Topic: What conspiracy theories do you believe?
Marley's photo
Tue 05/25/10 07:06 PM


We know there are real conspiracies and real bad guys....

Watergate.... etc.

What conspiracy theories do you believe?


If you observe very carefully the history of the United States, damn near everything can be blamed on Richard M. Nixon.

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/25/10 07:07 PM



We know there are real conspiracies and real bad guys....

Watergate.... etc.

What conspiracy theories do you believe?


If you observe very carefully the history of the United States, damn near everything can be blamed on Richard M. Nixon.



lol, I think OBama may be taking his place,,,,

Marley's photo
Tue 05/25/10 07:09 PM




We know there are real conspiracies and real bad guys....

Watergate.... etc.

What conspiracy theories do you believe?


If you observe very carefully the history of the United States, damn near everything can be blamed on Richard M. Nixon.



lol, I think OBama may be taking his place,,,,


BO has a long way to go. And he still has to leap over dubuh.

msharmony's photo
Tue 05/25/10 07:11 PM





We know there are real conspiracies and real bad guys....

Watergate.... etc.

What conspiracy theories do you believe?


If you observe very carefully the history of the United States, damn near everything can be blamed on Richard M. Nixon.



lol, I think OBama may be taking his place,,,,


BO has a long way to go. And he still has to leap over dubuh.



lol, lets hope you are right. I just hate the blame game personally.

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Wed 05/26/10 12:54 AM

that 9/11 was an inside job

and

that JFK and MLK's death were government planned and implemented

and

Bush stealing that first election


,,,,thats about it that comes to mind as probable to me though



All true. bigsmile :thumbsup:

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Wed 05/26/10 01:03 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 05/26/10 01:10 AM
The buildings of 9-11 were all owned by the same guy. He made lots of money on the Insurance. He gave the order to 'pull' building number seven. It was caught on tape. This means that these building were brought down with very precise demolition explosions. It is very hard to get a building to fall strait down like that. This was a controlled demolition. All three buildings. But they blamed it on terrorists. Within an hour they already claimed to have figured it all out. Bull, they just do not work that fast.



Take a close look at the manner in which WTC 7 collapses straight down. For the building to collapse in this fashion, all of the load bearing supports would have had to fail at exactly the same time.
The claim that the collapse was the result of a fire requires the fire be equally distributed throughout the entire floor of the building, providing equal heat for an equal amount of time, so that all the load bearings members would fail at the exact same moment.

Want to know who is responsible? Powerful bankers and world leaders. The Bilderberg group. The Patriot act was written months BEFORE 9-11. It was all a plan to get that bill passed in order to give the government more power over the people. Hitler did the same exact thing. Its history. Want to know who supported Hitler in the early stages before they distanced themselves from him? The Bush family. And of course the Catholic Church. The Bush Family have also been long times friends of Osama Ben Laden's family. These people think they are above the law and apparently they are.

What really happened:
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/wtc7.html

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/26/10 01:05 AM

The buildings of 9-11 were all owned by the same guy. He made lots of money on the Insurance. He gave the order to 'pull' building number seven. It was caught on tape. This means that these building were brought down with very precise demolition explosions. It is very hard to get a building to fall strait down like that. This was a controlled demolition. All three buildings. But they blamed it on terrorists. Within an hour they already claimed to have figured it all out. Bull, they just do not work that fast.

Want to know who is responsible? Powerful bankers and world leaders. The Bilderberg group. The Patriot act was written months BEFORE 9-11. It was all a plan to get that bill passed in order to give the government more power over the people. Hitler did the same exact thing. Its history. Want to know who supported Hitler in the early stages before they distanced themselves from him? The Bush family. And of course the Catholic Church. The Bush Family have also been long times friends of Osama Ben Laden's family. These people think they are above the law and apparently they are.





a possibility I have heard of before and find very probable

fifijones's photo
Wed 05/26/10 01:21 AM
I believe in all the conspiracy theories!

msharmony's photo
Wed 05/26/10 01:35 AM
Edited by msharmony on Wed 05/26/10 01:36 AM
on a sidenote,,, Mel Gibson was so cute in that film,,lol

metalwing's photo
Wed 05/26/10 03:02 AM

The buildings of 9-11 were all owned by the same guy. He made lots of money on the Insurance. He gave the order to 'pull' building number seven.


The order to pull also means to pull the people (firemen) out because it is not safe. One of the two main interior columns was punched out by a large piece of steel debris from one of the two towers.

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It was caught on tape. This means that these building were brought down with very precise demolition explosions. It is very hard to get a building to fall strait down like that.
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I watched the buildings live on TV. Seconds after the plane hit the second tower I realized the towers were constructed using light commercial construction techniques which is unusual for a high rise. I knew the steel joints would fail in twenty minutes or so in a cascade failure exactly which is exactly how they failed. Gravity pulls straight down. After the first floor failed, no floor below could stop the progressive collapse of the building in exactly the manner that happened. No demolition charges were used.


This was a controlled demolition. All three buildings. But they blamed it on terrorists. Within an hour they already claimed to have figured it all out. Bull, they just do not work that fast.



If you know that the fire burned at eighteen hundred degrees and the building will come down when the steel joist shear supports will fail at around eleven hundred degrees, anyone who understands the physics and stresses on the building can figger it out in seconds.

The American Society of Civil Engineers - Structural Division did actual papers on how this and other failures occur. They also did a nice animation on the failure mode of building seven.

It seems so odd to me that the conspiracy theorists do not consider that the plane would have to hit the exact floor where all the explosives were set and the explosives and wiring would have to endure being engulfed in flames for half an hour or so and still work properly.

One other thing, the building fell because the floor supports failed, not the columns. Demolition failure is caused by blowing the columns where the direction of the collapse can be directed inward, not straight down. There are hundreds of floor supports (typically every two feet all around the building) as opposed to relatively few columns. The purpose of directing the failure inward is to prevent a large piece of debris from shooting outward and killing someone or punching out the support of another building like what happened to building seven.

I put the math, physics, material science, and failure mode analysis on the 9/11 mingle thread last summer.

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Wed 05/26/10 06:49 AM
Edited by Jeanniebean on Wed 05/26/10 06:57 AM
The order to pull also means to pull the people (firemen) out because it is not safe. One of the two main interior columns was punched out by a large piece of steel debris from one of the two towers.


I'm sorry, I don't buy it. The guy who gave that order is NOT a fireman. He would not have been in charge of something like that. (Also, there were people who said they actually saw and heard the explosions going off.)

Also, building 7 was not hit by a plane, and the fire in that building was not a large fire. When has a small fire ever brought down an entire building like that? And where is the fire in those films? I think only an idiot would believe that story. Yet a lot of people believe everything they are told by the media and the "official government."

The official government has lied and lied and lied to the people so many time... how foolish are we to believe them, ever again?

Also, this whole incident was not investigated properly. The steal beams and other evidence was gathered up and shipped (sold as scrap) to someone in another country.

I just don't believe that a building like the twin towers, designed to withstand the wind and earthquakes could be taken down by an airplane.

I'm a skeptic. I also know how devious, evil and corrupt government can be and has been in the past, so I don't trust any of that propaganda.

I did a tarot reading about 9-11 shortly after it happened. You guessed it, the tower showed up in the reading. And of course the Emperor. The cards indicated that Osama Ben Laden (reversed King of Cups) was innocent. This was a puzzle to me at the time because at the time I totally believed he wasn't.

The cards don't lie. bigsmile tongue2 waving







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Wed 05/26/10 06:56 AM
Michael Jackson, Elvis, Richie Valens, and Buddy Holly faked their own death and are living on an island in the Carribean sipping Margaruitas right now on some beach somewhere................I just can not hold the laughter over this any longer, I am sorry, I was laughing typing it........noway yawn bigsmile laugh

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Wed 05/26/10 06:59 AM

Michael Jackson, Elvis, Richie Valens, and Buddy Holly faked their own death and are living on an island in the Carribean sipping Margaruitas right now on some beach somewhere................I just can not hold the laughter over this any longer, I am sorry, I was laughing typing it........noway yawn bigsmile laugh



laugh laugh laugh

I saw Johnny Hara, an elvis look-a-like in Las Vegas once and ...damn! You would think you met the King.

Seakolony's photo
Wed 05/26/10 07:06 AM

The order to pull also means to pull the people (firemen) out because it is not safe. One of the two main interior columns was punched out by a large piece of steel debris from one of the two towers.


I'm sorry, I don't buy it. The guy who gave that order is NOT a fireman. He would not have been in charge of something like that. (Also, there were people who said they actually saw and heard the explosions going off.)

Also, building 7 was not hit by a plane, and the fire in that building was not a large fire. When has a small fire ever brought down an entire building like that? And where is the fire in those films? I think only an idiot would believe that story. Yet a lot of people believe everything they are told by the media and the "official government."

The official government has lied and lied and lied to the people so many time... how foolish are we to believe them, ever again?

Also, this whole incident was not investigated properly. The steal beams and other evidence was gathered up and shipped (sold as scrap) to someone in another country.

I just don't believe that a building like the twin towers, designed to withstand the wind and earthquakes could be taken down by an airplane.

I'm a skeptic. I also know how devious, evil and corrupt government can be and has been in the past, so I don't trust any of that propaganda.

I did a tarot reading about 9-11 shortly after it happened. You guessed it, the tower showed up in the reading. And of course the Emperor. The cards indicated that Osama Ben Laden (reversed King of Cups) was innocent. This was a puzzle to me at the time because at the time I totally believed he wasn't.

The cards don't lie. bigsmile tongue2 waving

The only thing the makes me skeptical about the theory on this one remains this: In the statement above explosions were heard, and BLDG seven olny had a small fire. The BLDG may not have been directly hit but if fire started in that BLDg from the fire of the other BLDGS ins't a safe jump to conclude if the fire could travel then so could the ignited jet fuel. jet fuel is just under explosive anyways. Jet have explodod in air from jet feul leaks caught on fire causing explosions like small bombs. Say there is any gas lines in a BLDG these have, also, been known to explode in any fire. Does anyone have the schematics of the BLDG itself? What type of lines did said BLDGS have?? Gas, Oil, Electric only running to BLDGs? I am not one to say there has never been conspiracy theories. The Clinton conspiracy did not hurt them much, did it? Every administration has a conspiracy, sometimes they are bad like watergate and brought forth, sometimes bribed under the table through handshakes and back room deals. If anyone expects anything else from politicians they are crazy.

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Wed 05/26/10 08:27 AM
This is a scene from the 1991 movie "Slacker"- A man talks conspiracy theories with a stranger-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hX1R2f623mg

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Wed 05/26/10 08:30 AM
Another scene from Slacker- a guy discusses the JFK conspiracy with a girl-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_p-T5Q5_o&feature=related

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Wed 05/26/10 09:30 AM

The order to pull also means to pull the people (firemen) out because it is not safe. One of the two main interior columns was punched out by a large piece of steel debris from one of the two towers.




I'm sorry, I don't buy it. The guy who gave that order is NOT a fireman. He would not have been in charge of something like that. (Also, there were people who said they actually saw and heard the explosions going off.)

Also, building 7 was not hit by a plane, and the fire in that building was not a large fire. When has a small fire ever brought down an entire building like that? And where is the fire in those films? I think only an idiot would believe that story. Yet a lot of people believe everything they are told by the media and the "official government."





You apparently didn't understand my post. Building seven had one of the two main interior columns punched out by a large piece of steel which went flying from one of the two towers. The firemen should not have been in the building in the first place. The sound of bolts breaking as they become overstressed from catenary forces sound like explosions. Catenary forces also allow buildings and other structures to stand for awhile before final collapse.


The official government has lied and lied and lied to the people so many time... how foolish are we to believe them, ever again?


The official record of failure did not come from the US government. It came from the structural division of the American Society of Civil Engineers, some structural consulting engineers who are members, the architect of the building who really did not have a clue, and was peer reviewed.


Also, this whole incident was not investigated properly. The steal beams and other evidence was gathered up and shipped (sold as scrap) to someone in another country.


It would appear that way to someone who knows nothing.



I just don't believe that a building like the twin towers, designed to withstand the wind and earthquakes could be taken down by an airplane.


No building of that type is designed to withstand a fire of that nature. The plane alone probably would not have brought the building down. It was a mistake for the building to have been constructed using light materials, but the code allows it. Light commercial is the least fire resistant type of commercial construction. Instead of the usual large steel or concrete beams which support the floors, this building had open web steel joists supported by a four inch piece of steel angle every two feet. It takes little time to bring these small supports up to failure temperature, even with spray on fireproofing.



I'm a skeptic. I also know how devious, evil and corrupt government can be and has been in the past, so I don't trust any of that propaganda.

I did a tarot reading about 9-11 shortly after it happened. You guessed it, the tower showed up in the reading. And of course the Emperor. The cards indicated that Osama Ben Laden (reversed King of Cups) was innocent. This was a puzzle to me at the time because at the time I totally believed he wasn't.

The cards don't lie. bigsmile tongue2 waving



Math and science don't lie either. :wink:

The pilots of those planes could have been CIA agents for all I know but the whole conspiracy theory about explosives being planted in the buildings is idiotic.








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Wed 05/26/10 01:10 PM
The pilots of those planes could have been CIA agents for all I know but the whole conspiracy theory about explosives being planted in the buildings is idiotic.



They could have been CIA this is true, -or at least sub contracting for the CIA. Osama ben Laden was trained by the CIA after all.

I read that all buildings were now built with the explosive devices already in the proper place with the understanding that one day that building will have to come down. Buildings and property are bought and sold by billionaires all the time.

No, they probably weren't "planted" there. They were probably in place for a long time.

I lived in Las Vegas for only nine months and I saw tall buildings come down into rubble in one fell swoop and then be rebuilt in 6 months. Since I lived there, dozens of casino's have been taken down and rebuilt. This is a common occurrence. The property is worth more than the building sitting on it sometimes.

Rebuilding has become such a common thing in large cities that the means to implode and take down a building is put there way in advance and now when the building is built.

Can you imagine having to take it apart brick by brick to rebuild? Its not done that way anymore. Precise plans to take a building down are part of the plans of the building. For old buildings, the plans to take them down are made well in advance of the actual deed.


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Wed 05/26/10 01:41 PM

The pilots of those planes could have been CIA agents for all I know but the whole conspiracy theory about explosives being planted in the buildings is idiotic.



They could have been CIA this is true, -or at least sub contracting for the CIA. Osama ben Laden was trained by the CIA after all.

I read that all buildings were now built with the explosive devices already in the proper place with the understanding that one day that building will have to come down. Buildings and property are bought and sold by billionaires all the time.

No, they probably weren't "planted" there. They were probably in place for a long time.

I lived in Las Vegas for only nine months and I saw tall buildings come down into rubble in one fell swoop and then be rebuilt in 6 months. Since I lived there, dozens of casino's have been taken down and rebuilt. This is a common occurrence. The property is worth more than the building sitting on it sometimes.

Rebuilding has become such a common thing in large cities that the means to implode and take down a building is put there way in advance and now when the building is built.

Can you imagine having to take it apart brick by brick to rebuild? Its not done that way anymore. Precise plans to take a building down are part of the plans of the building. For old buildings, the plans to take them down are made well in advance of the actual deed.




The above may be the most ridiculous post I have ever seen. Absolutely none of it is true, except that buildings are torn down and rebuilt. Where did you come up with the goofy idea that explosives are planted in buildings when they are built or demolition plans are done when the buildings are constructed? Are you hallucinating ? happy That whole idea is crazy for so many reasons.

To demolish a building you hire a demolition company who takes the existing construction drawings and plans a "failure mode" that almost always sends the exterior walls to the interior of the building cutting the main columns in sequence from the ground up (the twin towers fell from the top down).

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Wed 05/26/10 01:59 PM
I don't believe in conspiracy theories. It adds to mass panic and illogical thinking.

"Paranoia will destroy ya"! laugh (love the Kinks)