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Topic: American Progressives.. A History...
InvictusV's photo
Sun 04/11/10 08:59 AM
When I began looking into the history of American progressives I came across some disturbing facts..

American progressives were at the forefront of the worldwide eugenics/sterilization movement.

This was nothing more than a way for the liberal elite to implement a racist policy of mass extermination/eradication of what they deemed as inferior species.

The American Eugenics Society was established in 1922. It was founded by Madison Grant, HH Laughlin, Irving Fischer, HF Osborn, and Henry Crampton.

Other notables in the progressive eugenics movement were Wickliffe Preston Draper and Dr. Clarence Campbell.

Draper, who founded the Pioneer Fund, is a foundation that claims to have played a significant role in research on heredity and human personality differences since its 1937 founding, particularly in intelligence. The liberals favorite watchdog, the southern poverty law center, has labeled the Pioneer Fund as a Hate Group.. I find that interesting..

In 1935 Draper and Campbell "traveled to Berlin to attend the International Congress for the Scientific Investigation of Population Problems. Presiding over the conference was Wilhelm Frick, the Reichminister of the Interior. (Frick was hanged in 1946 for his crimes against humanity.) At the conference, Draper's travel companion Dr. Clarence Campbell delivered an oration that concluded with the words: "The difference between the Jew and the Aryan is as unsurmountable [sic] as that between black and white. … Germany has set a pattern which other nations must follow. … To that great leader, Adolf Hitler!"

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Wickliffe-Draper

How many speeches did Prescott Bush deliver to the Nazi scientific community? I'll save that one for later..

On another thread I discussed HH Laughlin.. I find him to be most disturbing. He led the charge here and was complicit in establishing theories that were later used by the Nazis to implement laws that led to the murder of millions.

He was an avid racist. His theories of superiority and segregation were used in determining the necessity of the Johnson Reed Immigration act of 1924. A stain on American history..

He wrote the book entitled "Eugenical Sterilization in the United States". It was the basis for the forced sterilization laws passed in 30 US states.

That wasn't the half of his incredible career. In 1936 he was awarded an honorary degree by the Heidelberg University in Germany for his work on behalf of the "science of racial cleansing".

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Harry-Laughlin

That is impressive..

One of his earliest fans was none other than Mary Williamson Averell. The mother of William Averell Harriman. Mr Harriman is often excluded by the liberals when they want to discuss Prescott Bush. The liberal line is Prescott Bush funded the Nazis. Well, interestingly enough, Mr Bush worked for Mr Harriman.

Here is a little fact that none of the liberals like discussing..

While Averell Harriman served as Senior Partner of Brown Brothers Harriman & Co., Harriman Bank was the main Wall Street connection for German companies and the varied U.S. financial interests of Fritz Thyssen, who had been an early financial backer of the Nazi party until 1938, but who by 1939 had fled Germany and was bitterly denouncing Adolf Hitler. Business transactions for profit with Nazi Germany were not illegal when Hitler declared war on the US, but, six days after the attack on Pearl Harbor, President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Trading With the Enemy Act after it had been made public that U.S. companies were doing business with the declared enemy of the United States. On October 20, 1942, the U.S. government ordered the seizure of Nazi German banking operations in New York City.[citation needed]

The Harriman business interests seized under the act in October and November 1942 included:

* Union Banking Corporation (UBC) (for Thyssen and Brown Brothers Harriman).
* Holland-American Trading Corporation (with Harriman)
* the Seamless Steel Equipment Corporation (with Harriman)
* Silesian-American Corporation (this company was partially owned by a German entity; during the war the Germans tried to take the full control of Silesian-American. In response to that, American government seized German owned minority shares in the company, leaving the U.S. partners to carry on the portion of the business in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averell_Harriman

You think that a man who was obviously doing business with the Nazis would have been arrested and thrown in jail or even shot. Oh No.. that wasn't the case at all..

"Mr Harriman served President Franklin D. Roosevelt as special envoy to Europe, and was present at the meeting between Winston Churchill and the US president at Placentia Bay in August 1941".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averell_Harriman

Having your business seized for funding the enemy and you get a job in the administration.. Pretty sweet..

Later Harriman was accused by the highest ranking KGB officer to ever defect as being a double agent working for the KGB. You would think that a man that did business with the Nazis, now accused by a KBG defector as being a spy, would have to be shot... Not Mr Harriman.. He continued on as JFK's Assistant Secretary of State for Far Eastern Affairs.

That's Vietnam, in case you were wondering.

He supported the assassination of President Diem in 1963.

And after a life of working for America's enemies, he won the Presidential Medal of Freedom in 1969..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Averell_Harriman

Does it get any better than this?

I could go on, but it's just more of the same.

The modern progressive still supports abortion, which has been cast as a woman's right to choose. When in reality, it's about giving the undesirables the means to self sterilize.. The modern progressive is still pushing population control as a means to protect the environment. Almost all of the people I listed in this post were enviro-whackos that pushed population control as the means to deal with environmental concerns. And so on and so forth..

So the next time a progressive pushes the "you are a racist, bigot, nazi" claim... just remember who's foundation of principles were built on racism, bigotry, junk science and complicity in the mass murders of tens of millions of people during the 20th century..











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Tue 04/13/10 06:32 PM
Edited by KerryO on Tue 04/13/10 06:36 PM

When I began looking into the history of American progressives I came across some disturbing facts..




Well, then-- let's look at some quotes from that great American Progressive, Pat Buchanan, shall we?

In a 1977 column, Buchanan said that despite Hitler's anti-Semitic and genocidal tendencies, he was "an individual of great courage.... Hitler's success was not based on his extraordinary gifts alone. His genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the statesmen who stood in his path." (Guardian, 1/14/92)


"integration of blacks and whites -- but even more so, poor and well-to-do -- is less likely to result in accommodation than it is in perpetual friction, as the incapable are placed consciously by government side by side with the capable." (Washington Post, 1/5/92)

Trying to justify apartheid in South Africa, he denounced the notion that "white rule of a black majority is inherently wrong. Where did we get that idea? The Founding Fathers did not believe this." (syndicated column, 2/7/90) He referred admiringly to the apartheid regime as the "Boer Republic": "Why are Americans collaborating in a U.N. conspiracy to ruin her with sanctions?" (syndicated column, 9/17/89)


Buchanan was vehement in pushing President Reagan -- despite protests -- to visit Germany's Bitburg cemetery, where Nazi SS troops were buried. At a White House meeting, Buchanan reportedly reminded Jewish leaders that they were "Americans first" -- and repeatedly scrawled the phrase "Succumbing to the pressure of the Jews" in his notebook. Buchanan was credited with crafting Ronald Reagan's line that the SS troops buried at Bitburg were "victims just as surely as the victims in the concentration camps." (New York Times, 5/16/85; New Republic, 1/22/96)


"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)

"The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the Beginning, p. 149)

"If a woman has come to believe that divorce is the answer to every difficult marriage, that career comes before children ... no democratic government can impose another set of values upon her." (Right from the Beginning, p. 341)

In a column sympathetic to ex-Klansman David Duke, Buchanan chided the Republican Party for overreacting to Duke and his Nazi "costume": "Take a hard look at Duke's portfolio of winning issues and expropriate those not in conflict with GOP principles, [such as] reverse discrimination against white folks." (syndicated column, 2/25/89)

Oh wait. Buchanan's a far right conservative, isn't he?


-Kerry O.

motowndowntown's photo
Tue 04/13/10 06:57 PM
I believe war was not declared with Germany until AFTER Peal Harbor.

EquusDancer's photo
Wed 04/14/10 02:00 AM
It's funny that hunters scream about population control to keep deer and hogs in line, but don't seem to turn around and look at humans and the havoc we are causing.

I don't care what anyone says, but a woman has the right to CHOOSE what she wants to do with her body. Maybe if the guys who were against any form of choice actually discussed it with women before they screwed them, they'd do a better job of finding out, and one would think, not have sex with them.

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Wed 04/14/10 07:51 AM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Wed 04/14/10 08:32 AM

It's funny that hunters scream about population control to keep deer and hogs in line, but don't seem to turn around and look at humans and the havoc we are causing.

I don't care what anyone says, but a woman has the right to CHOOSE what she wants to do with her body. Maybe if the guys who were against any form of choice actually discussed it with women before they screwed them, they'd do a better job of finding out, and one would think, not have sex with them.


So you, umm, equate people with deer and hogs now ... ? There's no other way to interpret your words, y' know. Nice of you to tell us what you really think. Next time you see a pregnant woman, are you gonna think of her as the result of a 'buck in rut' session? Or is she getting ready to drop another little 'piglet' ... ? We're all just another animal in your world, ain't we ... ? Thanks for the heads-up. Oh - there's one other reason for not having sex with certain women, too: ATTITUDE.


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Wed 04/14/10 08:27 AM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Wed 04/14/10 08:30 AM


When I began looking into the history of American progressives I came across some disturbing facts..


Well, then-- let's look at some quotes from that great American Progressive, Pat Buchanan, shall we?

< snip >

"Rail as they will about 'discrimination,' women are simply not endowed by nature with the same measures of single-minded ambition and the will to succeed in the fiercely competitive world of Western capitalism." (syndicated column, 11/22/83)

"The real liberators of American women were not the feminist noise-makers, they were the automobile, the supermarket, the shopping center, the dishwasher, the washer-dryer, the freezer." (Right from the Beginning, p. 149)

"If a woman has come to believe that divorce is the answer to every difficult marriage, that career comes before children ... no democratic government can impose another set of values upon her." (Right from the Beginning, p. 341)

-Kerry O.


Ummmm ... It'd be REAL interesting to know if any of these people have watched the nutcutting MIstress of Malice - that's right, Nancy Pelossini - as she singlemindedly shredded not only our Constitutional process and procedures during the 'deathcare' passage, but simultaneously ignored the fact that another point of view even existed. She is quite ready to be ranked with Lucretia Borgia and the best of the Medicis. Her 'husband' (well, that's one word for him) knows better than to EVER contemplate divorcing her. He'd be Vince Foster Nr. 2 ...

Miz Pelossini and her cohorts (including Miz Clinton, etc) have done a wonderful job of assisting 'The ONE' in his quest to do away with our middle class and Constitutional Republic form of government. That's NOT something that could be said about Pat Buchanan - or any other conservative. Nice attempt to mislead by trying to classify Buchanan as a 'progressive', tho' ... That title's reserved for you little kidlets on the Leninist Left ...


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Wed 04/14/10 03:56 PM
Pat Buchanan a "Progressive"? laugh

heavenlyboy34's photo
Wed 04/14/10 04:03 PM




Oh wait. Buchanan's a far right conservative, isn't he?


-Kerry O.


Actually, Pat's not a conservative. He's been interviewed by people like Lew Rockwell and in them he excoriated the conservatives (and rightfully so). Also, check out his book on WWII which condemned the war-which is the conservatives' favorite modern war to reminisce about. He calls himself conservative sometimes, but he doesn't seem to fit the mold. (not that I'm a particular fan of his, but he does a good job slamming neocons)

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Wed 04/14/10 05:42 PM

Nice attempt to mislead by trying to classify Buchanan as a 'progressive', tho' ... That title's reserved for you little kidlets on the Leninist Left ...



My mistake. I surely would have thought that someone like yourself who fancies himeself as being the King of Sarcasm would have had known the difference between someone being ironical as opposed to someone propagandizing with a defective dataset.

But I guess you were too busy dreaming up the Grand Insult to pay attention to the line "Oh wait..." that would have given up "What's really going on here."

Or maybe you just had the monocle in the wrong eye when you read the post, Herr Knight?

Oh, and please do something about that Botoxed-On Ultra Conservative Sneer, willya' ? It's really no more becoming than the fathomless arrogance of which you accuse the democratically elected people who run the country.

-Kerry O.

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Wed 04/14/10 05:44 PM


Nice attempt to mislead by trying to classify Buchanan as a 'progressive', tho' ... That title's reserved for you little kidlets on the Leninist Left ...



My mistake. I surely would have thought that someone like yourself who fancies himeself as being the King of Sarcasm would have had known the difference between someone being ironical as opposed to someone propagandizing with a defective dataset.

But I guess you were too busy dreaming up the Grand Insult to pay attention to the line "Oh wait..." that would have given up "What's really going on here."

Or maybe you just had the monocle in the wrong eye when you read the post, Herr Knight?

Oh, and please do something about that Botoxed-On Ultra Conservative Sneer, willya' ? It's really no more becoming than the fathomless arrogance of which you accuse the democratically elected people who run the country.

-Kerry O.



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Wed 04/14/10 09:48 PM


Nice attempt to mislead by trying to classify Buchanan as a 'progressive', tho' ... That title's reserved for you little kidlets on the Leninist Left ...



My mistake. I surely would have thought that someone like yourself who fancies himeself as being the King of Sarcasm would have had known the difference between someone being ironical as opposed to someone propagandizing with a defective dataset.

But I guess you were too busy dreaming up the Grand Insult to pay attention to the line "Oh wait..." that would have given up "What's really going on here."

Or maybe you just had the monocle in the wrong eye when you read the post, Herr Knight?

Oh, and please do something about that Botoxed-On Ultra Conservative Sneer, willya' ? It's really no more becoming than the fathomless arrogance of which you accuse the democratically elected people who run the country.

-Kerry O.

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Wed 04/14/10 09:50 PM
Nice to know that there r some smart people on this sight.

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Wed 04/14/10 09:54 PM
Edited by Kings_Knight on Wed 04/14/10 10:07 PM



Nice attempt to mislead by trying to classify Buchanan as a 'progressive', tho' ... That title's reserved for you little kidlets on the Leninist Left ...



My mistake. I surely would have thought that someone like yourself who fancies himeself as being the King of Sarcasm would have had known the difference between someone being ironical as opposed to someone propagandizing with a defective dataset.

But I guess you were too busy dreaming up the Grand Insult to pay attention to the line "Oh wait..." that would have given up "What's really going on here."

Or maybe you just had the monocle in the wrong eye when you read the post, Herr Knight?

Oh, and please do something about that Botoxed-On Ultra Conservative Sneer, willya' ? It's really no more becoming than the fathomless arrogance of which you accuse the democratically elected people who run the country.

-Kerry O.



Wow. I'm ... umm ... 'impressed'. Yeah - I think that's the word I wanna use. Whatever ... now that you've proved you can capitalize words and use a thesaurus, what else ya got? It certainly ain't brainpower ... You're mighty thin on humor, too ... btw, since the term 'knight' is largely an English concept (the German form is 'knecht' - it's what we literate people know as a 'cognate' word), you may address me as 'SIR Knight' ... Got it?

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Wed 04/14/10 10:06 PM

Nice to know that there r some smart people on this sight.


There are a few, but we're in the vast minority. smokin

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Wed 04/14/10 11:44 PM


It's funny that hunters scream about population control to keep deer and hogs in line, but don't seem to turn around and look at humans and the havoc we are causing.

I don't care what anyone says, but a woman has the right to CHOOSE what she wants to do with her body. Maybe if the guys who were against any form of choice actually discussed it with women before they screwed them, they'd do a better job of finding out, and one would think, not have sex with them.


So you, umm, equate people with deer and hogs now ... ? There's no other way to interpret your words, y' know. Nice of you to tell us what you really think. Next time you see a pregnant woman, are you gonna think of her as the result of a 'buck in rut' session? Or is she getting ready to drop another little 'piglet' ... ? We're all just another animal in your world, ain't we ... ? Thanks for the heads-up. Oh - there's one other reason for not having sex with certain women, too: ATTITUDE.




Actually, I thought it was pretty simple.

How dare we presume to control another species' population, when we can't or won't control our own.

And yes, we're all animals - mammals in the case of humans, deer and hogs.

And unfortunately, the people I know having kids are insulting to the animals, human and otherwise, who have had babies for millenia now. I'm quite frankly amazed at the need for attention that these people are playing for. But that's a whole other issue.

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Thu 04/15/10 01:29 AM
why does the politics thread seem to have so much paranoia and name calling?

commies, and terrorists, and liberals, OH MY!!

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Thu 04/15/10 03:00 AM

why does the politics thread seem to have so much paranoia and name calling?

commies, and terrorists, and liberals, OH MY!!


because that's all the 'Right' has....cheap third grade insults...maybe it's from listening to too much michael weiner aka savage

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Thu 04/15/10 11:03 AM
When you are unable to reason, you stoop to name calling.

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Thu 04/15/10 03:33 PM
I am beginning to understand why civility in American politics has taken a downward spiral lately.

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Thu 04/15/10 06:03 PM
Edited by msharmony on Thu 04/15/10 06:04 PM

I am beginning to understand why civility in American politics has taken a downward spiral lately.



I wonder which came first,, the negative COMMENTARY or the negative attitudes..

you know they say,, if you tell a child long enough that they wont ever be anything,, they start to fulfill that prediction

perhaps the same is true with society at large, we have FAR too much of a saturation of violence, sex and negative media .. I wonder what would happen if we at least BALANCED it with positivity , responsibility, and hope,,,(shrugs)

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