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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. i agree with reinstating her, i am just saying it would have been a different story if she was white. I disagree, the firing was without grounds as she did and continues to do her job. |
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Edited by
mightymoe
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. i agree with reinstating her, i am just saying it would have been a different story if she was white. I disagree, the firing was without grounds as she did and continues to do her job. |
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. i agree with reinstating her, i am just saying it would have been a different story if she was white. I disagree, the firing was without grounds as she did and continues to do her job. I disagree. There was no grounds to fire someone. People cant be fired without some wrong doing and her questioning her self was not wrong on any level especially since she followed through with the RIGHT decision afterwards... |
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. i agree with reinstating her, i am just saying it would have been a different story if she was white. I disagree, the firing was without grounds as she did and continues to do her job. I disagree. There was no grounds to fire someone. People cant be fired without some wrong doing and her questioning her self was not wrong on any level especially since she followed through with the RIGHT decision afterwards... people can get fired for anything...i'm not saying anything bad about her, she did the right thing, she corrected herself. i'm saying there's a lot of racism on both sides, a lot of pushing and pulling for position. sometimes it doesn't seem fair for anyone, but what can we do. sometimes what seems like racism actually isn't, it's just the way life is. we see everything through our own eyes, and everyone sees something different. |
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This news story was on HLN this morning. For those not familiar with the story, Shirley worked for the Dept. of Agriculture. It was her job to help farmers with government aid, specifically small farmers in trouble with the possibility of losing their farms. She was dismissed a few days back because a video of her was posted where she said that because one of the farmers that she helped was "white" and she didn't seem to put forth her best effort in helping them (Shirley is African-American). She also said that she hired them a "white lawyer" so the could be helped by "one of there own kind." This speech was giving at a local NAACP event, and the film posted on the web was edited (Shirley has said the comments were taken out of context). Shirley also says she stuck with the case and saw that the farmers (folks in their 80's) kept the farm. She also says that she said later in her speech that she learned "it was about rich and poor, not race," though that part of the video has not surfaced. Today the Secretary of Agriculture said that he "reacted too quickly" and has made an offer to reinstate her and offered her a promotion. The question I ask is this. Would we let these kinds of remarks stand if it was someone besides a woman of color? I don't think a white male making similar comments towards a minority farmer would be offered a promotion and an apology by their boss. I'm not even certain that if it would have been a black man he'd of been able to keep his job. I just don't know what to think, but I'd love to hear some debate on the topic. If you watch the whole speech, you will see that she was explaining her journey from racism to non racism. When she was younger, having had her dad killed by white men and while she was not working for the government, she was resentful of whites. She learned that people are people no matter what. If you get the facts on this you will see. well, your right... but would have happened if SHE was white? I am sure it would. IT only showed that she has a conscience, there was no mention and no evidence that she did not do the job she was supposed to do, and then theres that thing of it being over twenty years ago. i agree with reinstating her, i am just saying it would have been a different story if she was white. I disagree, the firing was without grounds as she did and continues to do her job. I disagree. There was no grounds to fire someone. People cant be fired without some wrong doing and her questioning her self was not wrong on any level especially since she followed through with the RIGHT decision afterwards... people can get fired for anything...i'm not saying anything bad about her, she did the right thing, she corrected herself. i'm saying there's a lot of racism on both sides, a lot of pushing and pulling for position. sometimes it doesn't seem fair for anyone, but what can we do. sometimes what seems like racism actually isn't, it's just the way life is. we see everything through our own eyes, and everyone sees something different. true |
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Edited by
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I love it when white people make excuses for reverse racists!
So where does this BS end? It won't when we tolerate this behavior from ANYONE of ANY color! She QUIT???? BFD She should have been fired. She "used to be racist?" Her daddy was killed by "whites?" "Us verses THEM?" So how about all those white victims of crimes perpetrated by blacks and Hispanics? How AREN'T those racially motivated crimes?  Some of you people really need to get over yourselves! |
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Seriously ... WHO's surprised by the fact that she's now being rewarded for having dutifully played her role out ... ? This was and is a con job on the American public - and, true to form, the sheeple have eaten it up. 'Social Justice' ... uh-huh. BS is more like it. There's no such thing as a 'former racist' ... it's more than an attitude - it's a way of life ... and she's proven that very nicely, thankyewberrymush.
Just as an 'aside" ... The NAACP is a racist organization. Oh - you say it's NOT ... ? Then riddle me this: How come it still uses 'Colored People' in its name? That term fell out of favor with BLACK people years ago. One more question: If they ARE about 'advancing' 'people of color', name a couple of members who are Asian, Native American, Eskimo (you might say 'Inuit'), Hispanic, or any other 'color'. You can't. There aren't. It's a RACIST organization - but you'll never hear that from the ones on here who constantly yell 'RAYciss!' when talking about whites. Lastly, the NAACP is ONLY for LIBERAL 'colored people'. Think not? Name me ONE Conservative member of that organization. Case. Closed. |
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Since I started this debate, and I don't want to seem like I'm picking on Ms Sherrod purposely, I have one more question:
How come the only footage the media can find of the guy that posted the edited video comes from him speaking at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference? Just an observation. Let the debate continue. |
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If a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it does it make a sound?
I think what is more important is that she was caught making the racially charged remarks she did. I doubt highly it was contrived footage. Would it have carried more weight if it was taped by a Democrat? The DNC is an Evil party just like the Republican party is. The Dems want to cram socialism down our throats but in the same breath promote continuing a backwards approach to the ideals of equality. They act like throwing money at all our problems make them go away. THEY rewarded everyone who effed up our economy and they play us against one another like this. So when a BLACK official makes racially charged remarks she is making social commentary while a white man making racially charged remarks is a racist? I could care who the source was as long as they are not faking evidence! If the footage was contrived I would be pissed off at the source for bearing false witness but then again our WHOLE government lies to us all the time! |
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I love it when white people make excuses for reverse racists! So where does this BS end? It won't when we tolerate this behavior from ANYONE of ANY color! She QUIT???? BFD She should have been fired. She "used to be racist?" Her daddy was killed by "whites?" "Us verses THEM?" So how about all those white victims of crimes perpetrated by blacks and Hispanics? How AREN'T those racially motivated crimes? Some of you people really need to get over yourselves! I agree,, what 'behavior' dont we tolerate,,,people having the audacity to question their own motives? Let me give an example, I was once RAPED by a white man,, as a result, I used to think 'white men are dangerous' and I used to avoid going around them until I matured and realized that man could have been any color and it was him and not his race who assaulted me now, if I work with white men in the future, should I be fired if someone digs up that paragraph? doubtful,, there was no ACTION to warrant firing , especially when it didnt happen on the job she now holds,,,,and IF she does exceptional work with her CURRENT employer she deserves to have THAT employer promote her,,, pretty simple Im surprised people are making so much out of this fairly common and small thing,,,do none of you ever QUESTION yourselves or have personal obstacles to overcome in your life and should that cause you to be labeled the rest of your life and punished even if you are not shown to have HURT anyone? my guess is most of you would be in serious trouble if held to your own standards,,,especially if we take it back twenty five years,,,just saying,, |
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Seriously ... WHO's surprised by the fact that she's now being rewarded for having dutifully played her role out ... ? This was and is a con job on the American public - and, true to form, the sheeple have eaten it up. 'Social Justice' ... uh-huh. BS is more like it. There's no such thing as a 'former racist' ... it's more than an attitude - it's a way of life ... and she's proven that very nicely, thankyewberrymush. Just as an 'aside" ... The NAACP is a racist organization. Oh - you say it's NOT ... ? Then riddle me this: How come it still uses 'Colored People' in its name? That term fell out of favor with BLACK people years ago. One more question: If they ARE about 'advancing' 'people of color', name a couple of members who are Asian, Native American, Eskimo (you might say 'Inuit'), Hispanic, or any other 'color'. You can't. There aren't. It's a RACIST organization - but you'll never hear that from the ones on here who constantly yell 'RAYciss!' when talking about whites. Lastly, the NAACP is ONLY for LIBERAL 'colored people'. Think not? Name me ONE Conservative member of that organization. Case. Closed. another case of ASSuming and posting without researching,, here is a name,,Annie Spell,,,,put it in your favorite search engine she is a white woman and a CHAPTER PRESIDENT I also have been to dinners and conventions with white members and hispanic members,,,,not that it matters to anyone consumed with throwing dirt,,, |
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There is a vast difference between a violent act and saying openly as a public official, "I set him up with white people becasue only white people can work among themselves."
I know this is not exactly word for word what she said but it was the same old "Us and Them" speak. This is the kind of shart that promotes the whole Cain and Able complex! I used to get rat packed by blacks when I grew up in Inglewood. SO WHAT? I still got black friends! If your hand hurts do you cut it off? That makes no sense! So does the handling of this woman for her racially motivated views! She spelled it out. Her daddy was killed by White men.... SO EFFING WHAT? How about all those poor Vietnamese killed by Black and White American soldiers? Vietnam got over the war already... They are not playing any blame games! We had such massive leaps in equality in the 1960s and it is all wasted on officials like her! 
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There is a vast difference between a violent act and saying openly as a public official, "I set him up with white people becasue only white people can work among themselves." I know this is not exactly word for word what she said but it was the same old "Us and Them" speak. This is the kind of shart that promotes the whole Cain and Able complex! I used to get rat packed by blacks when I grew up in Inglewood. SO WHAT? I still got black friends! If your hand hurts do you cut it off? That makes no sense! So does the handling of this woman for her racially motivated views! She spelled it out. Her daddy was killed by White men.... SO EFFING WHAT? How about all those poor Vietnamese killed by Black and White American soldiers? Vietnam got over the war already... They are not playing any blame games! We had such massive leaps in equality in the 1960s and it is all wasted on officials like her! read my typing : She STILL helped the people keep their farm,,from their own account she did a WONDERFUL job of it too she shared how she FELT(25 years ago), what she did was exactly what she was supposed to do and there is no evidence that in the past twenty years or even in her more recent employment with the USDA that she is guilty of even the most REMOTE racist practice... |
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Ms Harmony
 
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Seriously ... WHO's surprised by the fact that she's now being rewarded for having dutifully played her role out ... ? This was and is a con job on the American public - and, true to form, the sheeple have eaten it up. 'Social Justice' ... uh-huh. BS is more like it. There's no such thing as a 'former racist' ... it's more than an attitude - it's a way of life ... and she's proven that very nicely, thankyewberrymush. Just as an 'aside" ... The NAACP is a racist organization. Oh - you say it's NOT ... ? Then riddle me this: How come it still uses 'Colored People' in its name? That term fell out of favor with BLACK people years ago. One more question: If they ARE about 'advancing' 'people of color', name a couple of members who are Asian, Native American, Eskimo (you might say 'Inuit'), Hispanic, or any other 'color'. You can't. There aren't. It's a RACIST organization - but you'll never hear that from the ones on here who constantly yell 'RAYciss!' when talking about whites. Lastly, the NAACP is ONLY for LIBERAL 'colored people'. Think not? Name me ONE Conservative member of that organization. Case. Closed. another case of ASSuming and posting without researching,, here is a name,,Annie Spell,,,,put it in your favorite search engine she is a white woman and a CHAPTER PRESIDENT I also have been to dinners and conventions with white members and hispanic members,,,,not that it matters to anyone consumed with throwing dirt,,, One divergence (and a LIBERAL one, at that) doth not a case make ... Game over. Try again. You lose. |
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Seriously ... WHO's surprised by the fact that she's now being rewarded for having dutifully played her role out ... ? This was and is a con job on the American public - and, true to form, the sheeple have eaten it up. 'Social Justice' ... uh-huh. BS is more like it. There's no such thing as a 'former racist' ... it's more than an attitude - it's a way of life ... and she's proven that very nicely, thankyewberrymush. Just as an 'aside" ... The NAACP is a racist organization. Oh - you say it's NOT ... ? Then riddle me this: How come it still uses 'Colored People' in its name? That term fell out of favor with BLACK people years ago. One more question: If they ARE about 'advancing' 'people of color', name a couple of members who are Asian, Native American, Eskimo (you might say 'Inuit'), Hispanic, or any other 'color'. You can't. There aren't. It's a RACIST organization - but you'll never hear that from the ones on here who constantly yell 'RAYciss!' when talking about whites. Lastly, the NAACP is ONLY for LIBERAL 'colored people'. Think not? Name me ONE Conservative member of that organization. Case. Closed. another case of ASSuming and posting without researching,, here is a name,,Annie Spell,,,,put it in your favorite search engine she is a white woman and a CHAPTER PRESIDENT I also have been to dinners and conventions with white members and hispanic members,,,,not that it matters to anyone consumed with throwing dirt,,, One divergence (and a LIBERAL one, at that) doth not a case make ... Game over. Try again. You lose. lol,, so the strategy is ask for a type of fact and than claim the fact is irrelevant ,,,if you get to judge which non black members 'count',, than I will pass on the request try going to some meetings (isnt that what tea party advocates suggest?) ,, you may be extremely surprised,,, |
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Just becasue she puts on a good show for one person is meaningless. Color should never have come up!
Why is it so hard for people to consider themselves just plain Americans? Also what does being "White" mean. I sure in the hell have no Caucasian blood in me. I am Mediterranean and Irish, both locations of my forefathers was WAY west of the Caucus Mountains nestles in WAY East Europe. I just get riled when people can get away with harboring such values and sentiments to color their words when addressing people by color. Any person of ANY heritage who is born here or legally matriculated to our fold should be proud to be JUST AN AMERICAN! Her remarks were devisive and inflammatory. So she does her job. Any white man or woman making the same comments of a black person would have been stuffed head first into a media circus leading to their termination and beratement by people that they don't even know. Condoleza Rice NEVER said anything to the effect of what this woman said and she is black. I really could care less how conscientious a person is if they are going to harbor prejudice in their hearts like that. I am super offended at any black that feels us WHITES owe them anything! What those jerk offs owe us is an apology for being so backwards, lazy, and greedy! In order to beat the racial issues plaguing this nation we need UNIFORM reactions to ALL who transgress common sense and the laws. Not selective treatments by color. Remember a remark made by Obama when he was not president? The one where he said "Corporate greed is White man's Greed?" WELL NOW, IF BLACK MEN ARE SO GREAT THEN WHY IS AFRICA SUCH A EFFED UP PIT OF A COLLECTION OF BLACK RUN NATIONS? Look, it is unfair to drop bombs on white people who bear racist sentiments while those who are black have their own prejudice overlooked! Its that very hypocrisy that pisses me off so badly. I know black business owners, and black entrepreneurs who have risen above the racism and BS and are making something out of their lives without this "Us and Them" thinking. In the same blush why is it a Black man who makes a name and life for himself is an Uncle Tom while the slackers are happy being called Niggas and despise black men who make something of themselves other than sports stars or Rappers? (note the lack of an ER at the end!) I will openly admit Skinheads are an Embarrassment to being White but when does this BS end? At least I am not tolerant of it at all! So why do I have to appease ANYBODY for belligerent behavior? People who take Public Service Gobs ESPECIALLY in the government sector need to guard their comments especially in public! Her words set a tone I do not like! And like the ripples in a pond her words will reach out to others giving them the wrong example of what is acceptable conduct in the future. Do you have any idea how pissed off I would be if I went to the DMV and got called "Wonderbread" by anyone working behind the counter? Think Volcanic! I am so sick of the Fear mongering and racist BS tossed around all the time! I on top of that am COMPLETELY sick of all the appeasement going on! |
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Seriously ... WHO's surprised by the fact that she's now being rewarded for having dutifully played her role out ... ? This was and is a con job on the American public - and, true to form, the sheeple have eaten it up. 'Social Justice' ... uh-huh. BS is more like it. There's no such thing as a 'former racist' ... it's more than an attitude - it's a way of life ... and she's proven that very nicely, thankyewberrymush. Just as an 'aside" ... The NAACP is a racist organization. Oh - you say it's NOT ... ? Then riddle me this: How come it still uses 'Colored People' in its name? That term fell out of favor with BLACK people years ago. One more question: If they ARE about 'advancing' 'people of color', name a couple of members who are Asian, Native American, Eskimo (you might say 'Inuit'), Hispanic, or any other 'color'. You can't. There aren't. It's a RACIST organization - but you'll never hear that from the ones on here who constantly yell 'RAYciss!' when talking about whites. Lastly, the NAACP is ONLY for LIBERAL 'colored people'. Think not? Name me ONE Conservative member of that organization. Case. Closed. another case of ASSuming and posting without researching,, here is a name,,Annie Spell,,,,put it in your favorite search engine she is a white woman and a CHAPTER PRESIDENT I also have been to dinners and conventions with white members and hispanic members,,,,not that it matters to anyone consumed with throwing dirt,,, One divergence (and a LIBERAL one, at that) doth not a case make ... Game over. Try again. You lose. lol,, so the strategy is ask for a type of fact and than claim the fact is irrelevant ,,,if you get to judge which non black members 'count',, than I will pass on the request try going to some meetings (isnt that what tea party advocates suggest?) ,, you may be extremely surprised,,, You didn't supply a candidate who met the criteria ... specifically, CONSERVATIVE. The fact that this person (or any of the others you mentioned) are members of the NAACP says NOTHING about their political orientation being CONSERVATIVE in a Liberal Socialist / Communist organization that is dedicated to promoting the welfare of only ONE race. THAT's racist. When you answer the question rather than merely pointing out a 'token' who happens to be a member, then I can take your answer seriously. Until then, it's all smoke 'n mirrors to avoid answering - or answering without answering ... you know, just like 'The UN' does. |
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