Quick thought .. Im not bashing anybody nor questioning anyones faith just seeking an honest response ... This thread got me pondering of all the stories of god/God fertilizing eggs. Why is it that the stories of Hercules / Clash of The Titans guy (mind went blank) and the others Zeus spawned are treated as MYTHology but yet God spawning Jesus is treated as fact by most? Yet they have the same amount of proof .. words written in a book. Is it a historical timeline thing?

Because no one went around with swords and armies demanding the people believe in Zeus or fact extreme harrassment or possible death.

Christianity was spread by force, fear, and threat.

Are you familiar with what the Christians did to the library at Alexandira? That was a "Pagan" institution! The Christians would have non of that Pagan crap! They ripped Hypatia apart and then destoryed the whole foundation of pagan culture.

Christianity was spread by force.

Have you ever read the history of scientists who suggested that the Earth was not at the center of the unvierse?

That was basically considered to be blaspheme!

In fact, as late as the 1700's, even great scholars like Isaac Newton could not publicly voice their opinions that they didn't believe that Jesus was God. To do so could get a person hung at worse, or at least finanically ruined and run out of town at best.

We don't see this today because we have freedom of speech. But it wasn't all that long ago that you wouldn't dare deny that Jesus is God or you would be facing some serious charges and social difficulties.

So that's why it grew to become such a 'well-believed-in' religion. Deny it and you're dead meet.

Plus the Holy Book itself demands that the only single "unforgivable sin" is to deny the Holy Spirit. And since it comes from that book, which is suppose to be the "Word of God", then to deny the Bible is to deny the Holy Spirit.

I don't think there was anything in the Greek religion of Zeus that demanded that Zeus was obscessive about being jealous or that he demanded that anyone believed in him. The Greeks just believed because they believed. Not because anyone threated to harm them if they refused to believe.

I think that's why Christianity convered the Greeks over so easily. There wasn't any real resistance built into the Greek Mythology. It never demanded that anyone has to believe it. It just assumed you would believe it.

The authors of the Bible were truly devious in this regard. They demanded that you believe what they wrote or else!!! You would be sorely sorry and God will hate you as well as the church and the community and everybody. Don't even THINK about rejecting their book as the word of God. That's a BIG NO-NO!

GOD the ultimate Baby Daddy!!

Quick thought .. Im not bashing anybody nor questioning anyones faith just seeking an honest response ... This thread got me pondering of all the stories of god/God fertilizing eggs. Why is it that the stories of Hercules / Clash of The Titans guy (mind went blank) and the others Zeus spawned are treated as MYTHology but yet God spawning Jesus is treated as fact by most? Yet they have the same amount of proof .. words written in a book. Is it a historical timeline thing?

Dear Abra;

There is some truth in what you have written, but AGAIN you misidentify the participants

With all due respect Sparrows, there is no misidentity. It's written right in the Bible. It's the authors of the book that made these proclamations.

You keep acting like you have your own idea of what constitutes a "real Christian". But that's your own personal delusion.

The authors of Bible have something else to say entirely. They are making a claim that Jesus was the sacrificial lamb of the God of the Old Testament. They also have Jesus saying that he did not come to change the law, and that not on jot nor one tittle shall pass from law.

Well, it was God's Law that heathens are not to be tolerated. There are places in the Old Testament where God specifically states that it's the duty of his people to look into anyone suspected of being a heathen, and to kill them including their wives and childern and the entire village from whence they came.

Now if you believe that Jesus is the Son of Yawhew and did not come to change the law one jot nor one tittle, then there's absolutely no reason to believe that his old law has changed.

I would love for Christianity to be the "bleeding heart" religion of Jesus too. But let's face it, that's just not possible based on scritpure.

Even YOU use the Old Testament to renounce things like homosexuality. Jesus never even mentioned the topic.

So if you can use the OT to renounce homosexuality in God's name, then why can't other people be just as justified in proclaiming that the murdering of Heathens should also still be in effect?

A lot of Christians belief that the moral teachings of Jesus only apply to "God's people". In other words, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", only applies to those who believe in God, it just doesn't apply to heathens at all.

That's a valid point of view, and that's precisely the view that the early church took.

In fact, to dismiss that view you'd have to explain why Jesus LIED when he said that he did not come to change the law and not one jot nor one tittle will pass from law.

It's a seriously problematic religion when taken "seriously".

fulfill

2 a : to put into effect : execute b : to meet the requirements of (a business order) c : to bring to an end d : to measure up to : satisfy

change

2 a : to replace with another <let's change the subject> b : to make a shift from one to another : switch <always changes sides in an argument> c : to exchange for an equivalent sum of money (as in smaller denominations or in a foreign currency) <change a 20-dollar bill> d : to undergo a modification of <foliage changing color> e : to put fresh clothes or covering on <change a bed>
intransitive verb

Mt 5:17-18
Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished

( If I have a list of things , I plan to accomplish the list,, as I complete each task, I am not changing my list,, but fulfilling it)


I do find it interesting that Jesus did not specifically speak to many things,,did he expect his FOLLOWERS to know certain things? His entire sermon on the mount concerned how MEN should act,, would that mean he didnt care how women carried themselves? He didnt speak specifically about beating a woman,, but did that mean he didnt think it was important?

My opinion, as I have often said in the political forum, is no one can cover EVERY topic and be EVERY PLACE doing EVERY THING at one time. A sermon covers specific items and the next one covers other items,, and so forth. Perhaps this sermon was included in the Bible because other laws were expected to just be known or perhaps they had been covered in other sermons. We must remember, no book could possibly record EVERY action and EVERY word anyone has ever said if they have lived any length of time,,,it would take too much paper,,lol

exactly and just like the old saying what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

And in a family the man is the head of the family, meaning he is the one to set the example.

If you nottice the bible specifically says "man" through out the bible, but very seldom give rules specifically for women. That is cause the laws are for us ALL to abide minus the ones that specifically say woman, those are just specifically for the women.

fulfill

2 a : to put into effect : execute b : to meet the requirements of (a business order) c : to bring to an end d : to measure up to : satisfy

change

2 a : to replace with another <let's change the subject> b : to make a shift from one to another : switch <always changes sides in an argument> c : to exchange for an equivalent sum of money (as in smaller denominations or in a foreign currency) <change a 20-dollar bill> d : to undergo a modification of <foliage changing color> e : to put fresh clothes or covering on <change a bed>
intransitive verb

Mt 5:17-18
Don’t think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn’t come to destroy, but to fulfill. For most assuredly, I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law, until all things are accomplished

( If I have a list of things , I plan to accomplish the list,, as I complete each task, I am not changing my list,, but fulfilling it)


I do find it interesting that Jesus did not specifically speak to many things,,did he expect his FOLLOWERS to know certain things? His entire sermon on the mount concerned how MEN should act,, would that mean he didnt care how women carried themselves? He didnt speak specifically about beating a woman,, but did that mean he didnt think it was important?

My opinion, as I have often said in the political forum, is no one can cover EVERY topic and be EVERY PLACE doing EVERY THING at one time. A sermon covers specific items and the next one covers other items,, and so forth. Perhaps this sermon was included in the Bible because other laws were expected to just be known or perhaps they had been covered in other sermons. We must remember, no book could possibly record EVERY action and EVERY word anyone has ever said if they have lived any length of time,,,it would take too much paper,,lol

I happen to agree, but I didnt want to get into the whole christian man as the head thing (get peoples heads rolling and frothing at the mouth with that one..lol)