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the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head the kids were in the van, the pilots didn't know until the ground crews got there...that was bad, but it is war. yes, my brother was a naval captain and he managed to stay grounded and take the job very seriously,,, now he is a doctor and he would never act like killing was noble or 'good' , let alone funny I kind of feel like the female in Avatar,, although killing is sometimes necessary, its not something I think anyone should ever start feeling 'good' or 'humored' with.. hearing those men laughing was the worst... You have no idea, you have to make light of the situation or you will snap. When I was an EMT-II on the PVFRS we used to play another one bites the dust on the radio everytime we lost someone. It's how people cope with it so they don't burn out or go crazy. |
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the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head the kids were in the van, the pilots didn't know until the ground crews got there...that was bad, but it is war. yes, my brother was a naval captain and he managed to stay grounded and take the job very seriously,,, now he is a doctor and he would never act like killing was noble or 'good' , let alone funny I kind of feel like the female in Avatar,, although killing is sometimes necessary, its not something I think anyone should ever start feeling 'good' or 'humored' with.. hearing those men laughing was the worst... You have no idea, you have to make light of the situation or you will snap. When I was an EMT-II on the PVFRS we used to play another one bites the dust on the radio everytime we lost someone. It's how people cope with it so they don't burn out or go crazy. wow,, and thats sad |
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Here, you equate "the military" to "the country". A false correlation if there ever was one. What makes you think 1) the military "gets things done" 2) I myself am "scared of doing anything myself"? Unlike the military establishment, I am aspiring entrepreneur. I choose to produce for the betterment of humankind, the military only consumes to humanity's detriment. (it consumes more than $200 billion without producing anything, not including the farcical wars' expenses)
I don't spit on the soldiers because it doesn't help anything. I would rather spit on the politicians whose incompetence and greed "necessitates" militarism in the first place. |
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Here, you equate "the military" to "the country". A false correlation if there ever was one. What makes you think 1) the military "gets things done" 2) I myself am "scared of doing anything myself"? Unlike the military establishment, I am aspiring entrepreneur. I choose to produce for the betterment of humankind, the military only consumes to humanity's detriment. (it consumes more than $200 billion without producing anything, not including the farcical wars' expenses) I don't spit on the soldiers because it doesn't help anything. I would rather spit on the politicians whose incompetence and greed "necessitates" militarism in the first place. we are STILL in an active state of WAR. You speak of the military, its role, and its duties, with the empty words of someone who only sees it from the outside, having never been on the 'inside' to know the reality. Since you claim to be an 'aspiring entrepreneur', you can thank the military for giving you the security you enjoy to pursue that goal. Whether or not you succeed is irrelevant - they have provided you the security and freedom to ACT on your chosen path. No one LIKES war - but you appear to believe that some people live only for it, and that they're dressed in AMERICAN uniforms. I suggest you update your historical context from the outdated 'nation-state' model which deploys uniformed combatants to the current model of 'insurgent / MOUT' warfare, in which the enemy uses civilians deliberately as shields - in much the same way they use mosques to protect their weapons caches. They use OUR humanity AGAINST us. It happens because OUR troops are attempting to prosecute a most UNcivil war in the most humane manner possible under very trying circumstances and under Rules of Engagement that, until Gen. Petraeus' arrival, gave more assistance to the ENEMY than they did to THEM. To close using a profound statement from someone else you probably despise, namely Richard M. Nixon, his statement regarding how to construct a budget, as you can read in his book 'The Real War', is to FIRST, budget for DEFENSE. If you cannot protect what you have, then anything else you may budget for is irrelevant. |
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I suppose if you are going to associate with terrorist in a War zone it shouldn't be surprising when you are watching a guided bomb coming right towards you.This news story is about two months old and they have already cleared the military of any wrong doing.If you are walking with a group of terrorist it shouldn't matter what you are carrying.Guilty by assoication.
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Here, you equate "the military" to "the country". A false correlation if there ever was one. What makes you think 1) the military "gets things done" 2) I myself am "scared of doing anything myself"? Unlike the military establishment, I am aspiring entrepreneur. I choose to produce for the betterment of humankind, the military only consumes to humanity's detriment. (it consumes more than $200 billion without producing anything, not including the farcical wars' expenses) I don't spit on the soldiers because it doesn't help anything. I would rather spit on the politicians whose incompetence and greed "necessitates" militarism in the first place. we are STILL in an active state of WAR. You speak of the military, its role, and its duties, with the empty words of someone who only sees it from the outside, having never been on the 'inside' to know the reality. Since you claim to be an 'aspiring entrepreneur', you can thank the military for giving you the security you enjoy to pursue that goal. Whether or not you succeed is irrelevant - they have provided you the security and freedom to ACT on your chosen path. No one LIKES war - but you appear to believe that some people live only for it, and that they're dressed in AMERICAN uniforms. I suggest you update your historical context from the outdated 'nation-state' model which deploys uniformed combatants to the current model of 'insurgent / MOUT' warfare, in which the enemy uses civilians deliberately as shields - in much the same way they use mosques to protect their weapons caches. They use OUR humanity AGAINST us. It happens because OUR troops are attempting to prosecute a most UNcivil war in the most humane manner possible under very trying circumstances and under Rules of Engagement that, until Gen. Petraeus' arrival, gave more assistance to the ENEMY than they did to THEM. To close using a profound statement from someone else you probably despise, namely Richard M. Nixon, his statement regarding how to construct a budget, as you can read in his book 'The Real War', is to FIRST, budget for DEFENSE. If you cannot protect what you have, then anything else you may budget for is irrelevant. 
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Edited by
heavenlyboy34
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Tue 07/06/10 06:12 PM
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Here, you equate "the military" to "the country". A false correlation if there ever was one. What makes you think 1) the military "gets things done" 2) I myself am "scared of doing anything myself"? Unlike the military establishment, I am aspiring entrepreneur. I choose to produce for the betterment of humankind, the military only consumes to humanity's detriment. (it consumes more than $200 billion without producing anything, not including the farcical wars' expenses) I don't spit on the soldiers because it doesn't help anything. I would rather spit on the politicians whose incompetence and greed "necessitates" militarism in the first place. we are STILL in an active state of WAR. You speak of the military, its role, and its duties, with the empty words of someone who only sees it from the outside, having never been on the 'inside' to know the reality. Since you claim to be an 'aspiring entrepreneur', you can thank the military for giving you the security you enjoy to pursue that goal. Whether or not you succeed is irrelevant - they have provided you the security and freedom to ACT on your chosen path. No one LIKES war - but you appear to believe that some people live only for it, and that they're dressed in AMERICAN uniforms. I suggest you update your historical context from the outdated 'nation-state' model which deploys uniformed combatants to the current model of 'insurgent / MOUT' warfare, in which the enemy uses civilians deliberately as shields - in much the same way they use mosques to protect their weapons caches. They use OUR humanity AGAINST us. It happens because OUR troops are attempting to prosecute a most UNcivil war in the most humane manner possible under very trying circumstances and under Rules of Engagement that, until Gen. Petraeus' arrival, gave more assistance to the ENEMY than they did to THEM. To close using a profound statement from someone else you probably despise, namely Richard M. Nixon, his statement regarding how to construct a budget, as you can read in his book 'The Real War', is to FIRST, budget for DEFENSE. If you cannot protect what you have, then anything else you may budget for is irrelevant. We are not in an active state of war. This would require a declaration of war or Letters of Marque and Reprisal-none of these exist in the history of the "War on Terror". No, neither the military nor the State gives me security to be an aspiring entrepreneur. The policies of the military and the State currently make war both easy and inevitable-thus harming my security (I and other Americans are targets of foreigners seeking vengence for American war crimes now, where we would otherwise be peaceful actors in the world) You should read "The Myth Of National Defense".(it can be read for free here-http://mises.org/etexts/defensemyth.pdf) Most of the "Defense" budget goes to waste. The Nixonian theory you espouse has been debunked for decades. The mission of "protecting what you have" is assigned to the States and their respective militias. The FedGov can only legitimately raise an army after declaring war. |
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Here, you equate "the military" to "the country". A false correlation if there ever was one. What makes you think 1) the military "gets things done" 2) I myself am "scared of doing anything myself"? Unlike the military establishment, I am aspiring entrepreneur. I choose to produce for the betterment of humankind, the military only consumes to humanity's detriment. (it consumes more than $200 billion without producing anything, not including the farcical wars' expenses) I don't spit on the soldiers because it doesn't help anything. I would rather spit on the politicians whose incompetence and greed "necessitates" militarism in the first place. we are STILL in an active state of WAR. You speak of the military, its role, and its duties, with the empty words of someone who only sees it from the outside, having never been on the 'inside' to know the reality. Since you claim to be an 'aspiring entrepreneur', you can thank the military for giving you the security you enjoy to pursue that goal. Whether or not you succeed is irrelevant - they have provided you the security and freedom to ACT on your chosen path. No one LIKES war - but you appear to believe that some people live only for it, and that they're dressed in AMERICAN uniforms. I suggest you update your historical context from the outdated 'nation-state' model which deploys uniformed combatants to the current model of 'insurgent / MOUT' warfare, in which the enemy uses civilians deliberately as shields - in much the same way they use mosques to protect their weapons caches. They use OUR humanity AGAINST us. It happens because OUR troops are attempting to prosecute a most UNcivil war in the most humane manner possible under very trying circumstances and under Rules of Engagement that, until Gen. Petraeus' arrival, gave more assistance to the ENEMY than they did to THEM. To close using a profound statement from someone else you probably despise, namely Richard M. Nixon, his statement regarding how to construct a budget, as you can read in his book 'The Real War', is to FIRST, budget for DEFENSE. If you cannot protect what you have, then anything else you may budget for is irrelevant. We are not in an active state of war. This would require a declaration of war or Letters of Marque and Reprisal-none of these exist in the history of the "War on Terror". No, neither the military nor the State gives me security to be an aspiring entrepreneur. The policies of the military and the State currently make war both easy and inevitable-thus harming my security (I and other Americans are targets of foreigners seeking vengence for American war crimes now, where we would otherwise be peaceful actors in the world) You should read "The Myth Of National Defense". Most of the "Defense" budget goes to waste. The Nixonian theory you espouse has been debunked for decades. The mission of "protecting what you have" is assigned to the States and their respective militias. The FedGov can only legitimately raise an army after declaring war. The Military or the state doesn't provide you the security? Really? If it wern't for the might of the US Military, we would be cooked. If it wern't for the might of the local and state police departments you would be cooked. Both provide security, for us to live in a FREE country. |
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Here, you equate "the military" to "the country". A false correlation if there ever was one. What makes you think 1) the military "gets things done" 2) I myself am "scared of doing anything myself"? Unlike the military establishment, I am aspiring entrepreneur. I choose to produce for the betterment of humankind, the military only consumes to humanity's detriment. (it consumes more than $200 billion without producing anything, not including the farcical wars' expenses) I don't spit on the soldiers because it doesn't help anything. I would rather spit on the politicians whose incompetence and greed "necessitates" militarism in the first place. we are STILL in an active state of WAR. You speak of the military, its role, and its duties, with the empty words of someone who only sees it from the outside, having never been on the 'inside' to know the reality. Since you claim to be an 'aspiring entrepreneur', you can thank the military for giving you the security you enjoy to pursue that goal. Whether or not you succeed is irrelevant - they have provided you the security and freedom to ACT on your chosen path. No one LIKES war - but you appear to believe that some people live only for it, and that they're dressed in AMERICAN uniforms. I suggest you update your historical context from the outdated 'nation-state' model which deploys uniformed combatants to the current model of 'insurgent / MOUT' warfare, in which the enemy uses civilians deliberately as shields - in much the same way they use mosques to protect their weapons caches. They use OUR humanity AGAINST us. It happens because OUR troops are attempting to prosecute a most UNcivil war in the most humane manner possible under very trying circumstances and under Rules of Engagement that, until Gen. Petraeus' arrival, gave more assistance to the ENEMY than they did to THEM. To close using a profound statement from someone else you probably despise, namely Richard M. Nixon, his statement regarding how to construct a budget, as you can read in his book 'The Real War', is to FIRST, budget for DEFENSE. If you cannot protect what you have, then anything else you may budget for is irrelevant. We are not in an active state of war. This would require a declaration of war or Letters of Marque and Reprisal-none of these exist in the history of the "War on Terror". No, neither the military nor the State gives me security to be an aspiring entrepreneur. The policies of the military and the State currently make war both easy and inevitable-thus harming my security (I and other Americans are targets of foreigners seeking vengence for American war crimes now, where we would otherwise be peaceful actors in the world) You should read "The Myth Of National Defense". Most of the "Defense" budget goes to waste. The Nixonian theory you espouse has been debunked for decades. The mission of "protecting what you have" is assigned to the States and their respective militias. The FedGov can only legitimately raise an army after declaring war. The Military or the state doesn't provide you the security? Really? If it wern't for the might of the US Military, we would be cooked. If it wern't for the might of the local and state police departments you would be cooked. Both provide security, for us to live in a FREE country. That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). |
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I am unlocking this topic. Discuss/debate the topic at hand and NOT the poster. Do not make it personal.
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The Military or the state doesn't provide you the security? Really? If it wern't for the might of the US Military, we would be cooked. If it wern't for the might of the local and state police departments you would be cooked. Both provide security, for us to live in a FREE country. That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). there is a reason why all the wars are abroad... the US military japan tried and failed they were the only ones if it wasn't for our military might, we more than likely would have been invaded before now but now the invasion comes from within our borders your saying the WTC and all the other terroristic acts was our own fault, by our actions towards the muslims and their countries. then why is it a world wide problem? all the bombings i have seen have been everywhere, not just in any one country? |
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Edited by
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The Military or the state doesn't provide you the security? Really? If it wern't for the might of the US Military, we would be cooked. If it wern't for the might of the local and state police departments you would be cooked. Both provide security, for us to live in a FREE country. That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). there is a reason why all the wars are abroad... the US military japan tried and failed they were the only ones if it wasn't for our military might, we more than likely would have been invaded before now but now the invasion comes from within our borders your saying the WTC and all the other terroristic acts was our own fault, by our actions towards the muslims and their countries. then why is it a world wide problem? all the bombings i have seen have been everywhere, not just in any one country? What leads you to think "military might" has prevented invasions? We've had our share of invasions, 9/11 being an obvious example. Yes, the WTC and previous terrorists attacks were the result of flawed policy. The CIA calls it "blowback". (you did know that Osama Bin Laden was on the Feds' payroll once upon a time, yes?) The reasons terrorism happens around the world are manifold. Since 3rd world nations can't afford giant war machines, terror is their mode of war. (as the old saying goes "war is the rich man's terror, terror is the poor man's war") The terrorists are doing what the FedGov is doing, only informally and without uniformed troops and such. The terror incidents in places like Britian occur because they help the FedGov. Of course there are random wackos, but that happens here too. (remember the nutcase who killed a siek after 9/11?) Perhaps you should ask yourself why Switzerland doesn't need to be in perpetual war on "terror" (they haven't even been attacked) even though they have similar "Western" values as the US. bbl, time for dinner. I'll write more tonite or maybe in the morning. |
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Edited by
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" ... That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). ... " Remember that 'illusion' every night you spend safe and undisturbed in your air-conditioned bedroom with warm food in your belly while some unnamed and unknown troops are in a desert environment watching their buddies die to protect you and your 'entrepreneurial spirit'. To them, it makes no difference if the war is 'declared' or not. People are JUST AS DEAD in an 'undeclared' war as they are in FDR's 'declared' war - you know, the one called 'WWII', when he COULD have saved American lives at Pearl Harbor but chose to NOT do so in order to mobilize public opinion in favor of war ... Prattle on all you like about these finely-spun high-blown 'philosophies', but you know not of what you speak ... If you think what our troops are doing now is NOT national defense, I'd like you to classify what you see it as. Wait - don't tell me - it's 'terrorism', right ... ? Tell the troops that ... |
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" ... That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). ... " Remember that 'illusion' every night you spend safe and undisturbed in your air-conditioned bedroom with warm food in your belly while some unnamed and unknown troops are in a desert environment watching their buddies die to protect you and your 'entrepreneurial spirit'. To them, it makes no difference if the war is 'declared' or not. People are JUST AS DEAD in an 'undeclared' war as they are in FDR's 'declared' war - you know, the one called 'WWII', when he COULD have saved American lives at Pearl Harbor but chose to NOT do so in order to mobilize public opinion in favor of war ... Prattle on all you like about these finely-spun high-blown 'philosophies', but you know not of what you speak ... If you think what our troops are doing now is NOT national defense, I'd like you to classify what you see it as. Wait - don't tell me - it's 'terrorism', right ... ? Tell the troops that ... 
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The Military or the state doesn't provide you the security? Really? If it wern't for the might of the US Military, we would be cooked. If it wern't for the might of the local and state police departments you would be cooked. Both provide security, for us to live in a FREE country. That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). there is a reason why all the wars are abroad... the US military japan tried and failed they were the only ones if it wasn't for our military might, we more than likely would have been invaded before now but now the invasion comes from within our borders your saying the WTC and all the other terroristic acts was our own fault, by our actions towards the muslims and their countries. then why is it a world wide problem? all the bombings i have seen have been everywhere, not just in any one country? What leads you to think "military might" has prevented invasions? We've had our share of invasions, 9/11 being an obvious example. Yes, the WTC and previous terrorists attacks were the result of flawed policy. The CIA calls it "blowback". (you did know that Osama Bin Laden was on the Feds' payroll once upon a time, yes?) The reasons terrorism happens around the world are manifold. Since 3rd world nations can't afford giant war machines, terror is their mode of war. (as the old saying goes "war is the rich man's terror, terror is the poor man's war") The terrorists are doing what the FedGov is doing, only informally and without uniformed troops and such. The terror incidents in places like Britian occur because they help the FedGov. Of course there are random wackos, but that happens here too. (remember the nutcase who killed a siek after 9/11?) Perhaps you should ask yourself why Switzerland doesn't need to be in perpetual war on "terror" (they haven't even been attacked) even though they have similar "Western" values as the US. bbl, time for dinner. I'll write more tonite or maybe in the morning. Actually it has been proven that Osama was never on the payroll and never needed to be. He is one of the wealthiest people from on of the welathiest families in the world. |
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the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence. Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER! |
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the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence. Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER! You got it right ... |
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the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence. Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER! you talking about the off switch? i herd obama want it... |
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the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move The thing is that right is being taken away from within our own ranks. Those in power want us, dumb, ignorant and compliant. They don't want us to know the real truth, and will do anything they can to stop it from coming out. Why do you think there's hardly any real debate on issues like this, Obama's eligibility to be president, and 9-11 just to name a few things. Those in the media NEVER truly debate, they just put down and namecall. That's not a coincidence. Also, why are they trying so hard to censor the net? THEY KNOW ITS' POWER! you talking about the off switch? i herd obama want it... That, and also censoring youtube videos that are too real, not allowing access to certain sites in particular places now, etc. The off switch would be the final step, but it's been long since going on in subtle ways. |
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The Military or the state doesn't provide you the security? Really? If it wern't for the might of the US Military, we would be cooked. If it wern't for the might of the local and state police departments you would be cooked. Both provide security, for us to live in a FREE country. That's right, the military only provides the illusion of security. Again, read the Anti-Federalist papers and Thomas Jefferson's writings. The military's job is not national defense. It is strictly for foreign wars abroad (not illegal invasions like the WOT). there is a reason why all the wars are abroad... the US military japan tried and failed they were the only ones if it wasn't for our military might, we more than likely would have been invaded before now but now the invasion comes from within our borders your saying the WTC and all the other terroristic acts was our own fault, by our actions towards the muslims and their countries. then why is it a world wide problem? all the bombings i have seen have been everywhere, not just in any one country? What leads you to think "military might" has prevented invasions? We've had our share of invasions, 9/11 being an obvious example. Yes, the WTC and previous terrorists attacks were the result of flawed policy. The CIA calls it "blowback". (you did know that Osama Bin Laden was on the Feds' payroll once upon a time, yes?) The reasons terrorism happens around the world are manifold. Since 3rd world nations can't afford giant war machines, terror is their mode of war. (as the old saying goes "war is the rich man's terror, terror is the poor man's war") The terrorists are doing what the FedGov is doing, only informally and without uniformed troops and such. The terror incidents in places like Britian occur because they help the FedGov. Of course there are random wackos, but that happens here too. (remember the nutcase who killed a siek after 9/11?) Perhaps you should ask yourself why Switzerland doesn't need to be in perpetual war on "terror" (they haven't even been attacked) even though they have similar "Western" values as the US. bbl, time for dinner. I'll write more tonite or maybe in the morning. Actually it has been proven that Osama was never on the payroll and never needed to be. He is one of the wealthiest people from on of the welathiest families in the world. False. The CIA trained Bin Laden to "aid" the Afghans's war against the Soviets. |
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