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2sparrows Joined Tue 06/15/10 Posts: 406	Tue 06/22/10 12:32 AM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset?

Queene123 Joined Tue 06/26/07 Posts: 17056	Tue 06/22/10 01:12 AM Edited by Queene123 on Tue 06/22/10 01:14 AM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? you gave me a good idea for a poem http://mingle2.com/topic/show/277188

Peter_Pan69 Joined Sun 08/23/09 Posts: 2781	Tue 06/22/10 01:16 AM Edited by Peter_Pan69 on Tue 06/22/10 01:19 AM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? All in fun, don't get mad. Litteraly, If you don't allow "the Spirit of the Creator" in, then you must be cast out of the village for a week. Metaphoricaly, By not letting "the Spirit of the Creator" in, you are wasting your life, but you will continue to get other chances. *edit: sorry, missed the part where death was the leaving of the womb. scratch "but you will continue to get other chances"

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 06/22/10 01:44 AM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? very clever visual analogy,, I get it , and I agree

Ladylid2012 Joined Sun 07/05/09 Posts: 42269	Tue 06/22/10 01:44 AM
Since my body is done fertilizing eggs and done with unfertilized eggs leaving on a tampon then I can just have sex for the fun of it and it has nothing to do with religion.....or any other belief except that I enjoy sex. In a 'religion' sense, if the body is done creating life is there no need for sex anymore?

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Tue 06/22/10 01:50 AM
Since my body is done fertilizing eggs and done with unfertilized eggs leaving on a tampon then I can just have sex for the fun of it and it has nothing to do with religion.....or any other belief except that I enjoy sex. In a 'religion' sense, if the body is done creating life is there no need for sex anymore? in a religous sense, I dont think sex is strictly for procreation but to reinforce the bond between husband and wife,,so even if a couple is doing such bonding during pregnancy or menopause, if there is the commitment,,,,,there is still a purpose

Dan99 Joined Sat 08/23/08 Posts: 14941	Tue 06/22/10 01:56 AM
Nice analogy, except for the 'spirit of the creator' garbage. I do not need god to make my sperm work. Mary didnt even need sperm. A virgin? Yeah right. dirty cow.

2sparrows Joined Tue 06/15/10 Posts: 406	Tue 06/22/10 08:43 PM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? very clever visual analogy,, I get it , and I agree If anyone was going to get this I knew it would be you!

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Tue 06/22/10 10:46 PM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? It doesn't mesh with my views in general at all. Nor does it make any sense in terms of any religion that I have ever heard of. I see no reason why a physical body should be required to create something as pure as a non-physical spirit. If I'm prepared to believe that I am spirit and can survive physical death, then why not also believe that I was spirit prior to the birth of my physical body? In other words, if I'm going to believe in spirit why not go all the way and believe in reincarnation. The analogy that you've proposed here appears to be as random and risky as it is for actual eggs and sperm. And egg is extremely lucky to be fertilized and basically really has very little to do with the process. The vast majority of eggs that end up on the Tampon are just extremely unlucky. The same would be true for human souls in this scenario. The very idea that humans come into being at birth and have only a single lifetime to copulate with the Holy Spirit and thus gain everylasting life, would be a very brutal and hopeless picture of life. The vast majority of humans would fail to copulate with the Holy Spirit. It would be a creator who truly does "Toss Dice" with human souls. Little babies and young children that die early on, would have little or no chance of copulating with the Holy Spirit to gain everlasting life. Teenagers who died during their rebellious unwise years would have never had the opportunity to grow old, wise, and humble. Thus they too would have been "cheated" out of their opportunity to copulate with the Holy Spirit. The familes and cultures that they are born into would be major factors in whether or not they are likely to copulate with the Holy Spirit before they physically die. In short, it would be an extremely inefficient way to 'raise' souls. Such a scenario could not be by wise design. Such a scenario could only occur because no better way could be found. This places extremely limitations on the power and glory of the creator. So no, in short, it doesn't mesh with my views at all. If we are spiritual beings I imagine that this is our true eternal nature and we've always existed and there will never be a time when we will cease to exist. Reincarntion is the most likely truth if we are indeed spiritual being, IMHO. On the other hand, if there is no such thing as spirit then the whole question is moot and all life is nothing more than a brief transient accidet. I personally don't buy into that either. So I guess I'm stuck with reincarnation until something better is suggested. Although, I can't imagine what could be better than that. An eternal "Heaven" under the rule of a single dictating Godhead does not appeal to me in the least. Sounds quite boring actually. If we have eternal life, I'm thinking that reincarnation is probably the best possible scenario. Anything else would quickly become boring.

2sparrows Joined Tue 06/15/10 Posts: 406	Tue 06/22/10 11:01 PM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? It doesn't mesh with my views in general at all. Nor does it make any sense in terms of any religion that I have ever heard of. I see no reason why a physical body should be required to create something as pure as a non-physical spirit. If I'm prepared to believe that I am spirit and can survive physical death, then why not also believe that I was spirit prior to the birth of my physical body? In other words, if I'm going to believe in spirit why not go all the way and believe in reincarnation. The analogy that you've proposed here appears to be as random and risky as it is for actual eggs and sperm. And egg is extremely lucky to be fertilized and basically really has very little to do with the process. The vast majority of eggs that end up on the Tampon are just extremely unlucky. The same would be true for human souls in this scenario. The very idea that humans come into being at birth and have only a single lifetime to copulate with the Holy Spirit and thus gain everylasting life, would be a very brutal and hopeless picture of life. The vast majority of humans would fail to copulate with the Holy Spirit. It would be a creator who truly does "Toss Dice" with human souls. Little babies and young children that die early on, would have little or no chance of copulating with the Holy Spirit to gain everlasting life. Teenagers who died during their rebellious unwise years would have never had the opportunity to grow old, wise, and humble. Thus they too would have been "cheated" out of their opportunity to copulate with the Holy Spirit. The familes and cultures that they are born into would be major factors in whether or not they are likely to copulate with the Holy Spirit before they physically die. In short, it would be an extremely inefficient way to 'raise' souls. Such a scenario could not be by wise design. Such a scenario could only occur because no better way could be found. This places extremely limitations on the power and glory of the creator. So no, in short, it doesn't mesh with my views at all. If we are spiritual beings I imagine that this is our true eternal nature and we've always existed and there will never be a time when we will cease to exist. Reincarntion is the most likely truth if we are indeed spiritual being, IMHO. On the other hand, if there is no such thing as spirit then the whole question is moot and all life is nothing more than a brief transient accidet. I personally don't buy into that either. So I guess I'm stuck with reincarnation until something better is suggested. Although, I can't imagine what could be better than that. An eternal "Heaven" under the rule of a single dictating Godhead does not appeal to me in the least. Sounds quite boring actually. If we have eternal life, I'm thinking that reincarnation is probably the best possible scenario. Anything else would quickly become boring. Ab.. all analogies break down at a certian point, and I believe you went well past that point...lol The post had to do with the shadows of reality...physcial hints at spiritual truth.

nicetallguy38 Joined Mon 09/07/09 Posts: 80	Tue 06/22/10 11:12 PM
So where does abortion fit in??

2sparrows Joined Tue 06/15/10 Posts: 406	Tue 06/22/10 11:16 PM
So where does abortion fit in?? LOL...at first, then I thought about it....In exactly the same place

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Wed 06/23/10 12:40 AM
So where does abortion fit in?? Abortion would basically be what I already described. Childern and young adults who die before they have a chance to be saved. That would be an 'abortion' in this situations since they haven't yet copulated with the Holy Spirit. Thus if we take this spiritual analogy seriously souls are being aborted quite naturally every day. Everyone who physically dies before they have been saved have basically been "aborted". It would be an extremely ineffient way to create spirits. That brings up an intersting question. Is the birth of a spirit just as risky and chancy as the birth of a physical body? If we take Sparrows analogy to be true, then I guess it is.

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/23/10 12:47 AM
risky for whom?

Abracadabra Joined Thu 04/12/07 Posts: 17851	Wed 06/23/10 01:05 AM
risky for whom? That's an interesting question. If the analogy holds it would be similar to eggs and sperm I guess. An egg contains DNA and a sperm contains DNA. Most eggs and sperm never meet or become a fetus. So the whole process was 'risky' for them and they all failed and died off. But supposedly it was no real "loss" because they were not considered to be 'alive'. On the other hand a fertlized egg goes on to become a conscious living being (assuming everything proceeds correctly during development) So in this analogy a "soul" who has not yet found "God" is like an unfertilzed egg. And therefore it's not really considered to be "life". So if this is true then there's nothing to be lost if God is not found. And therefore there is no "risk". In short, whether we find God or not is totally irrelevant and meaningless. In truth I don't believe in 'lost souls'. I don't believe in "life without God". In other words, as far as I'm concerned it impossible to exist seperate from God. So the very idea of "finding" God is an absurd notion to begin with. You can't exist outside of God. For if you could then what would you even need God for? So the idea that we need to 'find' God is a bogus notion to begin with. It's impossible to lose God.

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Wed 06/23/10 01:29 AM
How about the Spirit of the Creator enters us like food. If the person is healthy they take this sustenance and grow physically and spiritually....and well...You are what you eat!

msharmony Joined Mon 08/31/09 Posts: 61041	Wed 06/23/10 01:30 AM
Im not sure about finding or losing God. I saw the analogy as a comparison between existing in a limited capacity and being born into a broad and (much less limited) world. The eggs are still a life but they are very limited in their capacity or potential until they are fertilized. Much like the soul , except the process of fertilization, in which God is welcomed, would be voluntary and not coincidental or accidental,and birth would be the eternal life that exists beyond the mortal( or womb ).

s1owhand Joined Fri 05/18/07 Posts: 29437	Wed 06/23/10 01:48 AM
Im not sure about finding or losing God. I saw the analogy as a comparison between existing in a limited capacity and being born into a broad and (much less limited) world. The eggs are still a life but they are very limited in their capacity or potential until they are fertilized. Much like the soul , except the process of fertilization, in which God is welcomed, would be voluntary and not coincidental or accidental,and birth would be the eternal life that exists beyond the mortal( or womb ). voluntary and not coincidental...

CowboyGH Joined Mon 10/05/09 Posts: 13651	Wed 06/23/10 02:00 AM Edited by CowboyGH on Wed 06/23/10 02:04 AM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? LoL your post brought to mind a parody and or word meaning the same. When we are young we would be eggs. Finding Jesus Christ is the sexual intercourse. And living after what Jesus has told us would be the incubation/growth period. If we live right/grow correctly in the womb we are born into the kingdom of heaven. ---------------------------------- "The same would be true for human souls in this scenario. The very idea that humans come into being at birth and have only a single lifetime to copulate with the Holy Spirit and thus gain everylasting life, would be a very brutal and hopeless picture of life. The vast majority of humans would fail to copulate with the Holy Spirit" ---------------------------------- And is why God said "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God"

nicetallguy38 Joined Mon 09/07/09 Posts: 80	Wed 06/23/10 06:16 AM
Humans in this life are much like a egg in a womans womb. Unfertilized it just passes on. But when the Spirit of the Creator enters a human it is like the sperm that enters the egg...life begins. Fertilized or unfertilized while in this life we are still in the womb. Death in this life is much like leaving the womb.The fertilized egg leaves as a new life into a new world. The unfertilized egg leaves the womb on a tampon. How does this mesh with your religion, belief,or mindset? LoL your post brought to mind a parody and or word meaning the same. When we are young we would be eggs. Finding Jesus Christ is the sexual intercourse. And living after what Jesus has told us would be the incubation/growth period. If we live right/grow correctly in the womb we are born into the kingdom of heaven. ---------------------------------- "The same would be true for human souls in this scenario. The very idea that humans come into being at birth and have only a single lifetime to copulate with the Holy Spirit and thus gain everylasting life, would be a very brutal and hopeless picture of life. The vast majority of humans would fail to copulate with the Holy Spirit" ---------------------------------- And is why God said "And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God" So Satan is a condom? Wait a second ... condom - condemn!! We may be on to something!!!!!