it's a memorable place...

Maybe it would bring this country together if every courthouse through out the land would fly a Confederate Flag and a Union Flag along side each other.

Shows solidarity and Unity.. Not division and Hatred.. it was not the Flag that was the problem. thier were/are good people in the South.

not a bad suggestion, but the country is run more on regional consensus, so ya really have to cater to where the money is coming from and if flying that flag causes money to be lost, I doubt it will happen

money talks, money is power

Yea but whats the difference.. Foriegn fighters on our land or a civil war.. They both fly flags and concepts foriegn to what is believed by the majority.

Why cater to 1?

The center is an excellent idea. Showing that Americans understand that Muslims are not to blame for what terrorist do.

People who have hatred for Muslims should not be governing all of us.

It isn't about hared for Muslims.

The whole WTC thing, building a Mosque in the shadow of Ground Zero is a blatant slap in the face that is going to have serious repercussions later. Obama's administration is about appeasement. Again if they chose a sight a little farther away in good taste they would not have the heated debate over this issue and the charged feelings against this project I share.

It isn't the Muslim people I have an issue with. It is the core of the Muslim Faith I have an issue with and a bad one now! I must be Muslim or die??? Fuque that! Pay dimmi to them for the privilege to worship the way I see fit? NOT A CHANCE IN HELL OR HERE!

Do not defend a faith you do not fully understand. If you are a woman supporting Islam then can you honestly tell us you can live by Sharia Law? Are you ready to have a husband allowed to beat you for ANY reason he sees fit? Ready to give up your daughters to men and have them married off as young as five and sexually broken in by 9?

Please do us a favor and read about the history of Mohamed and also read the Quar-an. You think Christianity is misogynistic? Then you Know NOTHING!

Yeah people have a right to worship as they see fit but when the tenants of a religion believe in religious subjugation even by the use of force like Islam then there is a distinct problem. When Islam embraces my right to pursue MY own personal Faith beliefs without fear of subjugation or murder then I will feel more tolerant of them.

Until then I will wait and when they step over the line I will fight back. I recommend some of you out there do a little real homework. Mohamed was a syphilitic pedophile with bogus delusions of heaven and hell! Jesus was a Jewish Carpenter. L. Ron Hubbard was a homosexual pedophile Sci Fi writer, And God only knows what Joseph Smith Jr. was smoking when he came up with the Mormon Church! None of these faiths involve killing people and the Christian Church has gotten bast their age of blood. Islam never will! Not by the tenants of their core faith!

Why the hell are people trying to throw hugs and rainbows at this vial and evil religion?

Granted there are Islamic with their own twists to it and those who would live peacefully among others BUT the rest???






Plunge in back when Christian monkey boy is not looking!

I actually do read and research the Qu ran

I think many cultures interpretations of it are as distorted as many christians interpretation of the bible

many christians believe women are basically slaves to men because the bible says for wives to submit to their husband

I think people take Qu ran in different contexts causing different interpretations


I believe muslim women are very respectable and honorable in general, and I do support their right to continue the traditions which keep them that way

whether or not I could do it is not the question as I have been basically 'spoiled' to the western way of life(If this was not the way of life I grew up with and if my belief were not in christ, I could easily live as a muslim),

I also probably couldnt manage being an astronaut very well and I manage to have great respect for astronauts just the same,,,

This is what Barrack Hussein Obama had to say in regards to Islam and this country " Separation of Church and state! No bibles within 100 yards of a school and no 10 commandments posted anywhere on public land even if they are historic. Now let me give a shout out to my Ramadan Inn friends! Down with Israel! Go for Female mutilation!" Anybody but him 2012...

well, I guess if Kanye can have his rant about Bush hating blacks,,,,rock your vote and Ill rock mine,,,

Unfortunately it will be divisive.

It is pretty clear about a lot and also so is Shaihira Law. How do you interpret how they are to deal with other religions? Cut them down and tax the rest they chose to "Allow."

Also how do you interpret their whole outlook on child brides?

So suddenly I can convert and pork 12 year old girls and marry them becasue of religious freedom suddenly?

You can't have things both ways you know. So are you saying you accept these behaviors acceptable too?

There is a point where "tolerance" becomes stupid. Frankly allowing men to break in 9 year old girls is pretty fuqued up!

Again I am seeing short sightedness to what some of these presidents we are setting will have in the future.

Can you honestly say you approve of wife beating?

If so do you approve of being beaten into place yourself?

Honestly...

Do you???

And you would wish this "freedom" for others?

So now if I convert to Islam I am allowed to beat my wife for pissing me off? And since I am Muslim the cops can't touch me becasue of my religious freedom?

Where do we draw the line? After its raining blood?

religion doesnt and shouldnt take precedent over the laws of the land, noone is suggesting that


muslims still have to obey the laws of the land, just as christians,,,there are muslim countries where the age of consent is 18 or over, so this stereotype is not one that applies to all followers in every culture, its not so extreme when our western culture accepts childrens sexuality for the muslim culture to take it a step further and expect commitment instead of mere 'experimentation'

as for the beating, I know how extreme people go in comparing spanking a child with child abuse, Islam doesnt condone abusive behavior although there are situations in which it condones correction,,,,,,,

the difference is up for interpretation

Again Islam condones violence against women and non-islamics.

Also you did not say whether or not you can live to Shihira Law.

There can be no two ways about it. Either you can or can't.

I don't care how you interpret squat. I had my years of going at it with Catholic Priests who assumed I was uneducated in the Bible. I can read too and Islam is not a good religion. It is a control hungry religion putting the religious figures FAR ahead of everything else. Look at Iran for crying out loud. They ARE an Islamic Theocracy.

Many ignore the fact that Islams big prophet was and endorses pedophilia and warmongering.

When Sharia Law takes over, the prisons will no longer house baby-rapers, they'll be put on pedestals and honored.

In our country we are free to collect money and buy up all the buildings around
the grond zero mosque and turn it into a huge block long evangelical center
of proselytization aimed at converting muslims to christianity. This is a perfectly legal
exercise of freedom in our society. But some might find it inconsiderate or
even offensive. Even if we include the beer and whisky making facilities and
the best pork baby back ribs, ham and bacon nude strip joint bar in the northeast!





My point? Yes our right to be offensive is guaranteed in the Constitution but it is not always a good idea to exercise this
right. I don't recommend it.

you are free to your opinion,

I doubt I will change mine


I dont know of irrefutable evidence that ISLAM (which is as affected by regional culture as much as any other religion) is a supporter of abuse,,,,although some cultures do condone abuse, others merely condone several types of correction , and many consider correction to be the same as abuse( including christians who dont agree that the rod in the bible is literal and oppose corporal punishment of children)


I could be a muslim easily if that had been what I was born into, though I would be more inclined to follow tajdid, than some current cultural interpretations of sharia

I feel blessed to be Christian, but I dont feel any other religion contains members who are my 'enemy' or whom I need to be afraid of or who are any less human and deserving than I am

Let us ascend past opinion.

Can you live by Shiahira law?


This is a predominant tenant in most Islamic nations.

It is Theocratic authority imposed as law.

With this in mind considering the amount of support for Shiahira law there is can you justify it?

Religious freedom is one thing but what about when its basic tenants is in an infringement of our freedoms and safety?

You my friend have hit the nail on the head. There is a huge difference between freedom of religion and what is acceptable human behavior.

Let me illustrate. In 1621 Caspar Plautius visited South America and observed a native culture that practiced Devil Worship along with Cannibalism. Now according to the logic of many liberals who think that Shiahira law is acceptable because its part of the Islamic belief system....I pose this question to you...what if people today that practice the occult want to sacrifice humans or animals and eat their flesh? Is that acceptable? If you say there is a difference between cannibalism and Shiahira Law...I think many PETA and Human Rights activists would strongly disagree. Any religion that practices a social behavior that is unacceptable to the social norms of any society that does not preserve the sanctity of life and protect the rights of all living creatures both man or animal needs to be defined not as a religion but as pure evil. Now one may say that Shiahira law is not practiced to that extent in America....I have one thing to say to that...Not Yet Anyway. What needs to be the focus of this debate is what is the limitations of social norms say for example people that eat monkey brains...verses people that practice mutilation of their own family members. It all comes down to Human Rights...don't protect any religion that does not hold Human Rights as its highest moral responsibility. The Islamic faith at its very core is evil. IMHO.