It is no more the Arabs historical homeland than the Israelis historical homeland. Israel is one of the first documented countries historically and Jews have lived there continuously since antiquity despite many conquerors and expulsions. It has NEVER been a documented Arab country.



The Israelis go out of their way to WARN women and children about any military action. Dropping leaflets, broadcasting on radio, even phone calls in areas where there are military operations!!

Compare that to Hamas tactics where they bomb buses, school cafeterias and restaurants and markets....Compare it to shooting rockets into cities indiscriminately TRYING mind you to actually kill as many people as possible.

Who teaches ethnic hatred in kindergarten, glorifying martyrdom against infidels and making antisemitic and violence glorifying cartoons for their children? Hamas and Hizbullah. Not Israel. Right.

Israel is doing an admirable job. Sure they have their problems.
But overall it is a free press, open democracy with complete freedom of religion and a place of equality for women. They have been surviving with the daily threat of 911 style terrorist attacks for decades and yet for the most part remain an optimistic and well adjusted society with incredible technical innovation, robust agriculture, and a growing economy. Much to admire there. I admire them. If the Palestinians put down their weapons they could prosper too - even as allies of the Israelis when they so choose.

As I see it the main obstacle is ignorance and prejudice with a radical Islamic fundamentalism which denies the equality of Jews and Christians and other religions as they seek to force their backward ways on everyone else.

Would a "leaflet campaign" make it okay for Russia to bomb your neighborhood if they claim they're after "terrorists"? FYI, there's also a radical faction of Jews who equate Arabs to "pigs" and advocate genocide against them. There are few innocent parties in the dispute-and they usually end up killed in the crossfire.

Since you (and most Americans) are so terribly ignorant of foreign conflicts, it seems like better, smarter policy to stay out of it.

Nonsense. If there were terrorists in my neighborhood our government would ARREST them.

Please give references to the radical Israeli faction which advocates genocide against Arabs. I don't believe you. But IF
there are any isolated nutcases then it is nothing compared to having the leaders of a political parties or even a country advocate genocide against the Israelis as does Hamas, Hizbullah and Iran.

Innocent parties killed in crossfire is terrible. Bus bombs are worse as they are intentional war crimes.

Ignorant? Please. Let those who read this thread decide who is ignorant. I have carefully documented my positions. Anyone can check out my arguments. I'm confident it will be obvious to most who read this that my positions are well informed whereas others claims cannot be supported. And I will speak the truth.

It is natural for Christians and those of other religions to support Israel because fundamentalist radical Islam discriminates against one and all just as they discriminate against Israel. Now that we all have been victimized by 911, the transit bombings in Europe, the Islamic attacks in Russia and the hotel bombings in India and Australia - it is much easier for the world to understand the unjust hatred and violence directed at Israel and sympathize with the Israelis.

I can give you a name of one Israeli group you may be interested in-Mossad. They have committed unjust assassinations (inflaming conflict) and have spied on sensitive US operations.

Mossad is the intelligence service of Israel. Their policy is the same as Israeli policy. Which is not to harm anyone unless they are attacking Israel. Good grief. I want to see a credible news report that some large organization in Israel advocates killing Arabs or Palestinians this is what you claimed. But I never heard of it and I am well informed. So I don't believe you.

The unjust actions you refer to may be the killing of terrorists who have planned and carried out mass murder of Israelis. I think they should go after them just as we are going after Bin Laden. It is their duty to protect Israelis as it is the duty of our government to protect us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

Mossad is the intelligence service of Israel. Their policy is the same as Israeli policy. Which is not to harm anyone unless they are attacking Israel. Good grief. I want to see a credible news report that some large organization in Israel advocates killing Arabs or Palestinians this is what you claimed. But I never heard of it and I am well informed. So I don't believe you.

The unjust actions you refer to may be the killing of terrorists who have planned and carried out mass murder of Israelis. I think they should go after them just as we are going after Bin Laden. It is their duty to protect Israelis as it is the duty of our government to protect us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad

Considering the whole bunch of Christians here, we will never stop "helping" Isreal. The only solve to that situation is to unconvert America.

thanks for this. this post just discredits you in all future endevours. i thought you were just misinformed but clearly someone has brainwashed you..or maybe you're on their payroll.
1. Mossad's been caught several times posing as muslims setting off car bombs in west Jerusalem ...courtesy of Haertz.com (jewish paper)
2. JDL..documented terrorist group
3. Menachem Begin
4. Gavrilo Princeps
5. U.S.S. Liberty ring any bells??

defend Israel all you want the world's waking up to their b.s.

ok - show me the newspaper article. never saw it - don't believe it.

JDL - this is fair criticism but they are not tolerated or supported in Israel unlike Hamas whose members are lauded with praise over terrorist attacks.

from the wiki

The Jewish Defense League or JDL is a Jewish organization whose stated goal is to "protect Jews from antisemitism by whatever means necessary".[1] While the group asserts that it "unequivocally condemns terrorism", and claims to have a "strict no-tolerance policy against terrorism and other felonious acts,"

Nevertheless several members or former members of the JDL have committed terrorist acts but these are prosecuted and are not the norm. I would characterize them as isolated nutjobs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JDL

Intelligence specialist James Bradford disputes your claim about the USS Liberty in his book "Body of Secrets: Anatomy of the Ultra-Secret National Security Agency". http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385499078/lewrockwell/

Menachem Begin's and the Irgun - part of the civil war era of pre-Israel. Not a terrorist. Did not advocate killing civilians.

for example:

Begin’s most significant achievement as prime minister was the signing of a peace treaty with Egypt in 1979, for which he and Anwar Sadat shared the Nobel Prize for Peace. In the wake of the Camp David Accords, the Israel Defense Forces withdrew from the Sinai Peninsula, which was captured from Egypt in the Six-Day War.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menachem_Begin

Gavrilo Princip? What? The assassin whose act was the spark that set off World War I, Gavrilo Princip was an ethnic Serb born in Bosnia-Herzegovina in July of 1894...has nothing to do with Israel

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princip

USS Liberty - Both the Israeli and U.S. governments conducted inquiries[2] into the incident, and issued reports, which concluded that the attack was a mistake, due to Israeli confusion about the identity of the USS Liberty. (from the wiki)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Liberty_incident

Yeah, and the CIA is acting in our best interests when they assassinate foreigners. You've been drinking too much Establishment kool-aid, my friend. Look up Viktor Ostrovsky. He defected from Mossad and wrote about the agency. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Ostrovsky

Israel is facing an enemy that is pure evil. They are a part of a fringe religion that promotes the sale of daughters, the savage beating of women, not letting women play sports because they might bust their cherries, hate every non believer and are pedophiles(just look at the so called prophed Muhommad. These terrorists are trying non stop to provoke Israel. We don't hear anything about the hundreds of rockets fired into Israel, but the moment Israel tries to defend itself everyone cries foul.

If I were running Israel I would give Hamas a nuclear tipped enima.

One man's terrorist is anothers freedom fighter.

For all terrorist activity in this world there is justifications for such actions. Be they right or wrong the fighter feels it is right.

We can never truly know what goes on in other countries, so for us to "decide" who is right or wrong based purely on media coverage or opinionated writings makes us just as much of a problem as the ignorant who follows something not knowing enough about it.

This is the most inane claim ever. Attacks by Arabs on Israel predates Hamas and Hizbullah. Goes back before the state of Israel's creation. The leaders of Hamas created Hamas and their primary objective is their own power and control of their own people. They believe in torture, extrajudicial killings, indiscriminate shooting of rockets into schools and homes.

Hamas teaches hatred and intolerance in their schools. This is not a creation of Israel. This is fascism and thuggery. People behaving like animals. Ignorant and violent and despicable, the history is well known and well documented. RP just doesn't know it.

Educate yourself and learn the truth:

http://www.jewishfederations.org/page.aspx?id=64336

Myth:

"Israel created Hamas."

Fact:

Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.

Hamas was legally registered in Israel in 1978 as an Islamic Association by Sheikh Ahmad Yassin. Initially, the organization engaged primarily in social welfare activities and soon developed a reputation for improving the lives of Palestinians, particularly the refugees in the Gaza Strip.

Though Hamas was committed from the outset to destroying Israel, it took the position that this was a goal for the future, and that the more immediate focus should be on winning the hearts and minds of the people through its charitable and educational activities. Its funding came primarily from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

The PLO was convinced that Israel was helping Hamas in the hope of triggering a civil war. Since Hamas did not engage in terror at first, Israel did not see it as a serious short-term threat, and some Israelis believed the rise of fundamentalism in Gaza would have the beneficial impact of weakening the PLO, and this is what ultimately happened.

Hamas certainly didn't believe it was being supported by Israel. As early as February 1988, the group put out a primer on how its members should behave if confronted by the Shin Bet. Several more instructional documents were distributed by Hamas to teach followers how to confront the Israelis and maintain secrecy.

Israel's assistance was more passive than active; that is, it did not interfere with Hamas activities or prevent funds from flowing into the organization from abroad. Israel also may have provided some funding to allow its security forces to infiltrate the organization. Meanwhile, Jordan was actively helping Hamas, with the aim of undermining the PLO and strengthening Jordanian influence in the territories.

Though some Israelis were very concerned about Hamas before rioting began in December 1987, Israel was reluctant to interfere with an Islamic organization, fearing that it might trigger charges of violating the Palestinians' freedom of religion. It was not until early in the intifada, when Hamas became actively involved in the violence, that the group began to be viewed as a potentially greater threat than the PLO. The turning point occurred in the summer of 1988 when Israel learned that Hamas was stockpiling arms to build an underground force and Hamas issued its covenant calling for the destruction of Israel. At this point it became clear that Hamas was not going to put off its jihad to liberate Palestine and was shifting its emphasis from charitable and educational activity to terrorism. Israel then began to crack down on Hamas and wiped out its entire command structure. Hamas has been waging a terror war against Israel ever since.

amazing the lies put out by the jewish press.

probably the harshest thing I will ever say,,,but dead is dead


is violence any better or worse if its done while justifying the targeting of 'innocent' people, or if its done while calling them 'collateral'?

in my eyes, it isnt. Those who commit violence on others have very little place to be so quite high up on a pedastal as America sometimes puts itself in judging others,,,