Frankly our getting involved was illegal. It was never our business what Saddam ever did, and if we wanted to, Afganistan would have been over that first year.

Something is fishy, we don't seem want to win any one of these wars we have fought. Korea, Vietnam, etc, were all totally winable.

Don't get me wrong, the soldiers over there have done great things for these countries. They served well. But the fault does not lie with them. It is our aristocracy that needs to answer. They need to be humbled and shown they aren't in charge (As Thomas Jefferson would put it.)

Back to the post, I think talking about what our soldiers are doing (wrong or not) is taking the attention away from those who are guilty. This is why it's illogical, and hypocritical to use actions our soldiers take as ammo when combating the war itself.

Our getting involved wasn't. It wa for the protection of our country from a man that aided and provided training and financial support to terrorists not to mention committed major crimes against humanity.

We don't want to win? That's just sick. We are fighting an enemy like we have never had to fight before. These are people who have been brainwahsed by a cult like religion and are promised if they die for the cause that they get lots of virgins and little boys.

you must be talking about the vatican.

Our getting involved WAS when it came to Iraq. But that is besides our case.

Once again, don't get me wrong, I don't sympathize with anyone trying to blow up civilians. But one thing it would be wise to consider is the fact that in most cases, niether side of a war is evil, and only those victorious get to write history.

I have spent some time on the front lines in this war. There are a few religious extremists against us, but for the most part, even 9/11 was provoked by our foreign policy, not because we are prosperious or have a different religion, but because we are an empire, trying to run the world. Do i think those responsible for 9/11 deserve a bullet in their head? Absolutely. In fact they deserve a whole lot worse. But, Iraq had nothing to do with it. And i think, we as a country need to revisit what the role of our government should be. Should we police the world? Or should we take care of our own? Should we continue to build an empire? Or should we focus on the liberties that we were intented to have, and are so quickly diminishing?

Bigger issues. Issues that the original post about a random act soldiers made, can't even hold a candle to.

Also, if you check your history, (like Bestinshow said) Christianity has killed millions. So religious extremists are no new thing for anyone.


Furthermore, YES we don't want to win. Well, no the ones in charge anyway. Example: Look at our rulse of engagement. Once again, i was frontlines in places like Mosul Sadre City and Baghdad. We actually weren't allowed to fire back at someone shooting at us from a Mosque. Didn't know our soldiers were putting up with orders like THAT did ya?

And, you cannot win the type of "war" we are fighting. Iraq can screw itself, and we aren't making any progress in Afghanistan. I say, pull the plug, (that goes for all 130 countries U.S. forces are now occupying), sell the bases back to respective countries, build up our defenses (maybe even pay off some of this national debt). Next time someone brings the fight to us, we handle the job right from the start. No more hearts and minds, no more "picking" at our enemies.

Oh YES let's believe a little-known anti-American web site and you-tube to find out what's REALLY going on over there. Give me a break. I bet you libs have daisies over each of your ears.

I think all the terrorist need to get together,head to Mecca,and sit their dumb butts down on that big white rock.The United states can find the largest atomic bomb they have and drop it right in the middle of Mecca.All the terrorist can die as martyrs(they highest honor)in one big ball of flame.Everyone is happy.

i dont see you enlisting

More right wing chickenhawks

wikileaks Raised >$150K in donations since Mon. Its warms my heart to see real journalism being rewarded by donations by individuals and not corperations. Keep on rocking wikileaks.

U.S. Soldiers From Wikileaks ‘Collateral Murder’ Video Apologize

VETERANS OF "WIKILEAKS" INCIDENT ANNOUNCE
"LETTER OF RECONCILIATION" TO IRAQIS INJURED IN ATTACK
April 18, 2010 Two former soldiers from the Army unit responsible for the Wikileaks "Collateral Murder" incident have written an open-letter of "Reconciliation and Responsibility" to those injured in the July 2007 attack, in which U.S. forces wounded two children and killed over a dozen people, including the father of those children and two Reuters employees.

Ethan Mccord and Josh Stieber deployed to Baghdad with Bravo Company 2-16 in 2007. Ethan was on the ground at the scene of the shooting, and is seen on the video rushing one of the injured children to a U.S. Vehicle; "When I saw those kids, all I could picture was my kids back home". Ethan applied for mental health support following this incident and was denied by his commanding officer.

Josh Stieber was not at the scene of the shooting but says similar incidents happened throughout his 14-month tour; "The acts depicted in this video are everyday occurrences of this war."
 Josh states that these casualties demonstrate the impact of U.S. military policy on both the civilians and the soldiers on the ground.

Ethan and Josh claim that though their unit was following the Rules of Engagement that day, they are taking responsibility for their role in the incident and initiating a dialogue around it; "Though we have acted with cold hearts far too many times, we have not forgotten our actions towards you. Our heavy hearts still hold hope that we can restore inside our country the acknowledgment of your humanity, that we were taught to deny."

The letter, which they hope to get to the family who lost their father and whose children were injured in the attack, states that they "are acknowledging our responsibility for bringing the battle to your neighborhood, and to your family. We did unto you what we would not want done to us."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25241.htm

War is hell, profitable for some and another way to help eliminate some of the over-population problem.

Anyone hanging out with terrorists are at the least, guilty of knowing they were terrorist and not reporting them.

Tell me why they are terrorsits when we invaded and occupied their country ?

Is there some terrorist blog I can check daily to make sure none of my friends or acquaintances are on the list? How are we supposed to KNOW? And if we do KNOW they are on the list but also KNOW they are innocent,,,is our allegiance to those who want to crucify them on false premises,, or to our loved one who has done nothing wrong?

Its really not such a black and white issue, and life should be considered precious (whatever labels other place on that life).
Taking of life that isnt in self defense should never be so widely and easily accepted,, its a sad mentality.

This is one thing I agree with you on. It's a stupid, unjustifiable war.