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Topic: RP speaks the truth about US role in Israel/arab conflict(cs
s1owhand's photo
Thu 06/10/10 06:15 PM


Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do.

THE HELL IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mad


And there was no "Israel" till 1917 (the Balfour declaration).


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except for the best documented ancient country in history dating back about 4000 years...

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http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/History/HISTORY-+Biblical+Times.htm

Terminal1's photo
Fri 06/11/10 09:02 AM
Edited by Terminal1 on Fri 06/11/10 09:03 AM



Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do.

THE HELL IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mad


And there was no "Israel" till 1917 (the Balfour declaration).


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except for the best documented ancient country in history dating back about 4000 years...

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sad

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http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/History/HISTORY-+Biblical+Times.htm


What is forgotten here is that Moses, Joshua and Aaron pretty much ethically cleansed the entire area. Not only did they kill every man woman and child, but they killed anything that had a heartbeat.

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Sat 06/12/10 09:20 AM



Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do.

THE HELL IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mad


And there was no "Israel" till 1917 (the Balfour declaration).


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except for the best documented ancient country in history dating back about 4000 years...

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sad

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http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/History/HISTORY-+Biblical+Times.htm


when did propaganda become viable source information? laugh

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Sat 06/12/10 01:39 PM









Au contraire, you are mistaken. Educate YOURSELF by reading "The Controversy Of Zion" and research the USS Liberty.


Don't be silly. I know about the USS Liberty and I know about the ridiculous Zionist conspiracy theories. This book is just a transparent false rehash of the infamous antisemitic forgery "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion". This has nothing to do with Hamas - you bring it up only because you have no real justification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

In my post above I explained that Hamas grew out of the Muslim Brotherhood which predates Israel.


You'll find that the State of Israel is not the peaceful neighbor and US ally that the controlled US media would have you believe. The State of Israel does a TERRIBLE disservice to true and virtuous Jews worldwide. tears

P.S. There's plenty of racism and barbarism on the Israeli side, too.


Save your tears. Israel has been at war pretty much since before her existence. That means protecting her citizens and armed conflict - I know they are neither pussycats nor blameless - but again it has nothing to do with Hamas.

Israel uses checkpoints and only attacks those who launch rockets or bomb them. If Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Fatah, the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade and Hizbullah and their ilk stopped attacking innocent civilians the fighting would be over and the Palestinians could begin to live their lives and prosper in peace and security. Simple as that. Checkpoints are not the same as bus bombs and purposefully killing civilians with no other goal except to kill civilians. That is the difference between Israel and Hamas.

That is what should disgust you, honestly.






I should be disgusted that Arabs are defending their historical homeland? what The modern "nation" of Israel was created in the 50's-land stolen from Arabs. Prior to that, "Israel" was nothing more than a group of wandering semitic tribes.

Further, by your logic, it should be okay to target women and children in war (the way that the Israeli State does).


It is no more the Arabs historical homeland than the Israelis historical homeland. Israel is one of the first documented countries historically and Jews have lived there continuously since antiquity despite many conquerors and expulsions. It has NEVER been a documented Arab country.

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The Israelis go out of their way to WARN women and children about any military action. Dropping leaflets, broadcasting on radio, even phone calls in areas where there are military operations!!

Compare that to Hamas tactics where they bomb buses, school cafeterias and restaurants and markets....Compare it to shooting rockets into cities indiscriminately TRYING mind you to actually kill as many people as possible.

Who teaches ethnic hatred in kindergarten, glorifying martyrdom against infidels and making antisemitic and violence glorifying cartoons for their children? Hamas and Hizbullah. Not Israel. Right.

Israel is doing an admirable job. Sure they have their problems.
But overall it is a free press, open democracy with complete freedom of religion and a place of equality for women. They have been surviving with the daily threat of 911 style terrorist attacks for decades and yet for the most part remain an optimistic and well adjusted society with incredible technical innovation, robust agriculture, and a growing economy. Much to admire there. I admire them. If the Palestinians put down their weapons they could prosper too - even as allies of the Israelis when they so choose.

As I see it the main obstacle is ignorance and prejudice with a radical Islamic fundamentalism which denies the equality of Jews and Christians and other religions as they seek to force their backward ways on everyone else.


Would a "leaflet campaign" make it okay for Russia to bomb your neighborhood if they claim they're after "terrorists"? FYI, there's also a radical faction of Jews who equate Arabs to "pigs" and advocate genocide against them. There are few innocent parties in the dispute-and they usually end up killed in the crossfire. :cry:

Since you (and most Americans) are so terribly ignorant of foreign conflicts, it seems like better, smarter policy to stay out of it.


Nonsense. If there were terrorists in my neighborhood our government would ARREST them.

Please give references to the radical Israeli faction which advocates genocide against Arabs. I don't believe you. But IF
there are any isolated nutcases then it is nothing compared to having the leaders of a political parties or even a country advocate genocide against the Israelis as does Hamas, Hizbullah and Iran.

Innocent parties killed in crossfire is terrible. Bus bombs are worse as they are intentional war crimes.

Ignorant? Please. Let those who read this thread decide who is ignorant. I have carefully documented my positions. Anyone can check out my arguments. I'm confident it will be obvious to most who read this that my positions are well informed whereas others claims cannot be supported. And I will speak the truth.

It is natural for Christians and those of other religions to support Israel because fundamentalist radical Islam discriminates against one and all just as they discriminate against Israel. Now that we all have been victimized by 911, the transit bombings in Europe, the Islamic attacks in Russia and the hotel bombings in India and Australia - it is much easier for the world to understand the unjust hatred and violence directed at Israel and sympathize with the Israelis.


I can give you a name of one Israeli group you may be interested in-Mossad. They have committed unjust assassinations (inflaming conflict) and have spied on sensitive US operations.


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Mossad is the intelligence service of Israel. Their policy is the same as Israeli policy. Which is not to harm anyone unless they are attacking Israel. Good grief. I want to see a credible news report that some large organization in Israel advocates killing Arabs or Palestinians this is what you claimed. But I never heard of it and I am well informed. So I don't believe you.

The unjust actions you refer to may be the killing of terrorists who have planned and carried out mass murder of Israelis. I think they should go after them just as we are going after Bin Laden. It is their duty to protect Israelis as it is the duty of our government to protect us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad


Yeah, and the CIA is acting in our best interests when they assassinate foreigners.noway You've been drinking too much Establishment kool-aid, my friend. Look up Viktor Ostrovsky. He defected from Mossad and wrote about the agency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ostrovsky
Victor Ostrovsky is a Loudmouth Snook,who doesn't know Diddlysquat!
A Fieldagent in any Secret Service is never privy to all of the Secrets that Organization has.
Whatever he doesn't know,he makes up,and muddles the rest!laugh

The Chief of any Intelligence Service sending out anyone that has knowledge of the Whole Apparatus would be an Idiot indeed.
Definitely he wouldn't be an INTELLIGENCE Director!laugh

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Sat 06/12/10 01:52 PM




Hamas begins unprovoked rocket attacks from Gaza and Israel responds thus making clear that Israel is the ugly ogre in the situation. Since there was no such place as the nation of Palestine prior to 1948, I am wondering why Egypt, Jordan, or Syria have not created a homeland for these folks who are ethnically theirs. Moreover, when a nation of Palestine was offered upon the creation of Israel, the Arabs rejected it in favor of pushing for the destruction of Israel instead. We see how that effort has played out over the last 60 years. We should of course turn our back on the only true and functioning democracy in the middle east, it’s the right thing to do.

THE HELL IT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!mad


And there was no "Israel" till 1917 (the Balfour declaration).


laugh

except for the best documented ancient country in history dating back about 4000 years...

laugh

sad

laugh

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Facts+About+Israel/History/HISTORY-+Biblical+Times.htm


What is forgotten here is that Moses, Joshua and Aaron pretty much ethically cleansed the entire area. Not only did they kill every man woman and child, but they killed anything that had a heartbeat.


That's exactly right. drinker

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