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Topic: Your murderous military caught on tape
heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Tue 07/06/10 04:09 PM Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Tue 07/06/10 04:11 PM
I will NOT automatically start trashmouthing troops in a war zone who have every reason to take whatever action is needed to protect themselves and their buds ... this is a non-issue. This is NOT a Sunday school playground ... what you may THINK you see probably isn't what you THOUGHT it was. There's 'civilian eyes' and 'military eyes'. I'll put my money on the troops on the ground. This "incident" was not "on the ground". It was an irrational rain of death and terror from a helicopter. If you listened to the audio of the vid, their conversation and actions are clear even to "civilians". You're right that it's "NOT a Sunday school playground"-which is why the military shouldn't be there in the first place (especially without a declaration of war)! Since there is no declared war, they are more accurately described as "occupying forces".

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/06/10 04:13 PM
I will NOT automatically start trashmouthing troops in a war zone who have every reason to take whatever action is needed to protect themselves and their buds ... this is a non-issue. This is NOT a Sunday school playground ... what you may THINK you see probably isn't what you THOUGHT it was. There's 'civilian eyes' and 'military eyes'. I'll put my money on the troops on the ground. yes, what he said...

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/06/10 04:17 PM
I will NOT automatically start trashmouthing troops in a war zone who have every reason to take whatever action is needed to protect themselves and their buds ... this is a non-issue. This is NOT a Sunday school playground ... what you may THINK you see probably isn't what you THOUGHT it was. There's 'civilian eyes' and 'military eyes'. I'll put my money on the troops on the ground. This "incident" was not "on the ground". It was an irrational rain of death and terror from a helicopter. If you listened to the audio of the vid, their conversation and actions are clear even to "civilians". You're right that it's "NOT a Sunday school playground"-which is why the military shouldn't be there in the first place (especially without a declaration of war)! Since there is no declared war, they are more accurately described as "occupying forces". i guess you would have been happy if the "civilian" took the rpg and destroyed the chopper and killed everyone in it... they don't have a choice in where they are sent, they have a job to and they HAVE to do it... if you have a problem with this propaganda BS, then take it up with the generals, not the soldiers doing their jobs.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Tue 07/06/10 04:23 PM
I will NOT automatically start trashmouthing troops in a war zone who have every reason to take whatever action is needed to protect themselves and their buds ... this is a non-issue. This is NOT a Sunday school playground ... what you may THINK you see probably isn't what you THOUGHT it was. There's 'civilian eyes' and 'military eyes'. I'll put my money on the troops on the ground. This "incident" was not "on the ground". It was an irrational rain of death and terror from a helicopter. If you listened to the audio of the vid, their conversation and actions are clear even to "civilians". You're right that it's "NOT a Sunday school playground"-which is why the military shouldn't be there in the first place (especially without a declaration of war)! Since there is no declared war, they are more accurately described as "occupying forces". i guess you would have been happy if the "civilian" took the rpg and destroyed the chopper and killed everyone in it... they don't have a choice in where they are sent, they have a job to and they HAVE to do it... if you have a problem with this propaganda BS, then take it up with the generals, not the soldiers doing their jobs. If the helicopter hadn't been there conducting an illegal war, this wouldn't have happened to start with.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 07/06/10 04:29 PM
The private who leaked this CLASSIFIED video is under court martial now. Who could imagine the clip will burst so much patriotism. [I am typing it from Baghdad. So I am qualified.] Yes, that private was indeed a great patriot in exposing the regime's lies. I know a number of anti-war vets who feel the same way. Those were my thoughts exactly - I salute and applaud those who serve with integrity, and consider the real heroes to be those who fight for truth.

DrRob Joined Tue 12/29/09 Posts: 419	Tue 07/06/10 04:31 PM
If the helicopter hadn't been there conducting an illegal war, this wouldn't have happened to start with. if id seen people with ONE rpg much less two,they would have been dead too.

massagetrade Joined Thu 02/22/07 Posts: 8505	Tue 07/06/10 04:32 PM
i guess you would have been happy if the "civilian" took the rpg and destroyed the chopper and killed everyone in it... You have strong feelings on this topic. Do you stand by your earlier suggestion that those who aren't involved should offer no opinion? I'd like to know how absolutist you are.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 07/06/10 05:06 PM
http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/04/06/vo.apache.reuters.journalists.cnn Here we see footage from the perspective of a helicopter "patrolling" in Afghanistan. The pilot lies to his commander about "subjects" being armed and murders about a half dozen innocent civilians. Don't watch if you are sensitive to extreme violence. Sigh this is old news. This has ben debated and the company Wikileaks admitted to editing the footage.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 07/06/10 05:07 PM
two guys had "cameras"...what did the other two men have in their hands? looked like an AK47 and rpg launcher to me. don't say anything unless you've been there!!! I'm inlove! A woman after my own heart!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/06/10 05:08 PM
the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/06/10 05:12 PM
i guess you would have been happy if the "civilian" took the rpg and destroyed the chopper and killed everyone in it... You have strong feelings on this topic. Do you stand by your earlier suggestion that those who aren't involved should offer no opinion? I'd like to know how absolutist you are. i never said that... i don't like people bashing the military. if you don't like this country, or its military, go find another country to live in

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 07/06/10 05:13 PM
I will NOT automatically start trashmouthing troops in a war zone who have every reason to take whatever action is needed to protect themselves and their buds ... this is a non-issue. This is NOT a Sunday school playground ... what you may THINK you see probably isn't what you THOUGHT it was. There's 'civilian eyes' and 'military eyes'. I'll put my money on the troops on the ground. This "incident" was not "on the ground". It was an irrational rain of death and terror from a helicopter. If you listened to the audio of the vid, their conversation and actions are clear even to "civilians". You're right that it's "NOT a Sunday school playground"-which is why the military shouldn't be there in the first place (especially without a declaration of war)! Since there is no declared war, they are more accurately described as "occupying forces". These guys are in harms way on a daily basis, not you. You don't see what they see, or feel what they feel. These guys are putting it on the line all day everyday for US

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/06/10 05:13 PM
opinion is one thing, bashing the military is different.

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/06/10 05:16 PM
the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head the kids were in the van, the pilots didn't know until the ground crews got there...that was bad, but it is war.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Tue 07/06/10 05:16 PM
i guess you would have been happy if the "civilian" took the rpg and destroyed the chopper and killed everyone in it... You have strong feelings on this topic. Do you stand by your earlier suggestion that those who aren't involved should offer no opinion? I'd like to know how absolutist you are. i never said that... i don't like people bashing the military. if you don't like this country, or its military, go find another country to live in Read the 1st amendment. I can bash the criminal military all I want. I would argue that your vision of "military" is so out of line with what was originally intended that YOU are the one who needs to move to another country to maintain your utopian vision of Nationalist Militarism.

Lpdon Joined Thu 02/25/10 Posts: 18772	Tue 07/06/10 05:17 PM
You know, the men and women of our military are prepared to take a bullet on the battlefield, it's part of the job. What they're not prepared for is taking one back home for doing thir job.

heavenlyboy34 Joined Fri 07/04/08 Posts: 17348	Tue 07/06/10 05:18 PM Edited by heavenlyboy34 on Tue 07/06/10 05:18 PM
the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head the kids were in the van, the pilots didn't know until the ground crews got there...that was bad, but it is war. This does not excuse war crimes such as those portrayed in the video.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/06/10 05:21 PM Edited by msharmony on Tue 07/06/10 05:22 PM
the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head the kids were in the van, the pilots didn't know until the ground crews got there...that was bad, but it is war. yes, my brother was a naval captain and he managed to stay grounded and take the job very seriously,,, now he is a doctor and he would never act like killing was noble or 'good' , let alone funny I kind of feel like the female in Avatar,, although killing is sometimes necessary, its not something I think anyone should ever start feeling 'good' or 'humored' with.. hearing those men laughing was the worst...

mightymoe Joined Sun 11/19/06 Posts: 37362	Tue 07/06/10 05:24 PM
the video shows clearly that death is not pretty thats about all I could clearly see though, I am not sure what was in those victims hands or what they were there for, I choose to believe the military did have some idea though and acted upon it as to reporters in a hot spot,,,that is definitely a choice that can be denied without penalty of law,, unlike those soldiers who had to be there as to the children, it saddens me that any child would be in the middle of this yeah, war , gun violence, death by military action, military occupation,,,,all very ugly things even uglier is how heartless some of these young soldiers are made to be to deal with such things,,,,,imagine, laughing at a dead body in the street,,,,, sometimes all I can do is shake my head the kids were in the van, the pilots didn't know until the ground crews got there...that was bad, but it is war. yes, my brother was a naval captain and he managed to stay grounded and take the job very seriously,,, now he is a doctor and he would never act like killing was noble or 'good' , let alone funny I kind of feel like the female in Avatar,, although killing is sometimes necessary, its not something I think anyone should ever start feeling 'good' or 'humored' with.. hearing those men laughing was the worst... i don't know what to say about that, i kinda feel like you do on what they were saying... but i never been in that position before, so i can't say much.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 07/06/10 05:26 PM Edited by msharmony on Tue 07/06/10 05:26 PM
the first thing that comes to mind for me about being in America and how we are set apart from others is that we have the right and possibly the duty to criticize things we feel are not right my preference is more towards acting to change them than whining about them,,,,but we have the choice to do either, to do neither, or to move