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Topic: Do you support desecrating Ground 0?
willing2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 06:28 AM
Mosque to go up near New York's ground zero
By Nicole Bliman, CNN
May 7, 2010 3:19 a.m. EDT

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Project includes 15-story community center, a mosque, performance art center. (All of this is great! Just leave out the mosque and make it for everyone.)
* Community Board of lower Manhattan voted unanimously to support the project
* Project gets mixed reviews from families and friends of 9/11 victims
* After funds raised, center to be completed in three to five years

RELATED TOPICS
* September 11 Attacks
* Islam

New York (CNN) -- Plans to build a mosque two blocks away from ground zero have set off an emotional debate among area residents and relatives of victims of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.

Cordoba House project calls for a 15-story community center including a mosque, performance art center, gym, swimming pool and other public spaces.

The project is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, both of which work to improve relations with followers of the religion.

The two groups presented their vision to part of the Community Board of lower Manhattan on Wednesday night.

Ro Sheffe, a board member who attended the meeting, said the project did not need to get the board's approval.

"They own the land, and their plans don't have any zoning changes," Sheffe said. "They came to us for our opinions and to let us know their plans. It was purely voluntary on their part."

The 12 members who were at the meeting voted unanimously to support the project. Community board members are appointed by the borough president and serve as advisers to the borough president and the mayor's office.

Daisy Khan, executive director of the Muslim society, described her vision of a center led by Muslims, but serving the community as a whole.

"It will have a real community feel, to celebrate the pluralism in the United States, as well as in the Islamic religion," Khan said. "It will also serve as a major platform for amplifying the silent voice of the majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with extremist ideologies. It will counter the extremist momentum."

The need for the center is twofold, Khan said, because it will support the needs of the growing Muslim community.

"The time for a center like this has come because Islam is an American religion," Khan said. "We need to take the 9/11 tragedy and turn it into something very positive."

Sheffe said a community center for lower Manhattan residents is "desperately needed." The area was mostly commercial, Sheffe said, but as more people move downtown, the lack of residential amenities is a problem.

The project got mixed reviews from families and friends of September 11 victims.

"I think it's the right thing to do," said Marvin Bethea, who was a paramedic at ground zero. "I lost 16 friends down there. But Muslims also got killed on 9/11. It would be a good sign of faith that we're not condemning all Muslims and that the Muslims who did this happened to be extremists. As a black man, I know what it's like to be discriminated against when you haven't done anything."

Herbert Ouida, whose son was killed in the attacks, supports the project as a way to bridge cultural divide.

"I understand the anger, the bitterness and hatred, but it only generates more hatred," Ouida said. "Such a large part of the world has this faith, and to say anyone who has this faith is a terrorist, it's terrible."

Others decried the idea of building a mosque so close to where their relatives died.

"Lower Manhattan should be made into a shrine for the people who died there," said Michael Valentin, a retired city detective who worked at ground zero. "It breaks my heart for the families who have to put up with this. I understand they're [building] it in a respectful way, but it just shouldn't be down there."

Others such as Barry Zelman said the site's location will be a painful reminder.

"[The 9/11 terrorists] did this in the name of Islam," Zelman said. "It's a sacred ground where these people died, where my brother was murdered, and to be in the shadows of that religion, it's just hypocritical and sacrilegious. "

However, Khan emphasized that the attacks killed Muslims, too.

"Three hundred of the victims were Muslim, that's 10 percent of the victims," she said. "We are Americans too. The 9/11 tragedy hurt everybody including the Muslim community. We are all in this together and together we have to fight against extremism and terrorism."

Cordoba House is still in its early stages of development. The American Society for Muslim Advancement is hoping to raise funds for the center to be completed in three to five years.

On the bright side. No building near a mosque would be in danger of getting bombed. Unless they could get it to implode.slaphead

Winx's photo
Sat 05/08/10 07:42 AM
Wow. Only two blocks away from the site. That is a touchy situation.

no photo
Sat 05/08/10 07:44 AM
Be a damned shame if something happened, wouldn't it ... ?

Winx's photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:02 AM

Be a damned shame if something happened, wouldn't it ... ?


Are you suggesting a terrorist act?

willing2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:06 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if they dedicated it to the terrorists who lost their lives doing the will of Allah.slaphead

msharmony's photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:07 AM
Edited by msharmony on Sat 05/08/10 08:09 AM
I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'

willing2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 08:08 AM


Be a damned shame if something happened, wouldn't it ... ?


Are you suggesting a terrorist act?

I don't see any suggestions. But, like many of us, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it?

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:31 AM

Mosque to go up near New York's ground zero
By Nicole Bliman, CNN
May 7, 2010 3:19 a.m. EDT

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

* Project includes 15-story community center, a mosque, performance art center. (All of this is great! Just leave out the mosque and make it for everyone.)
* Community Board of lower Manhattan voted unanimously to support the project
* Project gets mixed reviews from families and friends of 9/11 victims
* After funds raised, center to be completed in three to five years

RELATED TOPICS
* September 11 Attacks
* Islam

New York (CNN) -- Plans to build a mosque two blocks away from ground zero have set off an emotional debate among area residents and relatives of victims of the September 11, 2001 terror attacks.

Cordoba House project calls for a 15-story community center including a mosque, performance art center, gym, swimming pool and other public spaces.

The project is a collaboration between the American Society for Muslim Advancement and the Cordoba Initiative, both of which work to improve relations with followers of the religion.

The two groups presented their vision to part of the Community Board of lower Manhattan on Wednesday night.

Ro Sheffe, a board member who attended the meeting, said the project did not need to get the board's approval.

"They own the land, and their plans don't have any zoning changes," Sheffe said. "They came to us for our opinions and to let us know their plans. It was purely voluntary on their part."

The 12 members who were at the meeting voted unanimously to support the project. Community board members are appointed by the borough president and serve as advisers to the borough president and the mayor's office.

Daisy Khan, executive director of the Muslim society, described her vision of a center led by Muslims, but serving the community as a whole.

"It will have a real community feel, to celebrate the pluralism in the United States, as well as in the Islamic religion," Khan said. "It will also serve as a major platform for amplifying the silent voice of the majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with extremist ideologies. It will counter the extremist momentum."

The need for the center is twofold, Khan said, because it will support the needs of the growing Muslim community.

"The time for a center like this has come because Islam is an American religion," Khan said. "We need to take the 9/11 tragedy and turn it into something very positive."

Sheffe said a community center for lower Manhattan residents is "desperately needed." The area was mostly commercial, Sheffe said, but as more people move downtown, the lack of residential amenities is a problem.

The project got mixed reviews from families and friends of September 11 victims.

"I think it's the right thing to do," said Marvin Bethea, who was a paramedic at ground zero. "I lost 16 friends down there. But Muslims also got killed on 9/11. It would be a good sign of faith that we're not condemning all Muslims and that the Muslims who did this happened to be extremists. As a black man, I know what it's like to be discriminated against when you haven't done anything."

Herbert Ouida, whose son was killed in the attacks, supports the project as a way to bridge cultural divide.

"I understand the anger, the bitterness and hatred, but it only generates more hatred," Ouida said. "Such a large part of the world has this faith, and to say anyone who has this faith is a terrorist, it's terrible."

Others decried the idea of building a mosque so close to where their relatives died.

"Lower Manhattan should be made into a shrine for the people who died there," said Michael Valentin, a retired city detective who worked at ground zero. "It breaks my heart for the families who have to put up with this. I understand they're [building] it in a respectful way, but it just shouldn't be down there."

Others such as Barry Zelman said the site's location will be a painful reminder.

"[The 9/11 terrorists] did this in the name of Islam," Zelman said. "It's a sacred ground where these people died, where my brother was murdered, and to be in the shadows of that religion, it's just hypocritical and sacrilegious. "

However, Khan emphasized that the attacks killed Muslims, too.

"Three hundred of the victims were Muslim, that's 10 percent of the victims," she said. "We are Americans too. The 9/11 tragedy hurt everybody including the Muslim community. We are all in this together and together we have to fight against extremism and terrorism."

Cordoba House is still in its early stages of development. The American Society for Muslim Advancement is hoping to raise funds for the center to be completed in three to five years.

On the bright side. No building near a mosque would be in danger of getting bombed. Unless they could get it to implode.slaphead


I am sure Barry is so proud since he famously said in his trip to the Middle East the America is a Muslim nation.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:32 AM



Be a damned shame if something happened, wouldn't it ... ?


Are you suggesting a terrorist act?

I don't see any suggestions. But, like many of us, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it?


Me neither. As a matter of fact I probably wouldn't need to take an Ambien that night.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:33 AM

I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'


Bin Laden is a religious fanatic, as well as every other Muslim in the world. It is about religion first and politics second.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:40 AM


I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'


Bin Laden is a religious fanatic, as well as every other Muslim in the world. It is about religion first and politics second.


Wow, just wow...EVERY other..huge generalization. How many do you personally know....

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:49 AM



I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'


Bin Laden is a religious fanatic, as well as every other Muslim in the world. It is about religion first and politics second.


Wow, just wow...EVERY other..huge generalization. How many do you personally know....


How many terrorists? None I hope.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 05/08/10 09:50 AM




I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'


Bin Laden is a religious fanatic, as well as every other Muslim in the world. It is about religion first and politics second.


Wow, just wow...EVERY other..huge generalization. How many do you personally know....


How many terrorists? None I hope.


No, how many Muslim's...

motowndowntown's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:06 AM
Seems like there are extremists on both sides of the issue.

Lets see, how many people died when the towers went down?

And how many have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since then?

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:10 AM





I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'


Bin Laden is a religious fanatic, as well as every other Muslim in the world. It is about religion first and politics second.


Wow, just wow...EVERY other..huge generalization. How many do you personally know....


How many terrorists? None I hope.


No, how many Muslim's...


Like I said, I know someone who convirted to Christianity and he said the same thing. They are ALL taught to hate the non believers.

Lpdon's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:10 AM

Seems like there are extremists on both sides of the issue.

Lets see, how many people died when the towers went down?

And how many have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since then?


Iraq and Afganistan, casualties of war.

Ladylid2012's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:12 AM






I feel for Zelman,, but the attacks(according to Bin Laden himself) were much more about politics than religion,,,

from cbcnews

'The militant Islamic group decided "we should destroy towers in America" because "we are a free people... and we want to regain the freedom of our nation," said bin Laden'

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLo6dSNB


"The al-Qaeda leader said he decided that militants should start planning to attack the United States in the wake of Israel's 1982 invasion of Lebanon, when apartment towers in Beirut were bombed. The U.S. backed Israel in that action, he said. "



Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2004/10/29/binladen_message041029.html#ixzz0nLniYtsS


and from fox news

'Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States'


Bin Laden is a religious fanatic, as well as every other Muslim in the world. It is about religion first and politics second.


Wow, just wow...EVERY other..huge generalization. How many do you personally know....


How many terrorists? None I hope.


No, how many Muslim's...


Like I said, I know someone who convirted to Christianity and he said the same thing. They are ALL taught to hate the non believers.


sooo, you hate back? hummmmm
I'm glad I'm not a hater........:heart:

LouLou2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:17 AM
I find the wording of the question interesting...

"Do you support desecrating Ground 0?"

I'm not sure I've ever known anyone who supports desecration.

motowndowntown's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:19 AM


Seems like there are extremists on both sides of the issue.

Lets see, how many people died when the towers went down?

And how many have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since then?



Iraq and Afganistan, casualties of war.


I am sure the mothers of all the soldiers and marines love to hear that sort of statement.

Seems like those who have never been in one are the only ones who take wars casually.


willing2's photo
Sat 05/08/10 10:39 AM
Edited by willing2 on Sat 05/08/10 10:40 AM
From what I hear; Not all Muslims are terrorists but, all Terrorists have been Muslim. Makes ya' wanna' go hmmm!!

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