.

I know you have confused pandering with political correctness.

Being politically correct means that you basically "pander" to all humans in treating them all with human respect. If someone is PC with only one group of people for a political influence that is just plain pandering.

I can be completely honest and be PC.

For example in my opinion you are misguided in your view of political correctness. You have it confused with dishonesty and that is not correct at all.

See, I did it being politically correct and completely honest.

All the political correctness did was give you a human respect instead of referring to you as less than animal or something along those lines to get my point across.

I don't see it that way. Respect is respect for all human beings.
Political correctness is "being correct for political motives"
rather than out of sincerity. Lipstick on the pig....

Having a name like political correctness, I suppose the confusion is warranted but political correctness is just giving respect to others while you speak of them. That is all it is.

Why not just call it "respect" then?!

I have not clue.

I just know from all the PC classes I had to go through that being PC is just being respectful of those we speak of no matter who we are speaking to.

From the Wiki

Political correctness (adjectivally, politically correct; both forms commonly abbreviated to PC) is a term which denotes language, ideas, policies, and behavior seen as seeking to minimize social and institutional offense in occupational, gender, racial, cultural, sexual orientation, disability, and age-related contexts. In current usage, the term is primarily pejorative,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness

(I resisted consulting the Wiki as long as could)



I was so happy they use the term pejorative!

Said the same thing as I did just in long form

Y'all are getting into this stuff way too deep!! LOL.
Being PC sux, so I simply dont do it...I dont have to, the left has'nt passed a lew yet that states I got to be nice to everybody.

IMO someone can be honest without being PC. It's using tact. You can say something without being mean or sugar coating it. That is one aspect of PC.


Another aspect is....I had a college professor once that told us he is not African American. He wasn't born in Africa nor did he have dual citizenship. He is American with African heritage. Just as I am English, Irish, German and Dutch heritage, but I'm American. American denotes my citizenship and the others denote my heritage. it would be a bit much if I said I was English, Irish, German and Dutch American.

But even using terms like ______________ American is confusing. What if I was born in Africa? Would I not then be African American?

This is where I see being PC is silly.

My aunt is Korean American. She was born and raised in Korea but moved to America when she got married to my uncle. Her kids (according to them) are American with Korean heritage.

Even someone speaking PC doesn't change the meaning behind words at times. Take the KKK. They can use PC terms, but the message is the same whether they use PC terms or derogatory terms.

An insult is an insult whether it's sugar coated or derogatory.

I would much rather have someone be upfront with me if they have something to say rather than sugar coat it.

Just my opinion

There is no sugar coating to being PC it is being respectful.

PC is not dishonest or sidestepping.

Being PC means I chose a positive terminology to refer to someone instead of a negative one.

It is just being respectful.

I see it different. IMO being PC is more sugar coating things. You can be respectful without that. EXAMPLE:

African American = PC (nothing wrong with it, but I don't think it's accurate to all)

Black = respectful/tactful (not that they are black any more than I am white)

Derogatory terms for this race = big no no for me and disrespectful and hurtful.

But again...I don't get offended if someone calls me white (even though I'm not white skinned) or if someone doesn't call my English, Irish, German, Dutch American. It's not disrespectful to me and it wouldn't be PC and that is still fine with me.

I respect only those who deserve it. The rest can go kiss themselves!! LOL

PC Korean American = Ameerasian

PC Korean American = Ameerasian

Oops Amerasian
<----------Korean German English Irish Cherokee Choctaw Seminole American now wouldn't that be a mouth full? My grandmother is From Puson and full-blooded Korean as well........ American is good enough for me.......I just do not see how PC helps anyone in this country......and yes people working in government jobs or even private industry jobs are forced to be PC or risk losing their jobs........so yes people do lie being PC

DSS Policy and Program Development Unit will inform the local INS office whenever eligibility personnel knows for sure that any member of a household is ineligible to receive food stamps because the member is present in the United States in violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act.

Caution must be exercised to ensure that the determination is not made merely on the alien's inability or unwillingness to provide documentation of alien status. When a person indicates inability or unwillingness to provide documentation of alien status, staff shall not continue efforts to obtain the documentation. That person shall be classified as an ineligible alien. Staff will obtain only the documents necessary to provide information on the income and resources of the ineligible alien to be made available to the remaining members of the household.

This regulation does not permit the reporting of aliens to INS on mere suspicion of prejudice. Firm evidence that a household is illegally in the U.S. would be required. Two examples of circumstances when an alien would be reported to INS are:

INS documents presented by the household during the application process are determined to be forged.

A former order of deportation is presented by the household during the application or recertification process.

"If a determination is made that a household, or household member, is in fact an illegal alien present in the United States in violation of the immigration laws, staff will report the determination to the supervisor. The supervisor will send a written report to the Food Stamp Policy Administrator who will decide whether the evidence is enough to make a report to INS."



(Reports to INS Never happen)
this straight from Policy manual

it depends on context really,,, white and black are official census terms here and therefore hard to argue as being intentionally derogatory(although we are all free to express what offends us and request others dont act offensively towards us once they know)


caucasian and negroid are dated terms, but they were once official as well,,,,,however I have rarely heard either used in a non derogatory context in this day and age


offensive is often just a subjective standard that we need to respect when we become aware of it,,,heck, I have had a female ask me not to call her hun because she found it condescending(hun has always been a punctuation for me,,lol, use it in conversation with EVERYONE)


in her case, I made the effort to refrain from using the term,,it doesnt take that MUCH effort really

Dont be PC anymore...just tell it like it is!!