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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms.
She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. |
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Is this a ten foot pole topic?
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racism isn't racism as long as you are not white!
And that is a crock of BS. She deserved her termination! Now she is rewarded? WTF!!! She should be run out on a rail and if she were white talking about blacks like that? OMG! The shart would be all over the fan and every one else as well! |
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youre right...racism at its best. thats the 'new world order'. its acceptable, if youre black. its just that white people arent allowed to form groups representing themselves, that would be racist.
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. |
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it was a mistake to fire her. she was relating a story about how
she had overcome some of her prejudices when she was younger. it was an innocuous story. i don't know about a promotion but she should not have been fired. takes some guts to admit your mistake and try to fix it. |
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it was a mistake to fire her. she was relating a story about how she had overcome some of her prejudices when she was younger. it was an innocuous story. i don't know about a promotion but she should not have been fired. takes some guts to admit your mistake and try to fix it. This. |
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Edited by
msharmony
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Thu 07/22/10 07:27 PM
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. I think it would still stand. Mainly because the incident in question happened 25 years ago when she was not working with the USDA(check out some of the histories of our past presidents 25 years prior to their terms, I can think of one who was an alcoholic , driving while intoxicated) and because in FULL CONTEXT she was actually speaking at NAACP about how she has CHANGED from whom she once was (as we all probably do and will over twenty five year period),,and also because the farmers wife herself came out publicly stating how GREAT a help she had actually been in helping her keep the farm The bottom line is she did do her job,, she did help them keep the farm, and she has matured from the thinking which caused her to initially question 'how much' help she should give. It was just a recollection about a personal insecurity she had had when she was in her twenties(quite a different time). I think too much was made of such a small thing, considering that she did actually do the job she was supposed to do,, as opposed to discriminating and refusing to make the effort at all. |
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So then it's okay to use racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official, as long as you admit to it and say you learned from it at a later date? Does the full version of her story tell of how many cases she had cross her desk before her "epiphany?" What of those people? The civil rights act applies to all of us, and has been in place longer than she has been working at the Ag. Dept.
Would the media have been so understanding if it was a white woman and say Mexican-American farmers? |
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So then it's okay to use racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official, as long as you admit to it and say you learned from it at a later date? Does the full version of her story tell of how many cases she had cross her desk before her "epiphany?" What of those people? The civil rights act applies to all of us, and has been in place longer than she has been working at the Ag. Dept. Would the media have been so understanding if it was a white woman and say Mexican-American farmers? no, its not alright to use racist practices and if they had something racist she had done in an 'official capacity' it would apply a bit more. But, as I stated before, her disclosing her DOUBTS is quite different than an admission that she didnt do her job, and even harder to prove when her job was helping them keep the farm and they DID and they personally gave her credit for it. If they hadnt kept the farm, or if there was a proven history of her NOT Helping white people keep their farm, that would be different. |
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So then it's okay to use racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official, as long as you admit to it and say you learned from it at a later date? Does the full version of her story tell of how many cases she had cross her desk before her "epiphany?" What of those people? The civil rights act applies to all of us, and has been in place longer than she has been working at the Ag. Dept. Would the media have been so understanding if it was a white woman and say Mexican-American farmers? 25 years ago...let it go. |
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If I let it go the debate ends doesn't it? What fun is that?
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If I let it go the debate ends doesn't it? What fun is that? Just saying...some fires are better left put out while others burn around it. |
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So then it's okay to use racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official, as long as you admit to it and say you learned from it at a later date? Does the full version of her story tell of how many cases she had cross her desk before her "epiphany?" What of those people? The civil rights act applies to all of us, and has been in place longer than she has been working at the Ag. Dept. Would the media have been so understanding if it was a white woman and say Mexican-American farmers? She wasn't working for the government and she was speaking of her journey. If white men killed her dad, she had a reason to struggle there. |
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I think bringing up dirt on something that happened 25 years ago is stupid.People change and their attitudes change.Many people that were in gangs in their teens are now against gangs and do outreach programs.I think going back 10 years is probably acceptable.Anything over that is questionable.Even the statue of limitations for most crimes only have a 7-10 year period where they can be arrested for that crime.
It was also very stupid to cherry pick someone's speech.Who ever posted that video should have known someone would eventually post the whole video and see this girl was not a racist.It was a dishonest and deplorable thing to do to someone. I am no fan of the NAACP.But justice not being served is a terrible thing.The facts came out and justice was served.She was innocent of this accusation and she should have her job back along with a apology.It was alarming to me though when she was talking about not helping this white farmer the blacks in the NAACP crowd were applauding. |
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Edited by
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Thu 07/22/10 09:02 PM
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This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. The reason why the Secretary of Agriculture has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion is because a full video came out showing that the her quote was taken grossly out of context. In the speech I talk how as she was helping the white farmer that it wasn't about race and that people of every color has their own struggles. So then it's okay to use racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official, as long as you admit to it and say you learned from it at a later date? Does the full version of her story tell of how many cases she had cross her desk before her "epiphany?" What of those people? The civil rights act applies to all of us, and has been in place longer than she has been working at the Ag. Dept. No she never used racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official. That was the whole point of her story: it was about how she had a change of heart WHILE she was helping the said white farmer. Also there was a topic about this earlier today here. Here is the full video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9NcCa_KjXk |
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? |
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. |
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So then it's okay to use racist practices while serving in a capacity as a government official, as long as you admit to it and say you learned from it at a later date? Does the full version of her story tell of how many cases she had cross her desk before her "epiphany?" What of those people? The civil rights act applies to all of us, and has been in place longer than she has been working at the Ag. Dept. Would the media have been so understanding if it was a white woman and say Mexican-American farmers? She wasn't working for the government and she was speaking of her journey. If white men killed her dad, she had a reason to struggle there. no white people have ever had their parents killed by blacks, huh? |
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. i agree with reinstating her, i am just saying it would have been a different story if she was white. |
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