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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? How do you know all those people are now straight? How do you know they're not lying to make others happy and leave them alone? If you are saying gays always stay gay and never go straight then you are living on some other planet. If you are attracted to the same sex, no matter what your reasons would be for denying it, you are still gay or bi. A person can be gay and be in a heterosexual relationship. They would be denying their attractions but it can be done. Also the reverse could happen but in our society probably not to often. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. Ok, but what about those that DON'T change for that reason, and actually do legitimately become straight. If they are attracted to the same sex, they are gay, regardless to if they decide to go straight. If you are attracted to the same sex you are gay or bi. It is really that simple and there is nothing wrong with either one. Just because one person doesn't fit into the boxes others create for them doesn't make them wrong. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. I didn't say everyone was born gay.I am saying there are millions of people in the last 20 or so years that were formally gay and decided to turn straight.I personaly know of at least 3 women including one who was my girlfriend for 3 years who said they were formally lesibans and turned straight.I have read countless stories of movie stars,musicians,and others who were formally gay and changed their mind and got married to people of the opposite sex. How many women out there have had some type of fling including a sexual relationship with another woman at some point in their life?I wouldn't be surprised if the results were upward of 60 to 70%.Yet all those women are not gay. |
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I didn't say everyone was born gay.I am saying there are millions of people in the last 20 or so years that were formally gay and decided to turn straight.I personaly know of at least 3 women including one who was my girlfriend for 3 years who said they were formally lesibans and turned straight.I have read countless stories of movie stars,musicians,and others who were formally gay and changed their mind and got married to people of the opposite sex. How many women out there have had some type of fling including a sexual relationship with another woman at some point in their life?I wouldn't be surprised if the results were upward of 60 to 70%.Yet all those women are not gay. No, the definition there would be bisexual. Just because someone previously with a member of the same sex is now with a person of the opposite sex does not mean that the attraction to the same sex is gone. It means they are attracted to both sexes and decided to live their live with whom they fell in love with, and that person happened to be someone of the opposite sex. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. Ok, but what about those that DON'T change for that reason, and actually do legitimately become straight. If they are attracted to the same sex, they are gay, regardless to if they decide to go straight. If you are attracted to the same sex you are gay or bi. It is really that simple and there is nothing wrong with either one. Just because one person doesn't fit into the boxes others create for them doesn't make them wrong. So even if they become straight legitimately they're still gay? Nice logic on that one. |
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I didn't say everyone was born gay.I am saying there are millions of people in the last 20 or so years that were formally gay and decided to turn straight.I personaly know of at least 3 women including one who was my girlfriend for 3 years who said they were formally lesibans and turned straight.I have read countless stories of movie stars,musicians,and others who were formally gay and changed their mind and got married to people of the opposite sex. How many women out there have had some type of fling including a sexual relationship with another woman at some point in their life?I wouldn't be surprised if the results were upward of 60 to 70%.Yet all those women are not gay. No, the definition there would be bisexual. Just because someone previously with a member of the same sex is now with a person of the opposite sex does not mean that the attraction to the same sex is gone. It means they are attracted to both sexes and decided to live their live with whom they fell in love with. But is this always the case? You're making a big assumption if you say yes. Not everyone who goes from gay to straight is gonna be bi then, people change for different reasons and in different ways. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. Ok, but what about those that DON'T change for that reason, and actually do legitimately become straight. If they are attracted to the same sex, they are gay, regardless to if they decide to go straight. If you are attracted to the same sex you are gay or bi. It is really that simple and there is nothing wrong with either one. Just because one person doesn't fit into the boxes others create for them doesn't make them wrong. So even if they become straight legitimately they're still gay? Nice logic on that one. Do you really believe that if they go straight that they stop being attracted to the same sex?? If you do you are not thinking clearly. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. Ok, but what about those that DON'T change for that reason, and actually do legitimately become straight. If they are attracted to the same sex, they are gay, regardless to if they decide to go straight. If you are attracted to the same sex you are gay or bi. It is really that simple and there is nothing wrong with either one. Just because one person doesn't fit into the boxes others create for them doesn't make them wrong. So even if they become straight legitimately they're still gay? Nice logic on that one. Do you really believe that if they go straight that they stop being attracted to the same sex?? If you do you are not thinking clearly. I think anyone can change if they really want to, or at the very least change how they react to things. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. I didn't say everyone was born gay.I am saying there are millions of people in the last 20 or so years that were formally gay and decided to turn straight.I personaly know of at least 3 women including one who was my girlfriend for 3 years who said they were formally lesibans and turned straight.I have read countless stories of movie stars,musicians,and others who were formally gay and changed their mind and got married to people of the opposite sex. How many women out there have had some type of fling including a sexual relationship with another woman at some point in their life?I wouldn't be surprised if the results were upward of 60 to 70%.Yet all those women are not gay. Those women are bi sexual at the least. No matter what. They are attracted to the same sex. And even when they are with men they are attracted to women. |
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People who are born Black or born Asian are born that way and can not change that fact.Gays are not born that way because they can choose who they want to love and have sex with.I have yet to see a person who for what ever reason was unable to make a descision because they said making that descision was mentally impossible.
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I didn't say everyone was born gay.I am saying there are millions of people in the last 20 or so years that were formally gay and decided to turn straight.I personaly know of at least 3 women including one who was my girlfriend for 3 years who said they were formally lesibans and turned straight.I have read countless stories of movie stars,musicians,and others who were formally gay and changed their mind and got married to people of the opposite sex. How many women out there have had some type of fling including a sexual relationship with another woman at some point in their life?I wouldn't be surprised if the results were upward of 60 to 70%.Yet all those women are not gay. No, the definition there would be bisexual. Just because someone previously with a member of the same sex is now with a person of the opposite sex does not mean that the attraction to the same sex is gone. It means they are attracted to both sexes and decided to live their live with whom they fell in love with. But is this always the case? You're making a big assumption if you say yes. Not everyone who goes from gay to straight is gonna be bi then, people change for different reasons and in different ways. No it is not always the case, but in answer to Thomas' question, with the exception of those who lie to themselves to try to please a hateful society, yes, it is the case. As Dragoness said, you can't just STOP being attracted to someone. You couldn't suddenly STOP being attracted to women any more than I could suddenly start being attracted to men. |
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There has never been a shred of evidence that anyone was every born gay.I urge anyone who believes this non sense to post facts from some type of source we can take seriously. http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?i… http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/n… http://www.livescience.com/health/080617… http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregna… http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904… You gave me a bunch of dead links and one page that was all based on one mans research that listed traits of homosexuals.Furthermore it was all based on theories and nothing backed up by any real science. Sorry try again. Even if people were born gay then how do you explain the millions of men and women that are straight now?Are you saying they were cured overnight?One day they are gay the next straight?Are you saying if someone is born gay and they are dating straight people then they need couseling to be gay again? No one said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Are you going to answer my question? If someone claims to be born gay and changes his or her life to a straight life should that person be sent into therapy so a doctor can change this person back to being gay again? Again, because you didn't seem to see my response to that statement. No one ever said EVERYONE is born gay. GAY people are born gay. Those that decide later on in life not to live life as who they are do so for their own reasons, probably the biggest of those being that certain people make their life miserable with their constant small-minded, ruthless prying into their personal lives and refusal to believe that something is just not possible because THEY don't agree with it. Ok, but what about those that DON'T change for that reason, and actually do legitimately become straight. If they are attracted to the same sex, they are gay, regardless to if they decide to go straight. If you are attracted to the same sex you are gay or bi. It is really that simple and there is nothing wrong with either one. Just because one person doesn't fit into the boxes others create for them doesn't make them wrong. So even if they become straight legitimately they're still gay? Nice logic on that one. Do you really believe that if they go straight that they stop being attracted to the same sex?? If you do you are not thinking clearly. I think anyone can change if they really want to, or at the very least change how they react to things. They will always be attracted to what they are attracted to. Regardless to if they decide to go with men or whatever. Once you are attracted to something you very seldom change that attraction. Whether you act on it or not doesn't make you not gay or bi though. |
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I didn't say everyone was born gay.I am saying there are millions of people in the last 20 or so years that were formally gay and decided to turn straight.I personaly know of at least 3 women including one who was my girlfriend for 3 years who said they were formally lesibans and turned straight.I have read countless stories of movie stars,musicians,and others who were formally gay and changed their mind and got married to people of the opposite sex. How many women out there have had some type of fling including a sexual relationship with another woman at some point in their life?I wouldn't be surprised if the results were upward of 60 to 70%.Yet all those women are not gay. No, the definition there would be bisexual. Just because someone previously with a member of the same sex is now with a person of the opposite sex does not mean that the attraction to the same sex is gone. It means they are attracted to both sexes and decided to live their live with whom they fell in love with. But is this always the case? You're making a big assumption if you say yes. Not everyone who goes from gay to straight is gonna be bi then, people change for different reasons and in different ways. No it is not always the case, but in answer to Thomas' question, with the exception of those who lie to themselves to try to please a hateful society, yes, it is the case. As Dragoness said, you can't just STOP being attracted to someone. You couldn't suddenly STOP being attracted to women any more than I could suddenly start being attracted to men. Maybe you can't STOP, but......you can change how you react. I think you're blinded to your own prejudices honestly if you think EVERYONE who goes from gay to straight is gonna be the same way, and yes I know you're gonna say I am too, but I don't care if you do feel that way or not. |
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I had 15,400,000 webpage hits for "formerly gay" in the Yahoo search.That should give you more than enough stories from formerly gay people who turned straight.
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People who are born Black or born Asian are born that way and can not change that fact.Gays are not born that way because they can choose who they want to love and have sex with.I have yet to see a person who for what ever reason was unable to make a descision because they said making that descision was mentally impossible. Yes gay people can choose who they have sex with, same as straight people. Does not in any way mean we can choose who we are attracted to, and a person attracted to the same sex is by definition either gay or bisexual, regardless of whether those feelings are acted upon or not. And NO ONE, gay, straight, bi, whatever, can choose who they WANT to love. |
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Gay or bi sexuality is a born trait. And there is nothing wrong with it.
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People who are born Black or born Asian are born that way and can not change that fact.Gays are not born that way because they can choose who they want to love and have sex with.I have yet to see a person who for what ever reason was unable to make a descision because they said making that descision was mentally impossible. Yes gay people can choose who they have sex with, same as straight people. Does not in any way mean we can choose who we are attracted to, and a person attracted to the same sex is by definition either gay or bisexual, regardless of whether those feelings are acted upon or not. And NO ONE, gay, straight, bi, whatever, can choose who they WANT to love. So are you saying if someone loves someone but the relationship is unhealthy, they don't have the choice to leave? That idea is utterly asinine. |
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Maybe you can't STOP, but......you can change how you react. I think you're blinded to your own prejudices honestly if you think EVERYONE who goes from gay to straight is gonna be the same way, and yes I know you're gonna say I am too, but I don't care if you do feel that way or not. Again, and for the last time, lying to myself would do far more damage to me and my life than ANYTHING small-minded bigotry can come up with. I am gay. I am not ashamed of that. I am not going to suddenly start dating men because someone tells me I am wrong for feeling the way I feel. Were I to do that, I would not be me. |
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People who are born Black or born Asian are born that way and can not change that fact.Gays are not born that way because they can choose who they want to love and have sex with.I have yet to see a person who for what ever reason was unable to make a descision because they said making that descision was mentally impossible. Yes gay people can choose who they have sex with, same as straight people. Does not in any way mean we can choose who we are attracted to, and a person attracted to the same sex is by definition either gay or bisexual, regardless of whether those feelings are acted upon or not. And NO ONE, gay, straight, bi, whatever, can choose who they WANT to love. So are you saying if someone loves someone but the relationship is unhealthy, they don't have the choice to leave? That idea is utterly asinine. Gay is not unhealthy. |
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Maybe you can't STOP, but......you can change how you react. I think you're blinded to your own prejudices honestly if you think EVERYONE who goes from gay to straight is gonna be the same way, and yes I know you're gonna say I am too, but I don't care if you do feel that way or not. Again, and for the last time, lying to myself would do far more damage to me and my life than ANYTHING small-minded bigotry can come up with. I am gay. I am not ashamed of that. I am not going to suddenly start dating men because someone tells me I am wrong for feeling the way I feel. Were I to do that, I would not be me. I am not asking you to change, your life is your own. My comment had nothing to do with that. What I simply was saying, was that I think your bias on this impact your viewpoint. |
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